Xenos Christian Fellowship is a CULT!
Mike N

Columbus, OH

#730 Feb 25, 2014
Part 3

The rebellious Dennis McCallum preaches pharisaic rebellion against parents and always has. His Baptist minister father tried to give central Ohio a heads-up to that reality but his warning was largely ignored as Dennis’ devotees continue to drink the Kool Aid. What a scandal that so many Xenos adults just look the other way as this cult abuses young people (even their own children!) just trying to find their way. It is shocking that these adults have never developed the spiritual maturity to be good Bereans, comparing the abusive, arrogant, cultic behavior of their maximum leader to the clear directives of Scripture for a true under-shepherd of Jesus Christ. These adults may pride themselves on their connection to hip, elitist, licentious McCallumism, perhaps even congratulating themselves, like the Pharisees, at their supposed spiritual progress. Go ahead and clink your wine glasses my friends as you betray the Christian faith and unsuspecting children.
Dennis encourages young adults to throw their parents an occasional bone by occasionally visiting them. That is only to keep up the pretense that they are somehow honoring them. This is mostly to keep the money flowing toward the so-called "ministry" house. Otherwise, any honor or help these kids could give their parents is, in fact, "Corban", given to God (in the first century, that likely meant first allegiance to the Pharisees and pharisaic coffers. In this case, it means first allegiance to Dennis McCallum’s Xenos methodologies and coffers).
Think I am overstating the case here? Ask the mother in Akron. Ask the innumerable parents who have been stunned and dismayed at the sudden emotional distance between them and their child after Xenos has had at him for a while. Ask the parents who have had their Christian faith suddenly ridiculed as inadequate and unspiritual compared to pharisaic McCallumism. Ask the parents whose child has suddenly dropped out of school or become unavailable to many if not most family functions because of the demands of the ever-accelerating Xenos "discipleship" treadmill. Ask the parents whose kid's grades have started to dramatically slide as their child attempts to cut academic corners in order to make Xenos meetings and various "discipleship" requirements. Ask the parents whose child has suddenly and inexplicably demanded to drop or change majors, leave a non-Xenos-approved college, or otherwise abort lifelong goals. Ask the parents who have watched their child's bank account and college funds get gobbled up by Dennis McCallum's mandatory (and now automatically deducted online) tithing and "ministry" house expenses/partying. Dennis counsels rebellion against parents for, as his own Baptist minister father has observed, Xenos is "the church of rebellion".

Since: Dec 13

Norwich, OH

#731 Feb 25, 2014
Mike N wrote:
Part 1
My apologies to UberGenius. I am becoming more verbose than he. I feel compelled to further expose this cult for what it is that perhaps God will cause McCallumism to slink back into the shadows from which it sprang.
Four things:
- You are in trouble if your are more verbose than I am;

- If you go back to my original post #589 you will find that I have made similar claims about problems stemming from leadership (Sr. Pastor).

- You are spot on that Licentiousness is just the other side of the coin of Legalism and that grace doesn't share attribute of either malady.

- Finally, we will disagree as to whether Xenos is a cult or not but I was not trying to offend you or diminish the value of your ideas by mentioning that you have been deeply wounded in my earlier post. My comments were meant to serve as a warning that Xenos can be a very dangerous place with real consequences. Please forgive any unintended slight.

Uber

Since: Dec 13

Norwich, OH

#732 Feb 25, 2014
Cbus wrote:
<quoted text>
Seriously? "Sight?" You mean "site" right?
On my original post I said "Clearly there are some individuals that have not interacted with the NT on this site."

Don't understand your post. I wrote "site" and you are saying you READ "sight" and asking me to correct it to "site"? Seems like a reading problem here.

I have numerous typos and yes even some misspelled words and grammatical errors in my posts. Do you know what "Stream of consciousness" is? Most of my post are written in a matter of 1 or 2 mins. My most common errors are "there" instead of "their" or "they're" or "were" instead of "we're".But this was a post where I actually got it right? or rite? or maybe write?

This type of criticism where you misrepresent the authors work and then attack the misrepresentation is best left to spouses.

Just kidding. Have read and enjoyed your comments in the past Cbus and am having fun at your expense.

Please feel free to comment on the ridiculous nature of my original post on stewardship as many, or perhaps just one person logging in under several accounts, seem to think it is nuts.

