Xenos Christian Fellowship is a CULT!
Max

Wilmington, NC

#526 Aug 8, 2013
I think she might have heard some of that wrong. I've been with xenos for over 10 years. I even went to school there. They don't teach that Jewish people are bad and I don't ever recall the holocaust being mentioned or referred to. No worries!
Closer to Kwesi

Canal Winchester, OH

#527 Aug 9, 2013
Jim wrote:
I am appalled that you could make a statement like this without taking the time to check your facts. Essentially every point you made here is a blatant lie. To prove my point... That pastor you were talking about, organized the raising of TEN THOUSAND dollars to donate to Kwesi's memorial fund. Most of which came from HEART BROKEN peers of Kwesi.
http://www.donationto.com/We-Love-Kwesi--Samp...
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Not all of the statements are true, but to be fair they are certainly not all false. Reach out to your Pastor. He will tell you when he reached out to the family. I believe he will also tell you the retreat continued. And lastly, that link included additional donations. Read the previous post that breaks down how much each member would have donated if each person donated at the HUGE memorial held while Kwesi was still under water. Usually you hold a prayer vigil or such. A memorial being held while his FAMILY was at home grieving, and his grandmother was sitting on the beach waiting for his body to surface could rub the family wrong. And, let's not forget that his family including his younger twin brother and sister, his big sister, his parents, his grandparents, his aunts, and uncles, and other family would gladly give you back your donation that appears to be such a huge point made by the members back if they could just love on him one more time. PS...the site was created and set up by a close friend of the family not connected to the church, Jewel Jackson. The church donated like anyone else feeling the desire to do so. Stop pretending they did something that others did not do. It is offensive that the members seem to be more irritated than the family. You want to hear the voice of pain...reach out to his mother who is missing the child who shared her physical space for thirty four weeks. Or the grandmother who struggles to hear helicopters after hearing them over the water her grandson was in for five days. Or the twins who long to hear the voice of their brother. Or his niece who carries the picture of her uncle, and at six longs to have him put her on his shoulders just one more time. Or, keep being defensive. Either way, nothing you say or do will fill the void left in the hearts of his loved ones. But don't assume that everything the family friend posted is a lie. Continue to pray for the family.
Questions

Columbus, OH

#528 Aug 26, 2013
@Former Member,
Thank you for your story. However, I am curious about two points.
1) Have you heard any stories about situations in the mission houses, as I've heard of things going on in there? Whether they're true or not, I don't know.
2) Were you able to get your musical ambitions back on track after leaving Xenos? I hope you don't mind me asking, if it isn't too personal.
jrock

Louisville, KY

#529 Aug 26, 2013
Sigh.....

Yes, Xenos has kicked people out of the church for sexual sin.

Yes, people are encouraged to consider their career choices, especially ones that may pull them away from a life lived in service to God, which is what he calls us to.

Both biblical. Look it up if you want.

Yes, a lot of kids in Xenos come from the suburbs? Why? A lot of adults who go to Xenos also happen to live in the suburbs.

No, people don't give alcohol to minors.

There are plenty of churches out there where you can "play" church or be a casual Christian. Feel free to go find one. Xenos certainly isn't perfect because people aren't perfect.

For those parents out there who are "afraid" for you kids going to Xenos I understand. It's scary when your child wants to check out something new, different than the church that you believe in and raised them in. I suspect a lot of parents, especially those who attend a more traditional church, would be concerned if their children attended ANY church other than their own.

Xenos is an easy target because it's not traditional, it's evangelistic, and thousands of people have attended Xenos over the years. But most of you do not see what Xenos has done for so many people and how so many people's lives have been changed, not by Xenos, but by the truth of the bible that is taught in Xenos. Unfortunately, some of you don't even understand the Gospel message, the message of grace.

