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#770 Jan 14, 2013
Adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>Redistribution is how it is termed, not how I put it. If you do not like the term, I suggest you look at what it entailed before suggesting it is the wording of a fringe set of people.
There has always been a greater burden on those who benefited most from our society and economy. Outside of social security which FDR knew was unconstitutional before he ever became president and was billed as you getting back what you were forced to pay in so wasn't really redistribution, the concept of redistribution came about in practice well after WWII. In fact, it wasn't until the 70's for the most part that the US started practicing it large scale. It largely came about in the 1968 civil rights legislation where the good democrats decided the way to ensure peace, opportunity, and equality was to create high rise apartments all the way over on the other side of town and put the negros in those projects free of charge, provide for their well being and modest medical. This didn't kick in strong until after the 70's. Unfortunately, instead of most of America looking and saying what the fuck, they observed and said, I want mine too.
So unless you consider a quarter century and two wars later to be right after a war happened, you might want to revisit that patch of history.
So many misconceptions it is hard to know where to begin. Try looking at tax rates and distribution of wealth from Eisenhower on forward. Do the same for labor laws, worker protections and income distribution (which is different from welath distribution). You may not like to think about it, but such vital things as distribution of wealth and income are heavily impacted by public policy--specifically in the areas of taxation and labor laws.

We have seen a number of unhealthy shifts in recent years: the upwards distribution of wealth, the stagnation of income overall and a widening income gap between those at the top and those at the bottom. Further, the number of those in the middle--the middle class-have been shrinking while the number at the bottom has grown.

In terms of political and economic stability such trends have never been regarded as harbingers of good times.

Changes have tended to be incremental and have been exacerbated by global competition and ease with which labor can be "outsourced." Both political parties have contributed.

This is where we are. The question before us is whether we continue in this direction to the crisis point, or attempt an about face.

Since: Sep 10

Columbus, OH

#771 Jan 14, 2013
Karl Monday wrote:
<quoted text>
I will rephrase it then:
Most Blacks want an activist government in the realm of transfer payments to the lower income brackets and affirmative action, among other things, including gun bans.
All of which is opposed by the right.
I believe you're making some faulty allegations here. I would never presume to know what any ethnicity overall desires, outside of equal opportunity.

Since there are far more caucasians than any other ethnicity receiving public benefits, your theory is skewed.

Since: Sep 10

Columbus, OH

#772 Jan 14, 2013
billybob wrote:
This thread is so funny. It starts with a completely unintelligent rant concerning a premise that only exists in the brainwashed minds of true idiots due to a refusal to consider contexts or even the entire truth and is argued throughout the extremes by the same polar opposite. It's the ultimate troll piece if I ever found one.
I think I like this site.
The bait was laid and the lying Republicans bit and got hooked. It accomplished exactly what it set out to do.

Remember, we're dealing with folk who swear up and down they're independents but they've always voted Republican. They're ashamed of their party affiliation, don't have the courage to find a candidate with the values they claim they have and instead spend their days and nights projecting their flaws on the opposition.

A true Republican cannot tell the truth, they are lost in rationalization rather than facts or science.
George Jefferson Little

Delaware, OH

#773 Jan 14, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>LOLOLOLOLOL! You're right, I'm not a Republican...they're too far left. But LIG, you must be the dumbest lesbian on the North Side with your "faithful Republican" bit.
You're about the stupidest jack on Topix. You think everyone is LiG. The real LiG got on your nerves, I'm not even close to that. You have no proof who is who. You have to come up with a differant email address everytime you change your name don't you?
Duke for Mayor

Delaware, OH

#774 Jan 14, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Zell Miller still says he's a Dick.
I'm in love with the guy.
Your gay, you love the guy. LOL

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#775 Jan 14, 2013
George Jefferson Little wrote:
<quoted text>
You're about the stupidest jack on Topix. You think everyone is LiG. The real LiG got on your nerves, I'm not even close to that. You have no proof who is who. You have to come up with a differant email address everytime you change your name don't you?
All you have to do is clear your cookies, LIG.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#776 Jan 14, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Your gay, you love the guy. LOL
Duke, you've moved to Columbus. And you're using "your" like a certain lesbian troll we all know. Fancy that...
George Jefferson Little

Delaware, OH

#777 Jan 14, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Duke, you've moved to Columbus. And you're using "your" like a certain lesbian troll we all know. Fancy that...
(It's Walt) wait, or is it????(LiG)
George Jefferson Little

Delaware, OH

#778 Jan 14, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>All you have to do is clear your cookies, LIG.
Wait, I thought I was Walt?

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#779 Jan 14, 2013
George Jefferson Little wrote:
<quoted text>
Wait, I thought I was Walt?
Still picking Rasin' Canes chicken fingers outta mama's basement sofa?
Adif understanding

United States

#780 Jan 14, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
So many misconceptions it is hard to know where to begin.[/quote]I'm sorry you have all these misconceptions.