Since: Dec 13

Norwich, OH

#733 Feb 25, 2014
Svetlana wrote:
I should notice they were NEVER Anti-Semitic and didn't teach that Jews never suffered from holocaust.
But still I find many strange issues among them. Love bombing? what a term, really. It was when they were doing to me as well.
I am in a difficult state right now, being embarrased and frightened.
I have a mental disorder (phobias) and McCallum wrote in his book "Spiritual Relationships that Last" that people like me are hardly fit for christian marriage, he also teaches in this book that survivors of incest should forgive their abuser and maintain relations with him, which is totally devastating. I am myself a survivor of child sexual abuse and feel totally degraded by his thoughts. Who is he to judge? He is touching upon the area he has no idea about and he does not think how hurtful his words may sound.
Svetlana,

Your comments were very moving. Buck McCallum (Dennis's younger brother) started a church in Russia back in the 1990s that may be the same Xenos you have attended. Buck was a great guy and I was sorry see him pass. That said, I would highly advise throwing Dennis's book in the trash. Different Christian churches have different strengths. Counseling people with the profound abuse your have had is far from Xenos' capability historically.

People that have suffered childhood abuse have biochemical, emotional and spiritual damage that can take significant time to heal. While there is biblical support for forgiving these individuals (for your benefit not theirs), there is no reason you should remain in relationship with them at all.

Finally, marriage always seems to exasperate emotional problems (at least in my life). If you are not married you might want to get some counseling. The wounds are deep and will make it difficult to trust or even bond with a spouse at all without healing. But saying that people shouldn't get married is absurd. My wife has two friends that have a similar story of abuse as yours. Both have been married for over 20 years and they have 6 kids between the two families, and are as happy as any married couple.
lucy

Columbus, OH

#734 Feb 25, 2014
Concerned Parent wrote:
My daughter began attending Xenos Christian Fellowship in Columbus Ohio after one of her friends at school invited her. The church service was called a 'Central Teaching', & at this meeting the members taught my daughter that Jewish people are sinners & that the holocaust did not take place! I am extremely disgusted with what this so called Christian church is teaching to young people under the guise of being a bible centered church. I am seeking legal counsel to find out what legal recourse I have. Have any of you had anything like this occur? Please post if you know anything about this church.
I do attend xenos, every teaching is recorded and available if you want to review what was taught. I have never heard in my experience for 4 years of any one people group isolated as the only sinners, we all are. Jesus death was payment for all of us and our sins. I would be really suprised if the holocaust was denied in a xenos sermon... I could not attend a church that denied any historically proven, documented event, especially the holocaust. Xenos' doctrine has been proven to me as sound and directly bible based. I encourage you to inquire with xenos regarding your concerns. I ask a ton of questions and am not easily convinced... All my challenges posed to xenos leaders have been answered and I am happily still involved.
lucy

Columbus, OH

#735 Feb 25, 2014
Regarding we are under grace...free from law...do I read that you interpret that as xenos folks are free to break the 10 commandments b/c we are saved? If so, I think you have misunderstood the message. Download the 2/23/2014 4th street teaching by Gary Delashmutt or obtain a cd copy from xenos. Gary addresses this topic and explains.
Committed Xenos member

Westerville, OH

#736 Feb 27, 2014
Emily Fravel wrote:
Xenos most surely exhibits cult-like behavior and while you may not hear such things in a teaching, you can expect to hear a hatred of other faiths, though the biggie is Catholicism.
They do in fact recruit and segregate. They seek to control college aged students especially through their dating relationships. This "Kim" can try to deny it, but I've experienced it myself.
To "Concerned Parent" you are right to be concerned. Knowing What IS know about Xenos, They are already teaching your daughter how to debate your objections. Forbidding her is likely to push her further in. I would ask her to be very careful and to pay VERY close attention to how They talk about anyone who leaves. The Xenos way is to talk about how sinful that person was. There is gossip and rumors when someone leaves. They like to say that someone has walked away from God.
Dennis McCallum is only about two cars short of the crazy train. If you look it up more, you will see that he always places the blame on those who have spoken out against Xenos. You will not find a single instance of him apolgizing for pain experienced at Xenos.
Feel free "Concerned Parent" to contact me via facebook if you'd like to discuss this more. Mine is the profile with two little boys. I'm not afraid of fallout.
I have had my doubts about dating in Xenos, take a look at scripture. 2 cor 6:14 "do not yoke yourselves to unbelievers" if following scripture makes a church a cult, then have fun at your fake church..
UberGenius

