Don't lump evildoers in with Muslims - We must be better than that

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Apr 20, 2013
 
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>Christianity grew up hundreds of years ago. Islam has never left the 7th century. It is a death cult and must be treated as a threat to the security of this, and every other Western nation.
The moral teachings of Christianity are basically the same, all major issues were over leadership roles and claims regarding Sola Scriptura/Tradition.

As to Islam, the teachings on morals are again basically the same. Jihad is one of those morals, and it means expanding Dar Al Islam against Dar al Harb.

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Damn, you really are that dense.
"Suicide of a Superpower"
That's you.
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You know as well as I do, that if this was an RWE attack, that you would be screaming up and down on one or more of these
-Theocracy
-Fascism
-KKKrazy glue
-Big Sis save me!!!
Your clients did this attack, the fourth of the Occupation
-Underwear bomber (system worked)
-Maj. Hassan
-Times Square
-Checheans
Not to mention those Occufilth busted trying to take down a bridge in Northeast Ohio.
In contrast we have
-An alleged 'militia' in Michigan which resulted in most charges being dropped
-Some 60 year olds in Georgia busted for trying to make ricin
(While another D was arrested a few days ago who actually made ricin)
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Or like how there was far more fear spread over an abortion doctor shot in Kansas, than an abortion doctor in Pennsylvania killing dozens of born alive babies.
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You idiot progressives keep defending Islam, the real life equivalent of every one of your moronic fears of the true America, the conservative base. Islam is actual misogyny, actual violence, and actually does want to impose theocracy. This isn't fringe people, it's political parties in most of the Islamic world.
I don't have "clients." I do not subscribe to any group in that sense. There are far more incidents of right-wing extremism than the three you mentioned. And in a historic sense, religious extremism has existed for centuries and has existed in Christianity as well.

If Islam as a whole were really so terrible, why are there not more terrorists? Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, meaning more than a billion people identify as Muslims. Yet, we do not have billions of terrorists. What we have are extremists who take parts of their religion and use it to justify their own psychopathic actions. The same goes for Christians or Jews or any other religions that have violence in their history.

I haven't seen any group supporting Gosnell. I guess perhaps the reason there is less fear of a man such as himself is because he was not going into people's homes or churches and picking up babies and killing them. People who shoot up abortion clinics approach those places. I do not condone Gosnell. I also don't condone people who shoot doctors at abortion clinics.

An argument could be made that there are many in this country who want a theocracy. That will never happen, but that doesn't mean the fight isn't there each and every day. Textually, there is as much misogyny and violence in the Christian religion as there is in Islam. After all, the bible says that all non-believers will burn in hell and suffer for all eternity. What is that if not violent?

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Apr 20, 2013
 
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Old data
Not sure how it can be old if it's a summary of violence between 1980 and 2005 or whatever the year was. Those incidents didn't all of a sudden not happen.

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Apr 21, 2013
 
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<quoted text>Their entire filthy book is a call to murder. Islam is not compatible with the US Constitution. ALL non-citizen Muslims need to be rounded up and deported.
There are parts of the Christian bible that condone violence. Sometimes horrific violence. Most Christians disregard those parts of the bible. Most Muslims disregard those same types of passages in their own religious book. Their entire book is not a call to murder. Most holy scriptures are filled with stories of war and bloodshed. There are a lot of parts of the Koran that call for peace and love. There are a lot of parts of the Bible that call for peace and love.

But in all honesty, I defend neither religion. People who want to justify their actions are going to find passages in these books to do just that.

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<quoted text>Christianity grew up hundreds of years ago. Islam has never left the 7th century. It is a death cult and must be treated as a threat to the security of this, and every other Western nation.
For some it has. For others it hasn't. Anyone who kills in the name of God is using their religion to justify their actions. Anyone who kills because they are inspired by some religious notion of good vs. evil is also using their religion to justify their actions. As I said, I defend neither religion. But obviously not all Muslims are bad people or else we'd have a billion terrorists to fight against. We do not. Don't mistake me for saying extremists shouldn't be dealt with. They should. Definitely. But I know people who are Muslim and they aren't any different than you. They are lawyers, doctors, teachers, writers, editors, and Kroger store managers. They don't live their lives any differently than you or I do.

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If Islam as a whole were really so terrible, why are there not more terrorists? Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, meaning more than a billion people identify as Muslims. Yet, we do not have billions of terrorists.

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Textually, there is as much misogyny and violence in the Christian religion as there is in Islam. After all, the bible says that all non-believers will burn in hell and suffer for all eternity. What is that if not violent?
If Islam isn't that terrible, name us a Muslim country you would tolerate living in.

Without oil, they would still be humping goats in the tents, or killing each other on a larger scale as they do in countries without substantial oil cash.

Christianity is against divorce, allowing for only in case of adultery. Islam lets a man get a divorce by saying "I dismiss thee" three times. A woman can't do that.

