Why Do Republicans Lie?

[Hugh Victor Thompson III]

Bubba Says wrote:

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Can't find the info on Hilliard. You got a link?

I'm not talking about Hilliard. I'm talking about where I grew up from the '60s to the '80s.

[Kosmik]

Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:

<quoted text>While the GOP is hardly a conservative organization, your vitriol directed at it is not that of a libertarian/"true conservative." It's the hate often seen from leftists everywhere.

You don't know what a Libertarian or a true conservative is. There hasn't been a conservative on the ballot to speak of since Goldwater in '64. I guess Buchanan could be considered one. Reagan talked of Libertarian values and Conservative values but governed from the center. He talked the talk but didn't walk the walk.

You misinterpret me. I rag on Republicans because they whine and whine about taxes and spending yet do nothing but make the problem worse. Right now the nation is in a serious crisis and whining about tax rates while we are going deeper and deeper into debt makes no sense.

[Kosmik]

Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:

<quoted text>K, I grew up in my hometown. I knew what went on and its history. I has an uncle who was an FBI agent who worked in the Boston and NY field offices. I saw the impact of the '70s and '80s mob firsthand in the areas they ran. On my 18th birthday, I bought my first legal six-pack of beer at the South Boston Liquor Mart on a dare. Why a dare if I was of legal age? Take a guess at who owned the Liquor Mart and often sat behind the counter.
Spare me your ideas of knowing what things were like where you didn't live. You very rarely hear me comment on the scene in Ohio before 1991 for that very reason.

I guess there was no drug use happening anywhere near where you lived. No other vices that people all over the world indulge in.

I've spent a fair amount of time in the north end. Don't accuse me of being ignorant of your teenage surroundings.

[FKA Reader]

Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:

<quoted text>According to my parents, they did indeed visit our town...usually the homes of judges and "businessmen." But suburbs like ours were absolutely off limits when it came to the "action."

George has always lived inside a magic bubble.

[Kosmik]

Bubba Says wrote:

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Can't find the info on Hilliard. You got a link?

Bubba, put your can of PBR down and follow the thread, we're talking about Boston and the surrounding area.

Keep up.

[Hugh Victor Thompson III]

Kosmik wrote:

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You don't know what a Libertarian or a true conservative is. There hasn't been a conservative on the ballot to speak of since Goldwater in '64. I guess Buchanan could be considered one. Reagan talked of Libertarian values and Conservative values but governed from the center. He talked the talk but didn't walk the walk.
You misinterpret me. I rag on Republicans because they whine and whine about taxes and spending yet do nothing but make the problem worse. Right now the nation is in a serious crisis and whining about tax rates while we are going deeper and deeper into debt makes no sense.

You're talking to someone who voted for Buchanan in the 1992 primary. Then I grew up and realized his anti-Semitism was something I wanted nothing to do with.
As I've made clear, I haven't been a Republican since 2008. I simply have voted for them as the lesser of two evils. And as long as abortion remains a plank of the Democrat Party, they'll never get a vote from me...not even for the lowest local office.

[Kosmik]

6was9 wrote:

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Let's see K...LOL
Obama just made 83% of the "evil Bush" tax cuts permanent with no reduction in spending.
The tax increase is estimated to bring in 620 billion over a TEN year period.....
http://news.firedoglake.com/2013/01/07/corpor...
the deficit for the year 2012 alone is 1.1 Trillion
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/13/business/fe...
obama is seeking to take control of the debt limit and continue spending like a drunken sailor......
How is that working out for ya?

Gee and you think giving away the budget surplus in the form of tax rebates and then cutting revenue while increasing spending massively didn't hurt anything.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/opinion/sun...

[Hugh Victor Thompson III]

FKA Reader wrote:

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George has always lived inside a magic bubble.

How many gangland crimes occurred in Upper Arlington and Bexley during the heyday of the "mafia," Reader? Because I can tell you how many happened in Needham, Wellesley, Dover, Weston and Sherborn, Massachusetts...none.

[Hugh Victor Thompson III]

Kosmik wrote:

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I guess there was no drug use happening anywhere near where you lived. No other vices that people all over the world indulge in.
I've spent a fair amount of time in the north end. Don't accuse me of being ignorant of your teenage surroundings.

The North End is 95% Italian. In the 70s, the average person only sw it on the Prince Spaghetti commercial with Anthony. Non-Italians were not welcome unless they were obvious tourists. It wasn't part of my teenage experience. Try the suburbs abutting 128. THAT's what I experienced, with occasional forays into Southie and Dorchester.

[Kosmik]

Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:

<quoted text>You're talking to someone who voted for Buchanan in the 1992 primary. Then I grew up and realized his anti-Semitism was something I wanted nothing to do with.
As I've made clear, I haven't been a Republican since 2008. I simply have voted for them as the lesser of two evils. And as long as abortion remains a plank of the Democrat Party, they'll never get a vote from me...not even for the lowest local office.

So in essence you're a one issue voter. That's hardly conservative. You're more associated with 'the moral majority' folk who corrupted Reagan's administration. Remember Ed Meese cracking down on 7-11 for selling that horrible porn such as Playboy or Penthouse?

[GlitterSucks]

FKA Reader wrote:

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George has always lived inside a magic bubble.

That's priceless Ms. Poof here's money for whatever you need.

[Che Reagan Christ]

Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:

<quoted text>Hate is generally recognized by its own vocabulary and tone.
What your parents did to you is unknown to me, but the results are nothing to crow about.

That, or it's defined by one's own persecution complex.