Norwich, OH

#737 Feb 27, 2014
Committed Xenos member wrote:
<quoted text>
I have had my doubts about dating in Xenos, take a look at scripture. 2 cor 6:14 "do not yoke yourselves to unbelievers" if following scripture makes a church a cult, then have fun at your fake church..
Committed,

You didn't represent Emily's argument accurately. She is talking about the controlling behaviors many people have experienced in the Xenos culture,(i.e. gossip, slander, temper tantrums and ostracizing)!! When you read into someone's comments and extend them ( suggesting that her claim is Xenos is a cult because they frown on dating nonchristians)and attack that extension with the generalization "if following scripture makes a church a cult" you engage in fallacious reasoning. First logical extension fallacy (a variant of the straw man), second a hasty generalization.

More importantly whether wittingly or not you demonstrate some of the very methods sr leadership, elders, home group and cell group leaders have used to manipulate others for over 30 yrs at Xenos. As with all such fallacious reasoning one has to ask we're you ignorant that you were misrepresenting Emily's post? Or just thought those reading your post would be ignorant of logic and could be easily manipulated? Dennis and other sr leadership historically have been in the latter category. If someone misrepresents Christ by manipulating those they are called to serve how can they be called a disciple? Let alone a leader.

"Be shepherds of God's flock ...NOT lording it over those entrusted to you, but be examples to the flock" 1 Peter 5:2,3

Sr. Leadership at Xenos teaches these scriptures above, but then teach by example to boldly disrespect and manipulate those under them. Occasionally they hold younger leaders to account but deny any culpability themselves saying, "We never condoned this behavior, just look at our public teachings."

Hypocrites!

P.S. thanks again for demonstrations of one of Xenos leaders many methods of manipulation
UberGenius

Norwich, OH

#738 Feb 27, 2014
lucy wrote:
Regarding we are under grace...free from law...do I read that you interpret that as xenos folks are free to break the 10 commandments b/c we are saved? If so, I think you have misunderstood the message. Download the 2/23/2014 4th street teaching by Gary Delashmutt or obtain a cd copy from xenos. Gary addresses this topic and explains.
Lucy is correct. Xenos has a very biblically teaching on grace. But to my earlier comment (and Mike's) elders, home and cell group leaders getting together for training events would often bring porn movies to these events. At parties for nonbelievers put on at the elders house we not only watched porn but I ended up driving several group leaders home that were to drunk to drive.

They would reply "so what , it is soft core not hard core porn!" And would berate me for being a legalistic. I have had numerous conversations with All levels of leadership where they would talk about and rate all the female members in the group in terms of the order they would have sex with them. And where these women stood on a scale of 1-10. Often these men were married. Lucy... what you don't realize and would never guess is that these conversations have most-likely already occurred in your home group with you as the subject matter. No integration between biblical calling and one lifestyle has been at the root of Fishouse/Xenos since 1970s. I know much more than I am sharing because I don't wish to destroy lives (even of the hypocrites, it is not my place). Instead I want people inside and outside of Xenos to be prepared to defend themselves from the types of abuses documented on this Blog.

Hypocrites!

Enjoy the teaching and don't allow yourself to be victimized because you are naive to their hypocrisy.
Tanya V

United States

#739 Feb 27, 2014
Just saved a sister in law from this terrible cult at Capital Univ. Run away from these people, don't walk. They tried to alienate her from get family, used all sorts of hip music and drinking to entice young people. Witnessed several people being thrown out for not strictly following their views. Tried to coerce her and others to live in college house for "cheap" rent where more indoctrination takes place. Run away! It's a cult, a modern manipulative cult that will tear you from your family and friends in the name of Jesus if they aren't involved in Xenos.
Svetlana

