Whitehall firefighters battle bedbugs

Whitehall firefighters battle bedbugs

There are 18 comments on the The Columbus Dispatch story from Dec 21, 2013, titled Whitehall firefighters battle bedbugs. In it, The Columbus Dispatch reports that:

They discovered the problem this morning, when a few firefighters showed up to roll call with bites on their bodies.

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Oliver Canterberry

Columbus, OH

#1 Dec 21, 2013
These bedbugs as well as Shigellosis, Whooping Cough and tuberculosis are a direct result of massive Somali and illegal immigration from Mexico.

Most European nations had eliminated these scourges before Immigration and Refugee programs opened the flood gates from the Third World to increase the Democrat Base.

When are people going to wake up?
3rd World America

Blacklick, OH

#2 Dec 21, 2013
Too late. Humanity is sealing its fate. The slide into a 3rd World World is speeding up.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#3 Dec 21, 2013
Bedbugs have never been eliminated. They've pretty much had a reputation as "hitchhikers." The increase of bedbugs has only happened because of an increase in travel, internationally and domestically.

Shigellosis is spread not washing one's hands and via contaminated food. Easily controlled and avoided if you simply wash your hands and NOT use that antibacterial gel. Soap and water, 2 minutes.

Whooping cough--parents just inoculate your kids...

People will be awake if they just understand this basic education...
3rd World America

Blacklick, OH

#4 Dec 21, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
Bedbugs have never been eliminated. They've pretty much had a reputation as "hitchhikers." The increase of bedbugs has only happened because of an increase in travel, internationally and domestically.
Shigellosis is spread not washing one's hands and via contaminated food. Easily controlled and avoided if you simply wash your hands and NOT use that antibacterial gel. Soap and water, 2 minutes.
Whooping cough--parents just inoculate your kids...
People will be awake if they just understand this basic education...
Education of the US masses is in the toilet. Cultural aversion to even the most benign inoculations is rising. Personal hygiene is for people who are willing to buy soap instead of drugs. Stupidity is going to win on planet Earth.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#5 Dec 21, 2013
3rd World America wrote:
<quoted text>
Education of the US masses is in the toilet.
I am on the fence with this statement. I see the point--our public school system in many areas is faltering and kids are in the middle of a war with all of these fights over "standards." They aren't getting the basics and come out unable to understand basic math and read.

However, the rates of college graduation in the US are fairly high. We also have a good percentage of population who hold at least a bachelor's.

http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp...
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/24/education/c...
3rd World America wrote:
<quoted text>
Cultural aversion to even the most benign inoculations is rising. Personal hygiene is for people who are willing to buy soap instead of drugs.
I think part of this fight is due to schools stepping in and doing it for children, in at least one case I've found, it was without parental knowledge or consent.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/educati...

Not all parents want their children to receive the HPV vaccine. I haven't kept up with this issue, but I think the original arguments were that this vaccine wasn't proven in its effectiveness. But that has been a few years ago.

But with whooping cough, I think some parents may have an legit argument against it. Appears that the newest version isn't effective? I think parents have to make an informed choice, but my druthers would be to take the innoculation since it's not lethal to do so...

http://news.sciencemag.org/health/2013/11/who...

http://www.fiercevaccines.com/story/vaccines-...
3rd World America wrote:
<quoted text>
Stupidity is going to win on planet Earth.
How? Not sure that's a given...
3rd World America

Blacklick, OH

#6 Dec 21, 2013
How? The sheer number of estupidos worldwide guarantees it,

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#7 Dec 21, 2013
3rd World America wrote:
How? The sheer number of estupidos worldwide guarantees it,
I'm sorry. I did not know that there were so many estupidios given the climbing rate of education in the US alone--and combined with the fact so many other nations do beat us pants down in STEM education--that we are guaranteed doom.... I thought Harold Camping died?

Merry Grinchmas.