[Hugh Victor Thompson III]

Kosmik wrote:

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So in essence you're a one issue voter. That's hardly conservative. You're more associated with 'the moral majority' folk who corrupted Reagan's administration. Remember Ed Meese cracking down on 7-11 for selling that horrible porn such as Playboy or Penthouse?

Equating abortion with girlie mags as a moral issue is beyond ridiculous and you know it.
When single issue voting involves the literal shredding of over one million children per year in this nation, you bet I'm voting against it.

[Hugh Victor Thompson III]

Che Reagan Christ wrote:

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That, or it's defined by one's own persecution complex.

You lefties certainly wear a heavy wardrobe of that...

[6was9]

Kosmik wrote:

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Gee and you think giving away the budget surplus in the form of tax rebates and then cutting revenue while increasing spending massively didn't hurt anything.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/opinion/sun...

obama is the fellow you have been supporting here of late K.....

He has been the POTUS for 4 years!!!!!!!!
While I did not care for Bush, it is long past the statute of limitations on the blame Bush mantra of the radical left.

I am going to need some of your magic math to convince me that he is doing anything to solve fiscal problems........

In addition, he is getting ready to throw the constitution under the bus yet again and attempt to control the power over the debt ceiling.....

Meanwhile he is about to give somewhere between 12 to 22 million
illegal aliens amnesty to assure an ongoing Democrat majority.
As they are willing to work for less the construction union boys etc. can kiss their jobs good bye.
I by the way, own a union IBEW company and have for 25 years.....

His EPA is ramping up their war on fossil fuels so get ready for your utility bills to necessarily skyrocket........

heck what's not to love eh?

[Kosmik]

Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:

<quoted text>Equating abortion with girlie mags as a moral issue is beyond ridiculous and you know it.
When single issue voting involves the literal shredding of over one million children per year in this nation, you bet I'm voting against it.

I wasn't equating the two so much as to point out how far overboard those people took the party.

We've agreed to disagree on abortion, I don't see how it's a political issue. Much like civil unions or gay marriage. Forcing books like 'Why Susie Has Two Mommies' doesn't belong in public schools for general consumption either.

[Che Reagan Christ]

Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:

<quoted text>You lefties certainly wear a heavy wardrobe of that...

You are so full of hate, Fred. I can tell by your vocabulary and tone that you are very hateful. Why so much hate?

[Kosmik]

6was9 wrote:

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obama is the fellow you have been supporting here of late K.....
He has been the POTUS for 4 years!!!!!!!!
While I did not care for Bush, it is long past the statute of limitations on the blame Bush mantra of the radical left.
I am going to need some of your magic math to convince me that he is doing anything to solve fiscal problems........
In addition, he is getting ready to throw the constitution under the bus yet again and attempt to control the power over the debt ceiling.....
Meanwhile he is about to give somewhere between 12 to 22 million
illegal aliens amnesty to assure an ongoing Democrat majority.
As they are willing to work for less the construction union boys etc. can kiss their jobs good bye.
I by the way, own a union IBEW company and have for 25 years.....
His EPA is ramping up their war on fossil fuels so get ready for your utility bills to necessarily skyrocket........
heck what's not to love eh?

That's where you and George get into trouble with false assumptions. I supported Gary Johnson, he only got about a million votes. I didn't whine because realistically from reading polls it was assured Obama would be re-elected.

Spending bills originate in the House. Obama puts out a budget and Congress either accepts or rejects it. Who's been in control of the House for the past few years and how many bills cutting spending did they put forward? They put several tax cuts forward but less revenue at this time is unwise.

[Kosmik]

6was9 wrote:

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obama is the fellow you have been supporting here of late K.....
He has been the POTUS for 4 years!!!!!!!!
While I did not care for Bush, it is long past the statute of limitations on the blame Bush mantra of the radical left.
I am going to need some of your magic math to convince me that he is doing anything to solve fiscal problems........
In addition, he is getting ready to throw the constitution under the bus yet again and attempt to control the power over the debt ceiling.....
Meanwhile he is about to give somewhere between 12 to 22 million
illegal aliens amnesty to assure an ongoing Democrat majority.
As they are willing to work for less the construction union boys etc. can kiss their jobs good bye.
I by the way, own a union IBEW company and have for 25 years.....
His EPA is ramping up their war on fossil fuels so get ready for your utility bills to necessarily skyrocket........
heck what's not to love eh?

As long as the pain from Bush's debacles and the Republican Congress he had continues to harm the nation it's more than fair to lay the blame where it belongs. Without starting there, how can we backtrack to prosperity? Don't forget right after Bush was re-elected he went on a tear to get Social Security invested in Wall St. How many more billions or trillions do you think would have been robbed from the average retirement investor?

As far as amnesty, gee, didn't Reagan do the same thing? I've not heard anything credible about Obama doing such.

[Hugh Victor Thompson III]

Che Reagan Christ wrote:

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You are so full of hate, Fred. I can tell by your vocabulary and tone that you are very hateful. Why so much hate?

I only hate those who are willfully and in many cases gleefully trying to destroy this country. That includes a goodly number of leftists.
You leftists on the other hand hate the fact that we're daring to oppose you. Your ancient rants against talk radio while you control the MSM is a perfect example. Not a whole lot of respect for the First Amendment there, huh?
But where we really get fired up is your attempts to indoctrinate our kids into your anti-God, anti-American, anti-life, anti-success, anti-NORMAL views on what the human condition should be.
The tipping point is but months away after recent developments.