Why Do Republicans Lie?

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#790 Jan 14, 2013
-tip- is a troll wrote:
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Did George aprove your post?
George isn't the only Topix poster who thinks you're [translated for you: YOUR] an idiot.

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#791 Jan 14, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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George isn't the only Topix poster who thinks you're [translated for you: YOUR] an idiot.
LMAO
Adif understanding

United States

#792 Jan 14, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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That is roughly how a capitalist industrial society works.
I know how it course trying to inline the response utterly failed the formatting codes on this site. But hey.. it is what it is.

Anyways, taxing those with more is not necessarily redistribution. Giving people who make less breaks for doing certain things like buying a home instead of renting is not redistribution. Redistribution is where you pay their mortgage because they lack the wherewithal to do it themselves. Redistribution is giving millions of people fake credits for taxes paid in and then refunding it simply because they did not earn enough during the year. Redistribution is taking from one set in order to enable another set. The obvious flaw in this scheme is that the other set is never capable of obtaining on their own so they are forever slaves to environment enacting the redistribution It's like welfare, if you get a job, they do not adjust the amount of welfare to offset the difference, they yank like 2 dollars for every one earned making it impossible for most families to get off welfare without jumping into a job paying money they are typically not qualified to make. redistribution hurts society. Instead train and remove restrictions and regulations and allow everyone to succeed.
Adif understanding

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#793 Jan 14, 2013
Kosmik wrote:
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I have none.
You seem to have quite a bit of trouble grasping reality as do many others on here.
How are your math skills? I'm willing to bet they're lacking based on your idiotic presumptions.
Are you losing track of what you are doing and end up rambling? Reality is much different then you have presented it on several posts. Here is a rule you can live by, absolutes are a sign that you do not know what you are talking about. You views on republicans show this disconnect and brain damage quite nicely. I bet if you could actually drop the selection bias and take an entire context into account, you would find your preconceived notions completely silly too.

Now I know you will not understand anything I said. I know judging from your comments that you are either trolling or convinced of your position. That is why I called you delusional and not a liar. If reality and you ever do meet up one day, I would hope a trained professional might be around as you will be quite upset.

Kosmik

Since: Sep 10

Columbus, OH

#794 Jan 14, 2013
Adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>Are you losing track of what you are doing and end up rambling? Reality is much different then you have presented it on several posts. Here is a rule you can live by, absolutes are a sign that you do not know what you are talking about. You views on republicans show this disconnect and brain damage quite nicely. I bet if you could actually drop the selection bias and take an entire context into account, you would find your preconceived notions completely silly too.
Now I know you will not understand anything I said. I know judging from your comments that you are either trolling or convinced of your position. That is why I called you delusional and not a liar. If reality and you ever do meet up one day, I would hope a trained professional might be around as you will be quite upset.
You're just another self deluded soul, aren't you? God, why do you idiots seem to flock here.

Your attempts at defining wealth redistribution to Reader in your prior post is indicative that you have no understanding of wealth to begin with.

Show me a Republican who presents a budget or economic plan that displays workable math and I might take a different tone. Show me a Republican who actually works for small government and again, you'll have a new tact. There are few, if any and all the Republican supporters I address on here demonstrate the exact same deficiencies in math, logic and critical thought, just as you are.

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#795 Jan 14, 2013
Adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>I know how it course trying to inline the response utterly failed the formatting codes on this site. But hey.. it is what it is.
Uh, yeah, OK.

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#796 Jan 14, 2013
Adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>Redistribution is giving millions of people fake credits for taxes paid in and then refunding it simply because they did not earn enough during the year. Redistribution is taking from one set in order to enable another set. The obvious flaw in this scheme is that the other set is never capable of obtaining on their own so they are forever slaves to environment enacting the redistribution It's like welfare, if you get a job, they do not adjust the amount of welfare to offset the difference, they yank like 2 dollars for every one earned making it impossible for most families to get off welfare without jumping into a job paying money they are typically not qualified to make. redistribution hurts society. Instead train and remove restrictions and regulations and allow everyone to succeed.
Clinton's welfare reform took the approach that you suggest--providing a gradual ramp off of assistance, ensuring child care support to enable parents to work, continuing Medicaid eligibility, particularly for children, to working families. Currently there are far more families who receive just food stamps and Medicaid than who receive cash assistance. The Earned Income Tax--which goes back, as I recall, to Bush I, was continued as a means of supporting working families with a "negative income tax."

Now, a side effect of this that we should always be wary of is that it tends to keep wages low for a class of worker on the lowest rungs--which tends to keep profits high for those who are able to exploit this low-cost labor. And there have been some studies/accusations about WalMart's dependance on government subsidized health care and food stamps to support their workers.

And the other reality is that this approach works well in a strong economy, but when the economy blows up, those same folks end up being among the first to lose jobs and the most needy.

But what restrictions and regulations do you believe should be removed in order to allow all to succeed?