Nobody's perfect, even the elders in Xenos will admit that. But I'll say again: if you want to sit on the sidelines and bash any group your words ring hollow. Go and check it out. Third-hand experience means nothing.
jrock

Louisville, KY

#530 Aug 26, 2013
Worried wrote:
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I have a friend who is part of this group. The more he talks the more I'm sure they are a cult, or very cult like. They have 3 meetings a week and if you dont go to one you are made to feel bad. If you don't get a first shift job you are made to feel bad. If you go to date someone outside of the religion the "leaders or elders" will try and talk you out of it and keep harping on it. They encourage you to only live in their houses. They seperate you from everyone else. They hold "counseling sessions" for things they consider bad . Sex addiction if you've had sex with more than one person, being gay, etc... They are all for "curing" you. This is a dangerous religion!
Again, sexual promiscuity, sex outside of marriage, and homosexuality are all behaviors that God does not desire. Be mad at God.
jrock

Louisville, KY

#531 Aug 26, 2013
Been there wrote:
We are a Catholic family and our oldest daughter was recruited to Xenos as a young teen several years ago. She was resisting going to mass at the time and a friend invited her to her home group. As previous posters mentioned, it was very friendly and fun for a few months, but then they started to criticize the way she dressed. That was followed by home group leaders explaining to her that "Catholics aren't spiritual; they don't know how to pray." She quit soon after that; it took less than 2 years for her to recognize how prejudiced and controlling they were.
And yes, the home group leaders were smoking at the meetings.
A warning to parents: Xenos recruits heavily in the suburban public schools. The motto in our house is , "Just say 'no' to
Xenos!"
Would you have liked it if she got involved with another non-Catholic group? FYI, Xenos doesn't recruit anyone, they tell people about the gospel, that we are saved by grace. And they invite people to come out and learn the bible. I know that is intimidating to Catholics.
ecc

Dublin, OH

#532 Sep 14, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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From Xenos I have heard both sides, but in only very limited extents. They do utilize a "cell" organization in which members are situated in worship groups that can be very all-encompassing. They have a website--you can read some of their stuff their.
This whole use of "cell" organization as damning evidence is just funny. Organized society is based on cell structures. It is a convenient method of organization and helps people to make a connection. Making a connection with people is a key aspect of any church. Schools are based on cell structure; Work groups are based on cell structures; Sports teams; chess clubs...

I have attended Xenos. I have also left Xenos and come back. No one stalks me, threatens me, does anything odd.

As far as any single individual's negative experience goes, I would have this to say-- it seems possible that one or more people could encounter a person or people within a large organization that make choices or say things that do not reflect the beliefs and teachings of the organization as a whole. I don't know if some of the people referenced in this chain had these experiences or not. Their experience, though regrettable, does not mean the entirety of Xenos believes a certain way. That said, it also seems possible that an individual's perception does not match reality. Perception varies so much based on who that person is, what is going on in their life at that moment, and a lot of other factors. People at work sometimes tell me their perception of a matter that does not match my perception of reality. Last, sometimes there are just misunderstandings that don't get cleared up. I couldn't say why these people had or claim to have had these experiences.

I can say this: I believe in the God of the Bible and that the Bible is correct and true. I believe that Xenos does their best to teach the message of the Bible. I believe that the message of the Bible is not well received in modern society. I believe that the people at Xenos are just people--sinners--that try to live the message of the Bible, but that screw up in many ways on a daily basis.

If (i) you do not believe the Bible is God's word,(ii) you expect not to be wronged by a person at Xenos,(iii) you shun the idea of organizing society into smaller groups for the purpose of achieving connection and progress,(iv) you are unwilling to find out first hand and would prefer to rely on internet chat posts filled with agenda-driven people, then you may conclude that Xenos is a cult. Best of luck to you and hope you find a fellowship that works for you (beware of cell groups! do not drink kool-aid in Sunday School!).