<Imma gonna have fun with that today I think!>
Duke for Mayor

Cleveland, OH

#8 Dec 21, 2013
Oliver Canterberry wrote:
These bedbugs as well as Shigellosis, Whooping Cough and tuberculosis are a direct result of massive Somali and illegal immigration from Mexico.
Most European nations had eliminated these scourges before Immigration and Refugee programs opened the flood gates from the Third World to increase the Democrat Base.
When are people going to wake up?
You should go to Che's home/shed, all of the above.
Wait what

Columbus, OH

#9 Dec 21, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
Bedbugs have never been eliminated. They've pretty much had a reputation as "hitchhikers." The increase of bedbugs has only happened because of an increase in travel, internationally and domestically.
Shigellosis is spread not washing one's hands and via contaminated food. Easily controlled and avoided if you simply wash your hands and NOT use that antibacterial gel. Soap and water, 2 minutes.
Whooping cough--parents just inoculate your kids...
People will be awake if they just understand this basic education...
Bedbugs were far and few in the US, which is what I think the poster meant. Additionally, do you really think that all other countries have the same sense of hygiene that Americans do? If so, you couldn't be more wrong. Talk to some immigrants and you will find them laughing at what Americans wrinkle their noses at - including bugs, which are known to spread disease. In their country, they may very well have lived with them and think that we are making much ado over nothing. As for vaccinations, until the government is willing to take such afflictions such as autism seriously, you will continue to have mass groups of folks who don't want to vaccinate their children. It's way more complicated than "basic education".
Wait what

Columbus, OH

#10 Dec 21, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
<quoted text>
I am on the fence with this statement. I see the point--our public school system in many areas is faltering and kids are in the middle of a war with all of these fights over "standards." They aren't getting the basics and come out unable to understand basic math and read.
However, the rates of college graduation in the US are fairly high. We also have a good percentage of population who hold at least a bachelor's.
http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp...
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/24/education/c...
<quoted text>
I think part of this fight is due to schools stepping in and doing it for children, in at least one case I've found, it was without parental knowledge or consent.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/educati...
Not all parents want their children to receive the HPV vaccine. I haven't kept up with this issue, but I think the original arguments were that this vaccine wasn't proven in its effectiveness. But that has been a few years ago.
But with whooping cough, I think some parents may have an legit argument against it. Appears that the newest version isn't effective? I think parents have to make an informed choice, but my druthers would be to take the innoculation since it's not lethal to do so...
http://news.sciencemag.org/health/2013/11/who...
http://www.fiercevaccines.com/story/vaccines-...
<quoted text>
How? Not sure that's a given...
Pretty sure the poster wasn't using education in his/her post to mean public schools.

If you are going to do some reading on vaccinations, don't go through Google and glean articles. Go to med articles from 30 years ago on Polio, to start. Your eyes may start to be opened. Maybe.
Wait what

Columbus, OH

#11 Dec 21, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
<quoted text>
Not all parents want their children to receive the HPV vaccine. I haven't kept up with this issue, but I think the original arguments were that this vaccine wasn't proven in its effectiveness. But that has been a few years ago.
But with whooping cough, I think some parents may have an legit argument against it. Appears that the newest version isn't effective? I think parents have to make an informed choice, but my druthers would be to take the innoculation since it's not lethal to do so...
http://news.sciencemag.org/health/2013/11/who...
http://www.fiercevaccines.com/story/vaccines-...
<quoted text>
How? Not sure that's a given...
The pertussis vaccine has been implicated in infant death following the administration of said vaccine.

Gardisil? Look at why it was pulled overseas in some countries, and research the lawsuits here in the US.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#12 Dec 21, 2013
Wait what wrote:
<quoted text>
Bedbugs were far and few in the US, which is what I think the poster meant. Additionally, do you really think that all other countries have the same sense of hygiene that Americans do? If so, you couldn't be more wrong. Talk to some immigrants and you will find them laughing at what Americans wrinkle their noses at - including bugs, which are known to spread disease. In their country, they may very well have lived with them and think that we are making much ado over nothing. As for vaccinations, until the government is willing to take such afflictions such as autism seriously, you will continue to have mass groups of folks who don't want to vaccinate their children. It's way more complicated than "basic education".
I didn't state that bedbugs were not a problem. The problem has grown primarily due to travel--internationally and domestically. A friend of mine was in Mexico, most of the time stayed on a resort. Took an excursion into a local town and stayed there overnight. Flew home, found an infestation of bedbugs in his house a week or so later. Coincidence? I think not.

Point is: bedbugs really aren't a matter of hygiene. They were here in the US and were a large issue in my parents' childhoods. What's the difference? The pesticides used when I was a kid pretty much eradicated them. I think for the most part, it was the decline in the use of DDT that was implicated as a major cause of the epidemic.

http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/bedbugs/faqs.htm...
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/201...