Kosmik

Since: Sep 10

Columbus, OH

#802 Jan 14, 2013
Karl Monday wrote:
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Change the tax system to consumption based
Wrong. Change it to transaction based. That will collect more than enough to end all other taxes and will affect some of the most volatile aspects of the market system.

Nano-second transactions are becoming the rage, they are untaxed and they present huge problems to the overall market, as does 'fast' currency trading.

Get the money where it truly is bringing more stability to our economy and lessening the burden on everyone else.

Kosmik

Since: Sep 10

Columbus, OH

#804 Jan 14, 2013
Karl Monday wrote:
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Let the Europeans wreck their economy with the Tobin tax first
Actually this is Dr. Edgar Feige's plan and it's all encompassing, not just limited to currency trading.

As much as you want to point across the ocean and use any country's example of wrecking their economy, bear in mind that the very steps you promote have wrecked ours over the past 3-4 decades.

Our economy is wrecked, if it weren't you might have a valid point.
Adif understanding

United States

#806 Jan 15, 2013
Kosmik wrote:
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You're just another self deluded soul, aren't you? God, why do you idiots seem to flock here.
Your attempts at defining wealth redistribution to Reader in your prior post is indicative that you have no understanding of wealth to begin with.
Show me a Republican who presents a budget or economic plan that displays workable math and I might take a different tone. Show me a Republican who actually works for small government and again, you'll have a new tact. There are few, if any and all the Republican supporters I address on here demonstrate the exact same deficiencies in math, logic and critical thought, just as you are.
I don't know about idiots flocking around you but if everyone you know is wrong, I think it might imply you aren't as smart or correct as you think you are.

As for showing you a republican, I don't have to. I never made the claim you are demanding to be proven. Please keep the discussion to the real things that are being said and not what is in your head.
Adif understanding

United States

#807 Jan 15, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Clinton's welfare reform took the approach that you suggest--providing a gradual ramp off of assistance, ensuring child care support to enable parents to work, continuing Medicaid eligibility, particularly for children, to working families. Currently there are far more families who receive just food stamps and Medicaid than who receive cash assistance. The Earned Income Tax--which goes back, as I recall, to Bush I, was continued as a means of supporting working families with a "negative income tax."
Now, a side effect of this that we should always be wary of is that it tends to keep wages low for a class of worker on the lowest rungs--which tends to keep profits high for those who are able to exploit this low-cost labor. And there have been some studies/accusations about WalMart's dependance on government subsidized health care and food stamps to support their workers.
And the other reality is that this approach works well in a strong economy, but when the economy blows up, those same folks end up being among the first to lose jobs and the most needy.
But what restrictions and regulations do you believe should be removed in order to allow all to succeed?
Well, Clinton took credit for it, but you can hardly call it his reform as the republicans marshaled it forward. He did coin the phrase a hand up not a hand out I believe.

The eitc started circa 1975 or so to offset a the inability of lower income families to take advantage of certain tax breaks more affluent families could. It was to keep the effective tax rates progressive so a hirer income family in fact paid more then the lower income family. The 70's was a time where if crafted correctly, sneezing in public could be a tax write off (it was so bad). We literally had rich people expensing yachts and luxury cars (one for each day of the week) as business expenses. A lot of that changed in the 1980s under Reagan and a democrat congress.

As for restrictions, there are many. like GED and high school diploma requirements for remedial jobs that could be done by twelve year olds if we allowed them to work in a factory. I'm not suggesting child labor, just that people either don't get it and don't finish school or they have to work to help support the family and do the same. These people will be the one most dependent on welfare. Other restrictions are regulations in place that prevent people from going into business themselves in some cases. We need to strategically deregulate a lot of things and weed out the cruft while keeping effective regulation. Go down to your local zoning board meeting one of these nights, there is almost always someone who has ran a consultant business from his home for 10 years or so where no customers go to him, and he is arguing that his home office is not a violation of zoning rules or a variance should be granted. I recently looked into buying a food truck, health department wants to approve the menu and you need to apply for a new license to change it. You also need all NSF listed and rated appliances, the want the NSF approval numbers recorded which means that even the microwave that isn't used for anything except to warm your coffee has to be the commercial grade NSF version. You could have a commercial grade stock burner (read hot plate) and if there isn't a NSF number on it, you have to jump through hoops to get it approved or toss it and find one that has been rated.

Its just ridiculous when you consider some of this stuff.
Hugh Victor Thompson III

Delaware, OH

#808 Jan 15, 2013
Karl Monday wrote:
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Most of the population isn't foreign born. The "natives" didn't just spring out of the dirt...
They were hatched.
Hugh Victor Thompson III

Delaware, OH

#809 Jan 15, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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George isn't the only Topix poster who thinks you're [translated for you: YOUR] an idiot.
The correct word is "you're" before the grammar nazi catches it.
Hugh Victor Thompson III

Delaware, OH

#810 Jan 15, 2013
George isn't my real name, it's Waldo Hornthrop.