If you believe that the Bible is God's word and you are looking for a fellowship, Xenos is terrific. It is definitely different than other churches, but I think more relevant to modern society in so many ways. Make the judgment yourself. No one will follow you away from the church and demand your return if you don't like it.:)

It is not... a cult.
Anonymus

Grove City, OH

#533 Sep 17, 2013
Ironic

Your argument is full of fallacies to suit your own agenda. Yet you're attacking people for doing the same.
Allie Hicks

Westerville, OH

#534 Sep 17, 2013
Anonymous wrote:
Too all who said there is no such thing as vocal persecution: https://twitter.com/allierhicks/status/356657...
i'm famous lolz
Allie Hicks

Westerville, OH

#535 Sep 17, 2013
I am 17 years old, and was ex-communicated from the cult November 4th 2012. Someone put on here that I was an example of "vocal persecution" against Xenos, for stating my opinion against it. What about all those who persecuted me after I got "removed"? I've had members tweet, text, comment, call me calling me psycho, saying that I'm fucked up, etc. Where's the Christian in that? Where was the Christian when a leader, Scott Arter, brought me in front of my homechurch, Brooklyn, and voted me out? They preached grace, acceptance, forgiveness and whatnot, but where was that then? They pulled out Matthew 18:15-17, 15 “If your brother or sister[a] sins,[b] go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[c] 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector." and used that to "remove" me. Okay, what about the other 28234389 verses in the Bible about grace? Those were not brought up. I was apart of Xenos for two years, they made it so that it was my life, and they voted me out the week I came back from the hospital from almost dying because of my suicide attempt, they told everyone not to talk to me either. I was left alone. They also used my attempted suicide as a reason as to why I should be removed, because (and quote) "it means she's still in the world and has worldly nature". That is beyond messed up. Personally, I hope Xenos falls apart, because it is fucked up.

If you have any questions or comments, reply. I have a lot to share.
Anonymous

Marengo, OH

#536 Sep 17, 2013
Allie Hicks wrote:
I am 17 years old, and was ex-communicated from the cult November 4th 2012. Someone put on here that I was an example of "vocal persecution" against Xenos, for stating my opinion against it. What about all those who persecuted me after I got "removed"? I've had members tweet, text, comment, call me calling me psycho, saying that I'm fucked up, etc. Where's the Christian in that? Where was the Christian when a leader, Scott Arter, brought me in front of my homechurch, Brooklyn, and voted me out? They preached grace, acceptance, forgiveness and whatnot, but where was that then? They pulled out Matthew 18:15-17, 15 “If your brother or sister[a] sins,[b] go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[c] 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector." and used that to "remove" me. Okay, what about the other 28234389 verses in the Bible about grace? Those were not brought up. I was apart of Xenos for two years, they made it so that it was my life, and they voted me out the week I came back from the hospital from almost dying because of my suicide attempt, they told everyone not to talk to me either. I was left alone. They also used my attempted suicide as a reason as to why I should be removed, because (and quote) "it means she's still in the world and has worldly nature". That is beyond messed up. Personally, I hope Xenos falls apart, because it is fucked up.
If you have any questions or comments, reply. I have a lot to share.
That doesn't sound very Christian of you either.
Anon

Springfield, OH

#537 Sep 17, 2013
Seems to be very legalistic, nothing good comes from such a thing. We have precedents, and history that attest to falters of legalism. And ex communication seems yield more negativity and allow the devil to engulf bitterness in ones heart. Since when was one supposed to abide by strict laws under the grace of God and what Christ has done. While yes we must strive to carry out his will and follow him, we will slip up, we will screw up. We are supposed to help brothers and sister as if we fall, not leave them there. Love is the primitive nature of our heavenly father. Legalism has taken such away
"Not very christian of you" yes thaf statement kay seemingly be true, but its just evident of the kind of hurt and pain inflicted upon her. Its projection of her hurt, the anger placed upon Xenos. Its quite flawed to have the mannerisms of a church operate in such a manner, most certainly not aligned with the values the bible entails.
Anonymus

Grove City, OH

#538 Sep 17, 2013
Allie I'm just some random person on the Internet, but I am sorry for what you had to go through. I don't know the entirety of your situation, but the fact you thought of suicide made me hurt just reading. You look like a beautiful young lady in your twitter pic. I can't imagine the pain you went through. I applaud you for fighting and please don't ever give up believing in Christianity. There are some awful excuses for "Christians" in our world.
Allie Hicks