Rostov-on-don, Russia

#740 Feb 27, 2014
ubergenius wrote:
<quoted text>
Svetlana,
Your comments were very moving. Buck McCallum (Dennis's younger brother) started a church in Russia back in the 1990s that may be the same Xenos you have attended. Buck was a great guy and I was sorry see him pass. That said, I would highly advise throwing Dennis's book in the trash. Different Christian churches have different strengths. Counseling people with the profound abuse your have had is far from Xenos' capability historically.
People that have suffered childhood abuse have biochemical, emotional and spiritual damage that can take significant time to heal. While there is biblical support for forgiving these individuals (for your benefit not theirs), there is no reason you should remain in relationship with them at all.
Finally, marriage always seems to exasperate emotional problems (at least in my life). If you are not married you might want to get some counseling. The wounds are deep and will make it difficult to trust or even bond with a spouse at all without healing. But saying that people shouldn't get married is absurd. My wife has two friends that have a similar story of abuse as yours. Both have been married for over 20 years and they have 6 kids between the two families, and are as happy as any married couple.
ubergenius,

first, thank you for your support and understanding. Yes, it was Dennis' brother who started a church in Russia and died there on accident.
What disturbs me is that Dennis McCallum seems to try to control the believers by telling what they should or should not do, in many spheres of their life, such as marriage, relations with parents (abusive or not), etc.
Questioning Xenos

Edwardsburg, MI

#741 Feb 27, 2014
Are the pastors even trained and licensed? I went to a Xenos home church meeting once. The Bible was never opened nor any scripture ever quoted. I was surprised when the leader mentioned God once. Anyway, I agree that they think they are above other people and will break any law they have to get their way to control other people.
Nothing good to say about Xenos church and feel like it is a cult that could end up being dangerous if people are faithful to the "leader" instead of the laws.
Craig

Columbus, OH

#742 Mar 1, 2014
Questioning Xenos wrote:
Are the pastors even trained and licensed? I went to a Xenos home church meeting once. The Bible was never opened nor any scripture ever quoted. I was surprised when the leader mentioned God once. Anyway, I agree that they think they are above other people and will break any law they have to get their way to control other people.
Nothing good to say about Xenos church and feel like it is a cult that could end up being dangerous if people are faithful to the "leader" instead of the laws.
I highly doubt you've ever been to a meeting before. If what you are describing is true, however, then it is an anomaly. If some body actually gave a teaching like that, they would be removed from teaching for a long time. The pastors all have a masters from seminary. Most likely Trinity Evangelical Divinity School because they have an extension site at Xenos. By the way, they study churches for three years before they will do that. Not all people who teach have degrees though. People who teach CT regularly do have a degree, but to teach a small group, you do not need one.
Xenos member

Columbus, OH

#743 Mar 1, 2014
Mike N wrote:
Part 3
The rebellious Dennis McCallum preaches pharisaic rebellion against parents and always has. His Baptist minister father tried to give central Ohio a heads-up to that reality but his warning was largely ignored as Dennis’ devotees continue to drink the Kool Aid. What a scandal that so many Xenos adults just look the other way as this cult abuses young people (even their own children!) just trying to find their way. It is shocking that these adults have never developed the spiritual maturity to be good Bereans, comparing the abusive, arrogant, cultic behavior of their maximum leader to the clear directives of Scripture for a true under-shepherd of Jesus Christ. These adults may pride themselves on their connection to hip, elitist, licentious McCallumism, perhaps even congratulating themselves, like the Pharisees, at their supposed spiritual progress. Go ahead and clink your wine glasses my friends as you betray the Christian faith and unsuspecting children.
Dennis encourages young adults to throw their parents an occasional bone by occasionally visiting them. That is only to keep up the pretense that they are somehow honoring them. This is mostly to keep the money flowing toward the so-called "ministry" house. Otherwise, any honor or help these kids could give their parents is, in fact, "Corban", given to God (in the first century, that likely meant first allegiance to the Pharisees and pharisaic coffers. In this case, it means first allegiance to Dennis McCallum’s Xenos methodologies and coffers).
Think I am overstating the case here? Ask the mother in Akron.
1st off. Everyone is Xenos would say that you are most likely a saved believer in Christ. We are not exclusivists, which is one of the essential attributes of a cult.
Now to the points you addressed.
Name a key biblical person used by God who wasn't called to leave his family. I'm sure you know the bible well enough to know that from Abraham and Moses, to the 12 Disciples that they were all called to leave their family to follow God. And this is a time when leaving the family was an unparsimonious extravagance compared to today's individualistic society in America. Read this quote from Luke 14:26 “If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple." (NASB). Obviously this is an idiom for comparison. It does not mean hate your family, but love Christ by much more in comparison. "Occasional Visits to Parents" (Paraphrase). I've visited my family 4+ times a week... Also the college groups contain ADULTS. They have the right to be so. Xenos does not belittle the importance of family, but emphasizes the value of human souls going to heaven
"Ask the mother in Akron". You mean the same one who runs "adult party's" at her house. Yeah, we should ask her. Anyways, the Kent Xenos is not actually affiliated with the Columbus Xenos. The Columbus branch takes no responsibility for anything happening over there.
The quotes I cut out to make room for my response appear to implying your love of the world. You see career and school as really important. And so do we, but not to the same degree. I don't know anybody in xenos who dropped out of school or failed because of the commitment to the Great Commission. I'm in school and working and doing just fine myself. 1 John 2:15-17. What's more important, follow God or following the world system? You can only serve one master.
To the Law: What does the bible say? Yes the law is good, but we are not. These passages are good on this. Yes the law is perfect, but we are not.
Eph. 2:8-9
Gal 3:3
Rom 7:7-12
Gal 3:23-25 (especially this one)
But, no longer being under the law does not mean sin as much as you want. It means you have the Holy Spirit and being conformed to the image of Christ. We should want to do our best for God and fight sin.
Gal 5:17 and 1 Cor. 3:10-14
Xenos member

