Why Do Republicans Lie?

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As your lack of reading comprehension becomes clearer and clearer, I never once said all people or even all Republicans were liars nor did I ever say all liars were Republicans. I very simply stated that the folks on here who claim they are conservatives but always vote Republican and spew their talking points are lying about their political affiliation, as there is no conservative party to speak of. How can one be part of what doesn't really exist?
Further, the RNC and the statists have hooked you guys into voting for them based on lies. They claim to be the party of small government, yet they always grow it. They claim to be the party of fiscal responsibility but they always leave huge deficits and debt in their wake.
Sorry knucklehead but all that is true.
You just hate being called out for being a sucker, that's all.
No, you made those statements and are even spouting another lie right here. I don't vote for republicans because of what the party says, I vote for them because there is no one else capable of beating the clueless democrats who would win by default. Put a guy up from a third part or independent who is popular enough to win, and I might very well vote for them. But as it stands, it's either disgruntled big party people with an ax to grind, liberal whackjobs wanting to rid the world of the internal combustion engine because they hummer runs on unicorn farts. Just look at the loons they had running for president last election.

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<quoted text>No, you made those statements and are even spouting another lie right here. I don't vote for republicans because of what the party says, I vote for them because there is no one else capable of beating the clueless democrats who would win by default. Put a guy up from a third part or independent who is popular enough to win, and I might very well vote for them. But as it stands, it's either disgruntled big party people with an ax to grind, liberal whackjobs wanting to rid the world of the internal combustion engine because they hummer runs on unicorn farts. Just look at the loons they had running for president last election.
So, you're in favor of bankrupting the country, weakening our military and defense structure, nation building, abortion, higher taxes and corporate personhood?

That's who you've been voting for.
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So, you're in favor of bankrupting the country, weakening our military and defense structure, nation building, abortion, higher taxes and corporate personhood?
That's who you've been voting for.
corporate person-hood, nation building sure, the rest no. And I don't think you know what you are talking about on it else you wouldn't have put them all in the same sentence. No third party candidate would do anything that is against all of them and if there was, they wouldn't stand a chance at being elected dog catcher because there will be a major disconnect within the,

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<quoted text>corporate person-hood, nation building sure, the rest no. And I don't think you know what you are talking about on it else you wouldn't have put them all in the same sentence. No third party candidate would do anything that is against all of them and if there was, they wouldn't stand a chance at being elected dog catcher because there will be a major disconnect within the,
Wrong again, bucko.

http://www.lp.org/platform

Abortion is the only issue they take no stand on.
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Wrong again, bucko.
http://www.lp.org/platform
Abortion is the only issue they take no stand on.
So there is a position they don't take and I am wrong. And I see around here, they aren't getting elected, and I am wrong.

You need to slow down and learn to comprehend what you read. As I said, they would have trouble getting elected dog catcher. This is obvious from all the candidate not elected. All they do it seems it is make it hard for republicans to put conservatives on the ballot because they will take some of the conservative vote which forces the republicans to put more liberal politicians up.

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<quoted text>So there is a position they don't take and I am wrong. And I see around here, they aren't getting elected, and I am wrong.
You need to slow down and learn to comprehend what you read. As I said, they would have trouble getting elected dog catcher. This is obvious from all the candidate not elected. All they do it seems it is make it hard for republicans to put conservatives on the ballot because they will take some of the conservative vote which forces the republicans to put more liberal politicians up.
So you prefer the fiscally irresponsible fascists to the fiscally responsible ones? Those are the only two choices you've left for yourself.

If we're heading towards fascism, which I fight tooth and nail, I'd much rather have fiscally responsible ones than Republicans who haven't bothered to balance a budget.

You manage to be wrong about everything you attack me on, except the parts where you parrot exactly what I said.
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As your lack of reading comprehension becomes clearer and clearer, I never once said all people or even all Republicans were liars nor did I ever say all liars were Republicans. I very simply stated that the folks on here who claim they are conservatives but always vote Republican and spew their talking points are lying about their political affiliation, as there is no conservative party to speak of. How can one be part of what doesn't really exist?
Further, the RNC and the statists have hooked you guys into voting for them based on lies. They claim to be the party of small government, yet they always grow it. They claim to be the party of fiscal responsibility but they always leave huge deficits and debt in their wake.
Sorry knucklehead but all that is true.
You just hate being called out for being a sucker, that's all.
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Further, the RNC and the statists have hooked you guys into voting for them based on lies. They claim to be the party of small government, yet they always grow it. They claim to be the party of fiscal responsibility but they always leave huge deficits and debt in their wake.