Columbus, OH

#539 Sep 18, 2013
Anonymous wrote:
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That doesn't sound very Christian of you either.
I actually am no longer a Christina, so I don't have to obide to any rules.
Allie Hicks

Columbus, OH

#540 Sep 18, 2013
Anon wrote:
Seems to be very legalistic, nothing good comes from such a thing. We have precedents, and history that attest to falters of legalism. And ex communication seems yield more negativity and allow the devil to engulf bitterness in ones heart. Since when was one supposed to abide by strict laws under the grace of God and what Christ has done. While yes we must strive to carry out his will and follow him, we will slip up, we will screw up. We are supposed to help brothers and sister as if we fall, not leave them there. Love is the primitive nature of our heavenly father. Legalism has taken such away
"Not very christian of you" yes thaf statement kay seemingly be true, but its just evident of the kind of hurt and pain inflicted upon her. Its projection of her hurt, the anger placed upon Xenos. Its quite flawed to have the mannerisms of a church operate in such a manner, most certainly not aligned with the values the bible entails.
Thank you
Allie Hicks

Columbus, OH

#541 Sep 18, 2013
Anonymus wrote:
Allie I'm just some random person on the Internet, but I am sorry for what you had to go through. I don't know the entirety of your situation, but the fact you thought of suicide made me hurt just reading. You look like a beautiful young lady in your twitter pic. I can't imagine the pain you went through. I applaud you for fighting and please don't ever give up believing in Christianity. There are some awful excuses for "Christians" in our world.
This means a lot to me, I have actually given up on Christianity because of Xenos.. But I will never stop fighting. They destroyed me.
Anonymus

Grove City, OH

#542 Sep 18, 2013
Allie Hicks wrote:
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This means a lot to me, I have actually given up on Christianity because of Xenos.. But I will never stop fighting. They destroyed me.
I'm sorry to hear that you'be lost your faith :(

There are a TON of other churches out in the world you could call home. I'd obviously reccomend mine, but it's in Grove City lol. I also don't want random strangers on here attacking it. If you'd ever be interested say it on here and I'll reach out to you on Twitter or something ok? You honestly wouldn't even have to come that much or at all. Just enough so you can heal your heart after what those bastards did to you and realize there are genuinely good caring Christians. Just do some googling and I hope you can find a church that supports your beliefs, but above all else will love and accept you like a church should. Just remember that you're a strong and independent woman that has overcome an awful experience in your life. Once again I'm so sorry for what you went through!:(
Confused

Cambridge, OH

#543 Sep 26, 2013
Concerned Parent wrote:
My daughter began attending Xenos Christian Fellowship in Columbus Ohio after one of her friends at school invited her. The church service was called a 'Central Teaching', & at this meeting the members taught my daughter that Jewish people are sinners & that the holocaust did not take place! I am extremely disgusted with what this so called Christian church is teaching to young people under the guise of being a bible centered church. I am seeking legal counsel to find out what legal recourse I have. Have any of you had anything like this occur? Please post if you know anything about this church.
I find it hard to believe this. I'm in Xenos and I believe the holocaust happened and have nothing against Jews. Although they are sinners but so am I.
Former Member

