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Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#1 Mar 26, 2014

Since: Mar 14

Hilliard, OH

#2 Mar 26, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/b usiness/Northwestern+football+ players+unionize+federal+agenc y+says/9664817/story.html
Ha!!!
woof
One more reason to hate Ohio State football. Suits me.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#3 Mar 26, 2014
Some contextual perspective:

3/26/sports/baseball/footage-o ffers-rare-look-at-babe-ruth-a nd-lou-gehrig.html

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/tsn/babe_ruth...

woof
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#4 Mar 26, 2014
Real Tea Party

Columbus, OH

#5 Mar 26, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/b usiness/Northwestern+football+ players+unionize+federal+agenc y+says/9664817/story.html
Ha!!!
woof
As far as I know, they've been making billions of dollars for the universities so I think it's fair they get to share that profit. People who actually believe "student-athlete" are just simply naive.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

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#6 Mar 29, 2014
Real Tea Party wrote:
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As far as I know, they've been making billions of dollars for the universities so I think it's fair they get to share that profit. People who actually believe "student-athlete" are just simply naive.
Sure, let's make them pro at the student level. Let's tax their scholarships if they are employees.

/sarcasm.

Unions have no business in college athletics.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#7 Mar 29, 2014
Will they no longer have to get passing grades to play?
Duke for Mayor

Tallmadge, OH

#8 Mar 29, 2014
TonyD2 wrote:
Will they no longer have to get passing grades to play?
"no longer"???

Who are you kidding?

woof
yeah baby yeah

Columbus, OH

#9 Mar 29, 2014
Forget the money the groids make the college. Realize instead the money wealthy White parents pay toward inflated tuitions that then cover the costs of these subsidizes substandards.

Oh, the TV royalties and bowl money goes to reducing tuition? No that lucre goes to the endowment fund. That is then used to build more temples of groid worship, aka sports stadia.
Real Tea Party

Columbus, OH

#10 Apr 4, 2014
gokeefe wrote:
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Sure, let's make them pro at the student level. Let's tax their scholarships if they are employees.
/sarcasm.
Unions have no business in college athletics.
"Student" my ass, last time I heard I didn't see one single student required 50 hrs a week work and a restricted diet plan and curfew, and they cannot deny a friend request from their coaches on social media.

Union or not, a football player needs to be compensated this isn't USSR. When one provides service for an organization that generate profit he ought to be compensated based on performance. Why are you so anti-capitalism?

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#11 Apr 4, 2014
Real Tea Party wrote:
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"Student" my ass, last time I heard I didn't see one single student required 50 hrs a week work and a restricted diet plan and curfew, and they cannot deny a friend request from their coaches on social media.
Union or not, a football player needs to be compensated this isn't USSR. When one provides service for an organization that generate profit he ought to be compensated based on performance. Why are you so anti-capitalism?
Well, then don't offer them SCHOLARSHIPS to study. Anti-capitalism? Really? That's not compensation? Those scholarships are worth anywhere from $25K and up per year, they get free room, board, education, medical care. They're competing to get scholarships to STUDY and play a SPORT. They're free to leave at anytime to join a pro draft. That's where free market capitalism comes in....

Since: Dec 10

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#12 Apr 5, 2014
TonyD2 wrote:
Will they no longer have to get passing grades to play?
They don't have to today. The ones who can't make the grades are put in special classes they couldn't fail if they tried.

Let's just drop the sham that the majority of these kids are students. They're really semi-pro athletes playing a game that makes the schools billions of dollars. The schools made this about money by paying ADs and coaches millions while the kids get very little in terms of real compensation. Pay them. Pay them all; the swimmers, the cheerleaders, the baseball team, the fencing team, gymnasts, wrestlers, all of them.

Since: Dec 10

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#13 Apr 5, 2014
gokeefe wrote:
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Well, then don't offer them SCHOLARSHIPS to study. Anti-capitalism? Really? That's not compensation? Those scholarships are worth anywhere from $25K and up per year, they get free room, board, education, medical care. They're competing to get scholarships to STUDY and play a SPORT. They're free to leave at anytime to join a pro draft. That's where free market capitalism comes in....
Those scholarships don't cost the school much of anything. It's an extra chair in a classroom that's already there, being paid for by kids whose families ARE paying. It's an extra bed in a dorm that's being paid for by someone else. The scholarship is merely a way for the school to bind the player to the school and prevent them from leaving for another school.

And they're NOT free to leave anytime and join a pro draft. Just ask Maurice Clarett. The NCAA saw to that. NCAA athletics is anything but "free market capitalism."