Many liked President Reagan, if you look at his record, he always spoke of smaller Government, what did the man do? He was the Father of of BIG GOVERNMENT spending. Kosmik is on the money on this one. Not only this one. You may not like what he writes, but check out the truth.

Hannity swears by Reagan, if you were to call this no good. Give him a call, if it is something different than the lie he is spewing, the man will not let you say a word, without butting in. The same is true with Rush Limbaugh. Nearly all of the Conservative talk show hosts. I rarely listen to them, or Fox, it is only totally slanted network all day long.

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Kosmik wrote
Read carefully:
Further, the RNC and the statists have hooked you guys into voting for them based on lies. They claim to be the party of small government, yet they always grow it. They claim to be the party of fiscal responsibility but they always leave huge deficits and debt in their wake.
Many liked President Reagan, if you look at his record, he always spoke of smaller Government, what did the man do? He was the Father of of BIG GOVERNMENT spending. Kosmik is on the money on this one. Not only this one. You may not like what he writes, but check out the truth.
Hannity swears by Reagan, if you were to call this no good. Give him a call, if it is something different than the lie he is spewing, the man will not let you say a word, without butting in. The same is true with Rush Limbaugh. Nearly all of the Conservative talk show hosts. I rarely listen to them, or Fox, it is only totally slanted network all day long.
My apologies for going off on your mistaken posts PR, I've always liked what you add to a discussion.
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So you prefer the fiscally irresponsible fascists to the fiscally responsible ones? Those are the only two choices you've left for yourself.
If we're heading towards fascism, which I fight tooth and nail, I'd much rather have fiscally responsible ones than Republicans who haven't bothered to balance a budget.
You manage to be wrong about everything you attack me on, except the parts where you parrot exactly what I said.
No, I prefer the responsible ones, but they have little chance of getting elected because third parties take too many votes from them. The republicans end up putting up candidates that appeal to the left in order to gain the ground they would lose to third party loons. Instead, I end up voting for the least of two evils that are irresponsible.

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<quoted text>No, I prefer the responsible ones, but they have little chance of getting elected because third parties take too many votes from them. The republicans end up putting up candidates that appeal to the left in order to gain the ground they would lose to third party loons. Instead, I end up voting for the least of two evils that are irresponsible.
I do think that third parties in this country have always had a difficult time because they tend to exist further to the right or to the left than the two major parties. I have certainly longed for purer candidates further to the left (and no--despite all hopes, that is not Obama). However it is always a practical choice. There was a point in my life when I had to realize that despite all hopes and dreams, my votes were going to the Dems and stopped calling myself an independent. And even among those who might have been formally organized to the left, there has been a tendency to look for Dem candidates who are endorseable because the fit a part of the bill.

I have a co-worker who grew up in Sweden, where they actually have three parties. However, their third party (Greens, I believe) is situated in the center. They are too small to contemplate majority status, however, they wield enormous power by bringing on or the other party along with them on issues. In essence they have established a role as the tie vote.

I think that to do this in the US, we would have to rethink out dichotomy and the line from right to left--which is really, in practical terms--situated around the middle. If those calling themselves independents were to organize around a few issues (or rather if a small group with a few neatly defined issues were to organize and specifically target this non-aligned group), the end result might well be to more clearly differentiate the Dems and Repubs from each other--with a bit more boldness to move further right and left on select issues--so long as they can partner with the group in the middle.

Something to think about.
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I do think that third parties in this country have always had a difficult time because they tend to exist further to the right or to the left than the two major parties. I have certainly longed for purer candidates further to the left (and no--despite all hopes, that is not Obama). However it is always a practical choice. There was a point in my life when I had to realize that despite all hopes and dreams, my votes were going to the Dems and stopped calling myself an independent. And even among those who might have been formally organized to the left, there has been a tendency to look for Dem candidates who are endorseable because the fit a part of the bill.
I have a co-worker who grew up in Sweden, where they actually have three parties. However, their third party (Greens, I believe) is situated in the center. They are too small to contemplate majority status, however, they wield enormous power by bringing on or the other party along with them on issues. In essence they have established a role as the tie vote.
I think that to do this in the US, we would have to rethink out dichotomy and the line from right to left--which is really, in practical terms--situated around the middle. If those calling themselves independents were to organize around a few issues (or rather if a small group with a few neatly defined issues were to organize and specifically target this non-aligned group), the end result might well be to more clearly differentiate the Dems and Repubs from each other--with a bit more boldness to move further right and left on select issues--so long as they can partner with the group in the middle.
Something to think about.
The biggest problem with third parties in the US is that they typically do not care about small races. They seem to be mostly concerned with mainly national issues. If they gain ground on any one particular stance, the big parties just adopt it and enjoy the popularity of it. The big parties are generally all encompassing parties leaving the third parties to the fringe anyways. Its not uncommon to see both the democrats and republicans being for the same thing but differing on the approach to enact or accomplish it.