Howard, OH

#544 Sep 30, 2013
I'm so sorry Allie. As a former member, I am familiar with the excommunication process and how they "ice" the people they kick out. I'm ashamed to say I once treated people in that matter. Since you are a teenager, I am not surprised you were quickly removed after a suicide attempt. That would be bad PR for them. Please don't let what they did change your opinion of God. He is gracious and loving and cares for ALL people - including you. Unlike members of Xenos, He won't turn his back on people who are broken and in need. I no longer attend that church and am aware as a former member that they do not care what I say. I really don't care because they aren't God. Also, there's a TON of people out there who do not like Xenos for similar reason. You aren't alone.
Allie Hicks wrote:
I am 17 years old, and was ex-communicated from the cult November 4th 2012. Someone put on here that I was an example of "vocal persecution" against Xenos, for stating my opinion against it. What about all those who persecuted me after I got "removed"? I've had members tweet, text, comment, call me calling me psycho, saying that I'm fucked up, etc. Where's the Christian in that? Where was the Christian when a leader, Scott Arter, brought me in front of my homechurch, Brooklyn, and voted me out? They preached grace, acceptance, forgiveness and whatnot, but where was that then? They pulled out Matthew 18:15-17, 15 “If your brother or sister[a] sins,[b] go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[c] 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector." and used that to "remove" me. Okay, what about the other 28234389 verses in the Bible about grace? Those were not brought up. I was apart of Xenos for two years, they made it so that it was my life, and they voted me out the week I came back from the hospital from almost dying because of my suicide attempt, they told everyone not to talk to me either. I was left alone. They also used my attempted suicide as a reason as to why I should be removed, because (and quote) "it means she's still in the world and has worldly nature". That is beyond messed up. Personally, I hope Xenos falls apart, because it is fucked up.
If you have any questions or comments, reply. I have a lot to share.
ABC

Dublin, OH

#545 Oct 5, 2013
I attended Xenos for 12 years and made a decision to leave on my own. I was as deeply involved as you can possibly be. Just like ANY church or organization, there are always going to be positives and negatives. Xenos members will be the first to say that everyone is a sinner, so we are all going to make mistakes. I left because of poor leadership at the small group level. After having attended for 12 years, I had witnessed too many situations in the small groups where poor leadership has resulted in people being unnecessarily hurt. But, poor leadership DOES NOT make a church or an organization a cult. Poor leadership exists everywhere in society. When you are part of a team at work, school, or church with poor leadership, there will be times when the decisions affect you.
As far as the accusations of "love bombing", I would have to agree that the "love" shown to a new person may seem a bit overwhelming. And, as you become more involved at the church, the initial love you felt may begin to feel different. Most people are not used to having increased responsibility at church as they learn new things. At Xenos, they believe that you are growing (or should be growing) as you learn more biblical truth. As you grow, you are held more accountable for the truth you know. This is not cultish behavior. This is biblical AND it is also how life works everywhere! The more you learn at work, school, and in society, the more you are held accountable for using that knowledge correctly.
As someone gets more involved with church activities, they will often make decisions not to participate in other activities in their life. Some of the younger, and less mature, leaders (along with peers) may try to encourage their friends to come to more meetings or activities and to give up some of their other commitments. This is where their excitement can sometimes be misplaced. Many people at Xenos make the mistake of over-committing their schedule. Before you know it, your schedule is full of activities and you have to make decisions on how to make room in your evenings and weekends. Some of the poorly trained leaders, or even just excited friends, might over encourage someone to attend various meetings and activities. That person might feel "guilty" for having to say no or for missing a meeting. In the beginning, most of the intentions are good. People are just naturally excited to make new friends. But as time passes, sometimes people are judged negatively for missing a meeting or not being as involved as others are. But, once again, this is life. You are judged at work, school, in your group of friends, and at ANY church based on the perceived level of commitment you bring. It doesn't make a place a cult.
As I've mentioned before, since Xenos has many small groups, they struggle to have all groups lead by mature and sound leaders. They try to teach their leaders with formal classes, but (unfortunately) they often place people in leadership roles based on their zeal and their ability to attend a lot of the activities, not necessarily based on their true leadership abilities.
If you truly care about your children's or friend's activities, go and check them out! Yes, I am suggesting that you go and check out Xenos for yourselves. If you are going to try and judge from a distance, you are going to make ill informed decisions. As someone who attended for 12 years, and as someone who studies the bible intensely, I can confidently say that Xenos is just seeking to follow certain biblical concepts as closely as possible. Their greatest fault is that some small groups (which are considered very important) have issues with spiritually immature leaders, and their overall excitement can sometimes lead to an environment where grace is trumped by their perception of your commitment.
Hope this helps.

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