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#14 Apr 5, 2014
dpx55 wrote:
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Those scholarships don't cost the school much of anything. It's an extra chair in a classroom that's already there, being paid for by kids whose families ARE paying. It's an extra bed in a dorm that's being paid for by someone else. The scholarship is merely a way for the school to bind the player to the school and prevent them from leaving for another school.
And they're NOT free to leave anytime and join a pro draft. Just ask Maurice Clarett. The NCAA saw to that. NCAA athletics is anything but "free market capitalism."
Those scholarships those kids receive have lifetime value. At a time in any young person's life they have very little tangible value. A college education AND a shot at the pros?

Give.me.a.break.

Maurice Clarett did an incredibly stupid thing. i don't think the system harmed him too much. Look up where he's at now and what he's doing. Tressell was a major player in that situation and he was wrong, too. " Clarett created his own mess, suspended by Ohio State for accepting improper benefits and filing a false police report. Many come from similar backgrounds, lead productive college careers and wait their turns to reap NFL riches."

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2013/1...

So...again, why not strip the "scholarships" then, make them pro and the universities their employer? Take away the educational benefits and then tax their earnings. Why not?

I think collegiate athletics loses in the long run with the loss of status of the amateur athelete...

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#15 Apr 5, 2014
dpx55 wrote:
And they're NOT free to leave anytime and join a pro draft. Just ask Maurice Clarett. The NCAA saw to that. NCAA athletics is anything but "free market capitalism."
That was due to NFL rules, not NCAA ones.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#16 Apr 5, 2014
dpx55 wrote:
<quoted text>
They don't have to today. The ones who can't make the grades are put in special classes they couldn't fail if they tried.
Let's just drop the sham that the majority of these kids are students. They're really semi-pro athletes playing a game that makes the schools billions of dollars. The schools made this about money by paying ADs and coaches millions while the kids get very little in terms of real compensation. Pay them. Pay them all; the swimmers, the cheerleaders, the baseball team, the fencing team, gymnasts, wrestlers, all of them.
You are wrong.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_center/Qu...

Requirements to maintain an NCAA scholarship.
They cannot kill a Spook

Detroit, MI

#17 Apr 5, 2014
TonyD2 wrote:
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That was due to NFL rules, not NCAA ones.
Conspiracy / collusion. Same for the NBA after all the crying with LeBron and a few others told the college minors to piss up a rope.

Hockey and Baseball are the only two where the playera can be drafted and just delay signing. Ryan Dzingle for example was drafted prior to going to Ohio State and just signed. Bartowski with Boston played at Ohio State and when the coaching shuffle started off he went. If all sports were like that then this would possibly not be an issue now.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

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#18 Apr 5, 2014
They cannot kill a Spook wrote:
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Conspiracy / collusion. Same for the NBA after all the crying with LeBron and a few others told the college minors to piss up a rope.
Hockey and Baseball are the only two where the playera can be drafted and just delay signing. Ryan Dzingle for example was drafted prior to going to Ohio State and just signed. Bartowski with Boston played at Ohio State and when the coaching shuffle started off he went. If all sports were like that then this would possibly not be an issue now.
I didn't know that. I thought once drafted from any sport, they had to sign.

Interesting.

Personally, I don't care for pro sports. But if that's how one choose to make their living, so what? Few kids have the ability to go directly into the pros, bypass college. Enabling them to unionize in my view just says "hey...they're pro now." Nonsense. It also removes quite a few benefits from them as well--free education, tax-free. Colleges don't recruit kids because the kids need to support their families. Colleges recruit kids to educate them. College athletics is just a possible part of being a college student. That schools make ginormous amounts of money off of this is irrelevant. Perhaps the Division I and II universities can put that money back into educating students rather than fleecing the pockets of NCAA officials, building monument stadiums, etc. And then by the way...universities and the NCAA can discourage anyone from being a fan and stop anyone but the teams attend games, too. Tickets don't need to be sold nor a television event doesn't have to happen for a game to occur. <sarcasm>

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#19 Apr 5, 2014
dpx55 wrote:
<quoted text>
They don't have to today. The ones who can't make the grades are put in special classes they couldn't fail if they tried.
Let's just drop the sham that the majority of these kids are students. They're really semi-pro athletes playing a game that makes the schools billions of dollars. The schools made this about money by paying ADs and coaches millions while the kids get very little in terms of real compensation. Pay them. Pay them all; the swimmers, the cheerleaders, the baseball team, the fencing team, gymnasts, wrestlers, all of them.
That's a Title XI nightmare that would kill college sports.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#20 Apr 5, 2014
*Title IX

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