There is no order in Christianity about a woman's testimony have less value in court, though it says little about courts. Not sure what Roman laws say about it, but I imagine they are nicer than Sharia.

"Vengence is mine, sayeth the Lord"

{{The recompense for an evil is an evil like thereof; but whoever forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is with Allāh. Verily, He likes not the Zālimūn (oppressors, polytheists, and wrong-doers). And indeed whosoever takes revenge after he has suffered wrong, for such there is no way (of blame) against them.}}

[Sura 42:40]

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I recall that the most was caused by Communism, presumably the Mongol conquests second.
Neither Abrahamic.
There is one example of large scale Christian violence, and it was self defense against hundreds of years of Islamic aggression.
Funny, I don't see you as a raving anti-Communist
Even Bill Maher just proved "Broken Clock is right twice a day" when he said Islam is uniquely violent.
Personally, I think all religions are violent or at least have the foundation to be so. I'm an atheist myself. I'm very much in the camp of "leave me alone and just do what's right."

I totally agree with all of you concerning those Muslims who pervert their religion and use it to be complete psychopaths. I watched "The Stoning of Soraya M." (may be misspelled...don't feel like looking it up). It was a traumatic film to watch. My only argument is that just because these a**holes did what they did does not mean all Muslims are bad people or should be subjected to revenge. Some of you take that as defending Islam. I'm not defending it any more than I defend Christianity. But I do defend my friends who are Muslim and who are good people. Just as I defend my Christian and Jewish friends who are good people.

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An argument could be made that there are many in this country who want a theocracy. That will never happen, but that doesn't mean the fight isn't there each and every day.
We've had two or three examples of actual theocratic government in this land's history, Early Utah, the Puritans Massachusetts Bay Colony, and the established Anglican church in Colonial Virginia.

Comparitively, neither was that bad historically.

In the Christian tradition, only two schools of thought advocate direct imposition of ecclesiastical law, Dominionism and Reconstructionism.

Neither form of Calvinsim is beyond five figures of adherents, there are more Sovereign Citizen fringed flag people.

The recent bill in NC labeled as trying to establish a state church was not actually that, it was a resolution to question SCOTUS decisions on the establishment clause relating to prayers (voluntary) before county board meetings and in schools.

I generally am against all non binding resolutions.

Now, while the sovereigns have some history of violence and get a DHS anal probe as a result, the Dominionists are a generally boring group, unlike their Sharia supporting rivals.

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<quoted text>And exactly how many Americans have been killed by your boogeymen in the past 20 years? At last count, it was roughly 178, IF you count McVeigh (168), who may have had Muslim assistance.
In the same time frame, over 3000 Americans have been killed by Muslims in this country.
If you take every instance of right-wing extremism and count them up, I'm sure the number is higher than you think.

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If Islam isn't that terrible, name us a Muslim country you would tolerate living in.
Without oil, they would still be humping goats in the tents, or killing each other on a larger scale as they do in countries without substantial oil cash.
Christianity is against divorce, allowing for only in case of adultery. Islam lets a man get a divorce by saying "I dismiss thee" three times. A woman can't do that.
There is no order in Christianity about a woman's testimony have less value in court, though it says little about courts. Not sure what Roman laws say about it, but I imagine they are nicer than Sharia.
"Vengence is mine, sayeth the Lord"
{{The recompense for an evil is an evil like thereof; but whoever forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is with Allāh. Verily, He likes not the Zālimūn (oppressors, polytheists, and wrong-doers). And indeed whosoever takes revenge after he has suffered wrong, for such there is no way (of blame) against them.}}
[Sura 42:40]
I almost moved to Kuwait last year when my boyfriend took a job there. I researched it, we talked to people who had lived there or were currently living there and while it would have been an adjustment, I don't think I would have minded it. It would have been illegal for me to live with my boyfriend there, but we were sent a booklet of "rules" so-to-speak. Dressing conservatively (according to their standards) probably would have been the biggest issue for me.

Even before oil, Islamic countries were successful at many things. Their countries do have extremes in poverty, but seemingly not any different than many of the countries in Africa.

There are many passages that allude to women being inferior. I'm not going to sit here and swap passages back and forth, but Deuteronomy 22:21 condones women being stoned to death. Now, obviously it's not something most if not all Christians abide by, but it's in the bible all the same. Women in general are the inferior sex in the entire bible.

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We've had two or three examples of actual theocratic government in this land's history, Early Utah, the Puritans Massachusetts Bay Colony, and the established Anglican church in Colonial Virginia.
Comparitively, neither was that bad historically.
In the Christian tradition, only two schools of thought advocate direct imposition of ecclesiastical law, Dominionism and Reconstructionism.
Neither form of Calvinsim is beyond five figures of adherents, there are more Sovereign Citizen fringed flag people.
The recent bill in NC labeled as trying to establish a state church was not actually that, it was a resolution to question SCOTUS decisions on the establishment clause relating to prayers (voluntary) before county board meetings and in schools.
I generally am against all non binding resolutions.
Now, while the sovereigns have some history of violence and get a DHS anal probe as a result, the Dominionists are a generally boring group, unlike their Sharia supporting rivals.
Hmm, I think those killed during the Salem Witch Trials would disagree with you.