Another problem is that on a national level, politicians often act differently then on a state and more local level. A lot of people form their opinions about a party's current stance by how they perform locally and assumes that transfers to nationally well. When a third party misses this opportunity by not participating, they miss a grass roots effect of popularity.

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<quoted text>No, I prefer the responsible ones, but they have little chance of getting elected because third parties take too many votes from them. The republicans end up putting up candidates that appeal to the left in order to gain the ground they would lose to third party loons. Instead, I end up voting for the least of two evils that are irresponsible.
What's responsible about nearly bankrupting our nation and creating the atmosphere and conditions for our near depression? Remember the same 'responsible' type republicans, Calvin Coolidge and Herbert Hoover did the same thing only it turned out much worse.

Hey, keep voting for the party that wants to flush us, it'll be your funeral.

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My apologies for going off on your mistaken posts PR, I've always liked what you add to a discussion.
What? You no longer want to kick his ayse? What is next?
You no longer want to advocate for violence against me????

The new softer K eh?

Still a scum sucking hippie, that does not mind advocating violence against all who might disagree eh?

Where is the peace hippie?
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What's responsible about nearly bankrupting our nation and creating the atmosphere and conditions for our near depression? Remember the same 'responsible' type republicans, Calvin Coolidge and Herbert Hoover did the same thing only it turned out much worse.
Hey, keep voting for the party that wants to flush us, it'll be your funeral.
I don't know, you tell me. You are the one who seems to have something to say on it.

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What? You no longer want to kick his ayse? What is next?
You no longer want to advocate for violence against me????
The new softer K eh?
Still a scum sucking hippie, that does not mind advocating violence against all who might disagree eh?
Where is the peace hippie?
Get a job and a life.

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<quoted text>I don't know, you tell me. You are the one who seems to have something to say on it.
But you're the only who fantasizes they are all knowing, maybe unable to translate that to coherent written word.

You're just another who runs like hell from the results of the losers you vote for.
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What? You no longer want to kick his ayse? What is next?
You no longer want to advocate for violence against me????
The new softer K eh?
Still a scum sucking hippie, that does not mind advocating violence against all who might disagree eh?
Where is the peace hippie?
What do you have against hippies? They're more libertarian than your average goose stepping corporate conservative stooge,who wants the Corporation to replace God. Conservatives are not true capitalist. The bailouts saved a whole bunch of industries that would've folded without the money. Raw capitalism would've crushed the American system a long time ago. Nobody really believes in raw capitalism.
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But you're the only who fantasizes they are all knowing, maybe unable to translate that to coherent written word.
You're just another who runs like hell from the results of the losers you vote for.
I have no fantasies about my limitations. I don't run from who I vote for. I vote based on who is most likely to win that is the least evil. I do not waste my vote on fringe idiots who appear more wacko then insightful to everyone who isn't deranged or drinking the coolaid and off their rocker. I'm also not the one getting all but hurt over being wrong and getting called out on it.

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<quoted text>I have no fantasies about my limitations. I don't run from who I vote for. I vote based on who is most likely to win that is the least evil. I do not waste my vote on fringe idiots who appear more wacko then insightful to everyone who isn't deranged or drinking the coolaid and off their rocker. I'm also not the one getting all but hurt over being wrong and getting called out on it.
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Explain just how likely was Romney to get elected, against a mountain of polls that showed otherwise and how he was less evil.

You're just proof that all a majority means sometimes, is that more people are wrong. When you support a candidate who fits your belief, you speak freely. Now you're just exposing yourself for the fascim promoting broke wienie that you are.

You have nothing, yet you'll vote for one who'll take that away in a heartbeat. Wonderful.

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Explain just how likely was Romney to get elected, against a mountain of polls that showed otherwise and how he was less evil.
You're just proof that all a majority means sometimes, is that more people are wrong. When you support a candidate who fits your belief, you speak freely. Now you're just exposing yourself for the fascim promoting broke wienie that you are.
You have nothing, yet you'll vote for one who'll take that away in a heartbeat. Wonderful.
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