Columbus, OH

#744 Mar 1, 2014
To Mike N:
1st off. Everyone is Xenos would say that you are most likely a saved believer in Christ. We are not exclusivists, which is one of the essential attributes of a cult.
Now to the points you addressed.
Name a key biblical person used by God who wasn't called to leave his family. I'm sure you know the bible well enough to know that from Abraham and Moses, to the 12 Disciples that they were all called to leave their family to follow God. And this is a time when leaving the family was an unparsimonious extravagance compared to today's individualistic society in America. Read this quote from Luke 14:26 “If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple." (NASB). Obviously this is an idiom for comparison. It does not mean hate your family, but love Christ by much more in comparison. "Occasional Visits to Parents" (Paraphrase). I've visited my family 4+ times a week... Also the college groups contain ADULTS. They have the right to be so. Xenos does not belittle the importance of family, but emphasizes the value of human souls going to heaven
"Ask the mother in Akron". You mean the same one who runs "adult party's" at her house. Yeah, we should ask her. Anyways, the Kent Xenos is not actually affiliated with the Columbus Xenos. The Columbus branch takes no responsibility for anything happening over there.
The quotes I cut out to make room for my response appear to implying your love of the world. You see career and school as really important. And so do we, but not to the same degree. I don't know anybody in xenos who dropped out of school or failed because of the commitment to the Great Commission. I'm in school and working and doing just fine myself. 1 John 2:15-17. What's more important, follow God or following the world system? You can only serve one master.
To the Law: What does the bible say? Yes the law is good, but we are not. These passages are good on this. Yes the law is perfect, but we are not.
Eph. 2:8-9
Gal 3:3
Rom 7:7-12
Gal 3:23-25 (especially this one)
But, no longer being under the law does not mean sin as much as you want. It means you have the Holy Spirit and being conformed to the image of Christ. We should want to do our best for God and fight sin.
Gal 5:17 and 1 Cor. 3:10-14
WWJD

Columbus, OH

#745 Mar 1, 2014
UberGenius wrote:
<quoted text>
Committed,
You didn't represent Emily's argument accurately. She is talking about the controlling behaviors many people have experienced in the Xenos culture,(i.e. gossip, slander, temper tantrums and ostracizing)!! When you read into someone's comments and extend them ( suggesting that her claim is Xenos is a cult because they frown on dating nonchristians)and attack that extension with the generalization "if following scripture makes a church a cult" you engage in fallacious reasoning. First logical extension fallacy (a variant of the straw man), second a hasty generalization.
More importantly whether wittingly or not you demonstrate some of the very methods sr leadership, elders, home group and cell group leaders have used to manipulate others for over 30 yrs at Xenos. As with all such fallacious reasoning one has to ask we're you ignorant that you were misrepresenting Emily's post? Or just thought those reading your post would be ignorant of logic and could be easily manipulated? Dennis and other sr leadership historically have been in the latter category. If someone misrepresents Christ by manipulating those they are called to serve how can they be called a disciple? Let alone a leader.
"Be shepherds of God's flock ...NOT lording it over those entrusted to you, but be examples to the flock" 1 Peter 5:2,3
Sr. Leadership at Xenos teaches these scriptures above, but then teach by example to boldly disrespect and manipulate those under them. Occasionally they hold younger leaders to account but deny any culpability themselves saying, "We never condoned this behavior, just look at our public teachings."
Hypocrites!
P.S. thanks again for demonstrations of one of Xenos leaders many methods of manipulation
Where is the love? Why are people at Xenos being passive aggressive? Isn't this childish behavior?
Not Right