[QUOTE who="FKA Reader"]Try looking at tax rates and distribution of wealth from Eisenhower on forward. Do the same for labor laws, worker protections and income distribution (which is different from welath distribution). You may not like to think about it, but such vital things as distribution of wealth and income are heavily impacted by public policy--specifically in the areas of taxation and labor laws.[/quote]I have, and I have noticed that there has been a graduated income tax the entire time. Those with more not only pay more because 10% of 1000 is 10 times more then 10% of 100, but also pay additional due to a higher rate. The government's job is to provide the security and resources we as a community need in order to be successful, not to supplement your income for failing to be successful.

[QUOTE who="FKA Reader"]We have seen a number of unhealthy shifts in recent years: the upwards distribution of wealth, the stagnation of income overall and a widening income gap between those at the top and those at the bottom. Further, the number of those in the middle--the middle class-have been shrinking while the number at the bottom has grown.[/quote]This is largely due to consolidation and scale while over regulation has stifled competition. It has nothing to do with redistribution and the fix for it is is not redistribution.

[QUOTE who="FKA Reader"]In terms of political and economic stability such trends have never been regarded as harbingers of good times.
Changes have tended to be incremental and have been exacerbated by global competition and ease with which labor can be "outsourced." Both political parties have contributed.
This is where we are. The question before us is whether we continue in this direction to the crisis point, or attempt an about face.
I'm not sure what this has to do with redistribution. Are you suggesting that the best solution you can arrive at for this problem is taking from someone to give to someone else? You see, a fundamental difference between us is going to be that I would rather put the tools for you to succeed in front of you and let you use them if you wanted to. Evidently, you want to leave them in front of me or others and just take the product of our efforts and give to those without. Not a wise way to run a county or a family or anything for that matter.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#781 Jan 14, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Still picking Rasin' Canes chicken fingers outta mama's basement sofa?
Good to see you back.
Adif understanding

United States

#782 Jan 14, 2013
Kosmik wrote:
<quoted text>
The bait was laid and the lying Republicans bit and got hooked. It accomplished exactly what it set out to do.
Remember, we're dealing with folk who swear up and down they're independents but they've always voted Republican. They're ashamed of their party affiliation, don't have the courage to find a candidate with the values they claim they have and instead spend their days and nights projecting their flaws on the opposition.
A true Republican cannot tell the truth, they are lost in rationalization rather than facts or science.
You appear to be a delusional brainwashed idiot projecting the fears of ones self onto others. Do you have questions about your status and positions in life?

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

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#783 Jan 14, 2013
Adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>...Are you suggesting that the best solution you can arrive at for this problem is taking from someone to give to someone else?...
Indeed she is, as ever.
-tip- is a troll

Delaware, OH

#784 Jan 14, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Still picking Rasin' Canes chicken fingers outta mama's basement sofa?
Did George aprove your post?
Hugh Victor Thompson III

Delaware, OH

#785 Jan 14, 2013
-tip- is a troll wrote:
<quoted text>
Did George aprove your post?
No!
Hugh Victor Thompson III

Delaware, OH

#786 Jan 14, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Good to see you back.
Hey Bro :)

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#787 Jan 14, 2013
Adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not sure what this has to do with redistribution. Are you suggesting that the best solution you can arrive at for this problem is taking from someone to give to someone else? You see, a fundamental difference between us is going to be that I would rather put the tools for you to succeed in front of you and let you use them if you wanted to. Evidently, you want to leave them in front of me or others and just take the product of our efforts and give to those without. Not a wise way to run a county or a family or anything for that matter.
That is roughly how a capitalist industrial society works. Capitalists put the tools in front of workers and then take their work product, providing them with an amount roughly equivalent to ensure survival and replacement.

In purest, crudest form, this can get pretty ugly. Further, while there is some opportunity for a limited number to challenge the market (developing a new product, a cheaper means of production, etc), over time wealth becomes pooled resulting in a highly stratified society in which some, by birth, have access to both social and financial capital, while others are virtually doomed to a life on the lowest rungs.

Americans have never been wholly comfortable with classism--despite frequent tolerance of it on a limited basis. Thereforee, a tax-based system has been used to ensure some basic access to capital--chiefly through public education, but in more recent years through home mortgage support as well--and a degree of worker protection (to ensure that those who own the tools to not confiscate too large a share of the product)--have been laid in place to protect access to upward mobility. As these things erode (and the they have) we become more and more class oriented with fewer opportunities for mobility.

Since: Sep 10

Columbus, OH

#788 Jan 14, 2013
Adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>You appear to be a delusional brainwashed idiot projecting the fears of ones self onto others. Do you have questions about your status and positions in life?
I have none.

You seem to have quite a bit of trouble grasping reality as do many others on here.

How are your math skills? I'm willing to bet they're lacking based on your idiotic presumptions.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

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#789 Jan 14, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Good to see you back.
Thanks.
A well-balanced life requires that one issue regular beatdowns on the leftists and losers.
But I repeat myself.

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