As for the autism link with vaccinations, I've never been convinced of it. There are a number of vaccines, and the one that was specifically targeted in the media (that I noticed) was the MMR vaccine, not those mentioned in the original post.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/topics.html

The Gardasil vaccine has been hotly debated. I really am not convinced that girls should be immunized, especially without parental consent (what was discussed in the article I posted) as young as 9 or 11 as has been suggested in some articles I have read. But I did discuss with my own gynecologist a few years back just out of curiosity. He felt it was effective, but there are certainly some contraindications, the main was a severe allergic reaction. The reason the medical community has been so strongly advising to inoculate at younger ages was because girls, once they are sexually active or at a later age, are not as likely to return for the follow up shots. My view--it's a parental decision to be made with information.

http://www.livescience.com/20517-hpv-vaccine-...
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz...

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#13 Dec 21, 2013
Wait what wrote:
<quoted text>
Pretty sure the poster wasn't using education in his/her post to mean public schools.
If you are going to do some reading on vaccinations, don't go through Google and glean articles. Go to med articles from 30 years ago on Polio, to start. Your eyes may start to be opened. Maybe.
There is always controversy over an immunization. I don't think we can specifically state, with any certainty, that ALL immunizations will be SAFE for ALL persons. There are always those who fall into the asymtopes--the "outlyers" on that statistical grid. Does this mean I am unsympathetic to the few who have been harmed? No. But we are discussing public health, which means we need to talk about the overwhelming majority who are benefitted by such immunizations.

Will you or will you not get a flu shot, for example?

I refuse flu shots. Why? Because I AM sick afterward. I'd rather risk the chance 3 or 4 days of misery rather than KNOW I will have that misery from a shot.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#14 Dec 21, 2013
Wait what wrote:
<quoted text>
The pertussis vaccine has been implicated in infant death following the administration of said vaccine.
Gardisil? Look at why it was pulled overseas in some countries, and research the lawsuits here in the US.
I had to look this up, since I remembered some news concerning this issue, but could not remember how long ago.

The concerns dated from the 1980s. It was recently correlated to infant age and sleep position of infants.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1...

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/sid...

Possible two factors were at work here and the rise in pertussis might be due to the lack of immunizations over the past 20-some years? Dunno, sure seems like it to me...
Wait what

Columbus, OH

#15 Dec 21, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
<quoted text>
I had to look this up, since I remembered some news concerning this issue, but could not remember how long ago.
The concerns dated from the 1980s. It was recently correlated to infant age and sleep position of infants.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1...
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/sid...
Possible two factors were at work here and the rise in pertussis might be due to the lack of immunizations over the past 20-some years? Dunno, sure seems like it to me...
No, actually, that's not correct.
Wait what

Columbus, OH

#16 Dec 21, 2013
Did you know that the government provides compensation to those affected by vaccine injuries?

http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index...

And since there is no live virus in the flu shot, you should not have gotten sick...unless you reacted to one of the additives that we're told are harmless. ;)
Wait what

Columbus, OH

#17 Dec 21, 2013
As to autism, I'm more inclined to believe it's something we're ingesting and I wouldn't be surprised if it's something genetically modified. Whether that overlaps into additives for vaccines, I'm not certain. There is a probably a parent whose child has autism who has done lots more research, and maybe they'll post.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#18 Dec 21, 2013
Wait what wrote:
Did you know that the government provides compensation to those affected by vaccine injuries?
http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index...
And since there is no live virus in the flu shot, you should not have gotten sick...unless you reacted to one of the additives that we're told are harmless. ;)
Yes, I was aware of the compensation.

As for the flu shot, there are a number of toxins...

Ethylene glycol, the scientific name for antifreeze.
Formaldehyde, nicknamed “the embalmer’s friend.”
Aluminum, a known carcinogen with links to Alzheimer’s disease.
Thimerosal, a form of mercury, the most toxic of all the heavy metals.

http://www.humanevents.com/2013/10/04/flu-sho...

I have no answer why I have gotten sick after a flu shot. But the risks are minimal either way. To me, doesn't make sense to pay for something that makes me ill. I felt pretty crappy after the last shot, no way, no more. Would I suggest to someone else to avoid it? Nope.

As for autism, it would be interesting to see another point of view. It does seem as if there could be some conflation or overlap with the statistics, given the increase in diagnoses over the past 20 years or more and the ingredients in the shots and that brain chemistry is much different in those with autism even though the Journal of Pediatrics has said NO to that thought this year. My thinking: it's possible that public health officials are concerned about the problems of highly contagious disease and outcomes stemming from those who will refuse to vaccinate due to fear.

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