Columbus, OH

#746 Mar 1, 2014
UberGenius wrote:
<quoted text>
Lucy is correct. Xenos has a very biblically teaching on grace. But to my earlier comment (and Mike's) elders, home and cell group leaders getting together for training events would often bring porn movies to these events. At parties for nonbelievers put on at the elders house we not only watched porn but I ended up driving several group leaders home that were to drunk to drive.
They would reply "so what , it is soft core not hard core porn!" And would berate me for being a legalistic. I have had numerous conversations with All levels of leadership where they would talk about and rate all the female members in the group in terms of the order they would have sex with them. And where these women stood on a scale of 1-10. Often these men were married. Lucy... what you don't realize and would never guess is that these conversations have most-likely already occurred in your home group with you as the subject matter. No integration between biblical calling and one lifestyle has been at the root of Fishouse/Xenos since 1970s. I know much more than I am sharing because I don't wish to destroy lives (even of the hypocrites, it is not my place). Instead I want people inside and outside of Xenos to be prepared to defend themselves from the types of abuses documented on this Blog.
Hypocrites!
Enjoy the teaching and don't allow yourself to be victimized because you are naive to their hypocrisy.
Was there cheating going on?
UberGenius

Norwich, OH

#747 Mar 2, 2014
Questioning Xenos wrote:
Are the pastors even trained and licensed? I went to a Xenos home church meeting once. The Bible was never opened nor any scripture ever quoted. I was surprised when the leader mentioned God once. Anyway, I agree that they think they are above other people and will break any law they have to get their way to control other people.
Nothing good to say about Xenos church and feel like it is a cult that could end up being dangerous if people are faithful to the "leader" instead of the laws.
I attended Xenos for 7 years, lived in a ministry house for half of that time, have been in over 300 home church meeting and in every one the focus was on Bible teaching. Questions were solicited and answered fairly. No one ever shouted someone down or embarrassed them for asking questions. Home Group leaders had significant (over 100 hrs) training. All of the teaching is orthodox.

The danger is in the culture of conformity. As I have stated before if you have a strong backbone and are willing to bound bad behavior from home group leaders, cell leaders, sphere leaders and elders you will be fine. If you are wounded or passive you will get used , manipulated and controlled.
UberGenius

Norwich, OH

#748 Mar 2, 2014
Not Right wrote:
<quoted text>
Was there cheating going on?
LOL. In every church I have been in the last 40 years lay leaders, or church staff has been involved in adultery. Both the Fundamentalist (Baptists) and then Xenos were the worst in terms of serious sin going unchecked. The former was due to the pharisaical nature of the culture that eliminated all transparency. The latter sinned so boldly as to lose sight of God's ambassadorial call and need for transformation. Neither were pressing on towards the prize.
UberGenius

Norwich, OH

#749 Mar 2, 2014
Mike N,

Finally got around to reading your posts. Were you a member of Fishouse or Xenos? Some of your comments, especially about the Xenos group in Akron seems like you are actually unfamiliar with Xenos. Or rather your familiarity is from outside looking in. Originally I had thought you were wounded by Dennis as many have been but now I am starting to think you may be just someone who hates seeker-friendly churches wherever they pop up.

Xenos is hated by Fundamentalist groups around Columbus for allowing smoking (they used to have a smoking section at the back of the central teaching) and drinking at their church events (Catholics should appreciate that... Bingo anyone?). Xenos takes Paul's comments in 1Cor. "I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some," very seriously. While fundamentalists traditionally understand that people must clean themselves up before they go to God, churches that reach out to the broken and needy recognize that God cleans people up through relationship with him not by following rules of men ( don't drink, don't smoke, don't chew, or run with those who do).

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