As I said, I do not fear theocracy in this country. It will never happen. BUT, with every person who screams "put god back in school!" and "keep the 10 commandments in the state building!" the war continues. I'm sure you know there are those out there who claim this country was founded as a "Christian" nation. Enough said in my opinion.

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Apr 21, 2013
 
On that note, I'm going to bed.

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Even before oil, Islamic countries were successful at many things.
War, and claiming credit for the discoveries of others.

Since Hugleu sacked Baghdad and the march of conquest ceased, they haven't achieved much.
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He seems like a good man by all accounts. Because these men happen to be Muslims, doesn't mean all Muslims are bad. Yes, many people do have sense enough to realize that the actions of a few are not indicative of entire culture.
All Muslims aren't terrorists, but 99.99% of terrorists are Muslims. The Koran teaches the killing of infidels (all non-Muslims are infidels).

All pit bulls don't bite people, but the majority of deaths by dogs are by pit bulls.

All Blacks aren't murderers but young Black Males commit the majority of murders in our nation, over 50% while Blacks are 14% of the population.

Locally a Somali Muslim named Nuradin Abdi planned to commit a terror act against a local mall but he was stopped in time and recently was deported back to Africa.

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Mpnf1979 wrote:
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/ 2013/04/20/my-take-dont-lump-e vildoers-with-muslims/?hpt=hp_ t4
Racism, xenophobia and anti-religious hatred of any kind goes against the core values of equality and freedom that our country is founded upon, regardless of who is carrying it out or who it is being carried out against.
It is not OK to target innocent people just because they are Muslim. Since Monday, there have already been two hate crimes reported, one targeting an Arab, female doctor in Boston and a second targeting a Bengali man in the Bronx. How is it OK to inflict violence and hate toward individuals simply because of the way they look or their religious affiliation? And even if we are not perpetrating it, how is it OK for us to sit by and let it happen?
Simply put, it's not. We must be better than that.
There is blood in the streets of Boston due to people like you who give support to the enemies of freedom who want to impose Sharia and establish world wide Muslim Rule.

You need to shut up before you are forced to wear a burka. This is already happening in Europe where women are raped for not wearing a head covering in Oslo, Norway. The ugly face of Islam has been exposed and people are not going to take it anymore.

Islam requires that we submit to Sharia Law or fight back, I chose to fight.

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Mpnf1979 wrote:
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/ 2013/04/20/my-take-dont-lump-e vildoers-with-muslims/?hpt=hp_ t4
Racism, xenophobia and anti-religious hatred of any kind goes against the core values of equality and freedom that our country is founded upon, regardless of who is carrying it out or who it is being carried out against.
It is not OK to target innocent people just because they are Muslim. Since Monday, there have already been two hate crimes reported, one targeting an Arab, female doctor in Boston and a second targeting a Bengali man in the Bronx. How is it OK to inflict violence and hate toward individuals simply because of the way they look or their religious affiliation? And even if we are not perpetrating it, how is it OK for us to sit by and let it happen?
Simply put, it's not. We must be better than that.
Oslo Rape Epidemic
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Its time to say HELL NO to Muslim immigration. We will not be intimidated any longer by these terrorists.
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Because these men happen to be Muslims, doesn't mean all Muslims are bad. Yes, many people do have sense enough to realize that the actions of a few are not indicative of entire culture.
History proves you a sap. To wit: There were many Germans who were peaceful, loving to mankind, opposed to wars of conquest and genocide that did nothing to stop Hitler. Their good intentions were not enough. Same and tripled for the good Russian who didn't or wouldn't put an end to Lenin and then Stalin. Triple that for the good Chinese that were rolled by Mao. Evil is not countered by huddling among the timid, though well-intentioned. Evil is fought and exterminated by confronting it with the imperative of exacting upon it more violence than it is able to exert upon its foe. In short kill evil or it kills you. Now, take your platitudes and your multicultural blinders and cower while you try to figure out just how much evil is acceptable to your delusions.

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He seems like a good man by all accounts. Because these men happen to be Muslims, doesn't mean all Muslims are bad. Yes, many people do have sense enough to realize that the actions of a few are not indicative of entire culture.
Then don't you think its time for the peace loving muslims of the world to come together and put a stop to this insanity? Or are there any truly peaceful muslims?
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Then don't you think its time for the peace loving muslims of the world to come together and put a stop to this insanity? Or are there any truly peaceful muslims?
Sounds great!

And how do you propose they do that, considering peace-loving Christians seem to have no effect on militant Christians?

Or are there any truly peaceful Christians?

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