Kosmik

Since: Sep 10

Columbus, OH

#811 Jan 15, 2013
Karl Monday wrote:
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If Europe had to pay for its own defense and medical research, they would be worse off.
This nation has kept Europe afloat since 1945
Without us, the Russians would turn the gas off and millions would freeze to death. The Russians would conquer in the spring.
Who discouraged or by treaty caused western European countries to be without defense?

American chose it's position and basically forced Europe to accept it.

Don't blame Europeans for America's geed and stupidity.

Kosmik

Since: Sep 10

Columbus, OH

#812 Jan 15, 2013
Adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know about idiots flocking around you but if everyone you know is wrong, I think it might imply you aren't as smart or correct as you think you are.
As for showing you a republican, I don't have to. I never made the claim you are demanding to be proven. Please keep the discussion to the real things that are being said and not what is in your head.
The comment was about idiots flocking to the Columbus Topix Forum. You're not from around here, have no idea what the ongoing issue is but you've jumped in the middle to point fingers at me, while demonstrating the same self delusions as those you are attempting to defend.

You've but another gnat I'll have to swat at.

You appear to be a Republican, which tells me a lot about your inability to face facts or truth. You've yet to try the "I'm a conservative (a fairy tale) or I'm an independent (you've never voted for one)" lines.

Here's a real easy way to tell. A progressive or liberal on here admits that's what they are and posts accordingly. I never have any problems with them, I may not agree with their position but we can civilly discuss it.

A Republican is dishonest from the start so no semi-intelligent discussion can take place. Republicans have to put everything through their rationalization filter. In doing such, after stating a dozen or so stances, hypocrisy shines.

Are you honest or a right wing hypocrite?

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Since: Aug 10

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#813 Jan 15, 2013
Medical research is also pretty great out here. Getting my eyes done next week with a procedure the UK has had for years before the states got it started. There are a lot less hurdles to getting a new procedure off the ground out here, so we've got some pretty cool stuff that looks a bit futuristic, coming out of the states.

Kosmik

Since: Sep 10

Columbus, OH

#814 Jan 15, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
George isn't my real name, it's Waldo Hornthrop.
It's actually Zero and his list of life achievements and accomplishments support that 1000%
Adif understanding

United States

#815 Jan 15, 2013
Kosmik wrote:
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The comment was about idiots flocking to the Columbus Topix Forum. You're not from around here, have no idea what the ongoing issue is but you've jumped in the middle to point fingers at me, while demonstrating the same self delusions as those you are attempting to defend.
You've but another gnat I'll have to swat at.
You appear to be a Republican, which tells me a lot about your inability to face facts or truth. You've yet to try the "I'm a conservative (a fairy tale) or I'm an independent (you've never voted for one)" lines.
Here's a real easy way to tell. A progressive or liberal on here admits that's what they are and posts accordingly. I never have any problems with them, I may not agree with their position but we can civilly discuss it.
A Republican is dishonest from the start so no semi-intelligent discussion can take place. Republicans have to put everything through their rationalization filter. In doing such, after stating a dozen or so stances, hypocrisy shines.
Are you honest or a right wing hypocrite?
But I am from around here. Why this has me showing as being from across the country I do not know. I've seen your posts, or some of the posts here. You have made some pretty freakin stupid comments. I mean some outright delusional comments. The fact that you think if I'm not for you, I must be with your enemy shows your delusions pretty well. Nothing I have said has been political, just fact based. If facts offend you, I suggest you rethink your positions in life a bit.

In your last reply, you have stated at least 3 falsities as if they were universally true, pretended everyone is out to get you, entangled yourself in at least 2 logical fallacies (3 if we use loose standards) and then attempt to push your failings off as those of someone else my mere association with what you despise. If anyone was to look up delusional, your post would be listed within the top ten examples of how to spot delusional idiots.

Kosmik

Since: Sep 10

Columbus, OH

#816 Jan 15, 2013
Adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>But I am from around here. Why this has me showing as being from across the country I do not know. I've seen your posts, or some of the posts here. You have made some pretty freakin stupid comments. I mean some outright delusional comments. The fact that you think if I'm not for you, I must be with your enemy shows your delusions pretty well. Nothing I have said has been political, just fact based. If facts offend you, I suggest you rethink your positions in life a bit.
In your last reply, you have stated at least 3 falsities as if they were universally true, pretended everyone is out to get you, entangled yourself in at least 2 logical fallacies (3 if we use loose standards) and then attempt to push your failings off as those of someone else my mere association with what you despise. If anyone was to look up delusional, your post would be listed within the top ten examples of how to spot delusional idiots.
Once again you post to me, make false allegations derived from learning disabilities. You claim I've said a lot of stupid things but you've not posted a single statement for study.

You made wholly ignorant statements in defining wealth redistribution to another and I pointed right to that. You didn't reply, as you probably Googled it and discovered you were wrong to begin with.

Pick a statement, any statement and we'll go from there.

Until then, you're just an emptyheaded lamb on your way to slaughter.

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