Why Do Republicans Lie?

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#286 Jan 2, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The liberals have ruined the world for you and nothing will ever be right again.
New day, same old tune.
Same day, same truth. Entitlement programs have bred a few generations of sluggards and torn the America family apart. Just look at the numbers of unwed mothers and individuals on assistance. Way back families had to depend on eachother and were the better for it.

As for ruining anything for me, no way. I'm responsible for myself and my own security and happiness and everything is very right in my life. I've never taken a hand out. I just work and pay for them like most people. Although the % is shrinking.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#287 Jan 2, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
Hey Bob.
I was simply asking whether your work has taken you into the home of a poor family lately. You never answered, but I'm gathering from your response that the answer to that question is "no".
I have been stuck with rentals for a period of my life, so I do have some sense of what happens from the prostitution to the drug dealing. Yes, I have been offered sex in lieu of rent. No, I would never do that - not the way I was raised and the money is far more of an aphrodisiac to me ... That $500 is worth far more to me than any ten second orgasm.

I also understand the flip side of it, which is health problems (often caused by puffing themselves to death with cancer sticks) and a general low level of IQ.

Bottom line, and I still say this ... remember the people in life whose idea of having a great time was getting drunk?("Oh, I'm gonna get drunk tonight.") People like me don't drink because we don't want to harm our productivity the next day. What you people have created is an entire class of people who think that way and live their lives that way, with "sex" as their idea of a great time.

It's gluttony, really.

And it goes back again to the bible being very correct on what the best way is to lead your life.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#288 Jan 2, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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Same day, same truth. Entitlement programs have bred a few generations of sluggards and torn the America family apart. Just look at the numbers of unwed mothers and individuals on assistance. Way back families had to depend on eachother and were the better for it.
As for ruining anything for me, no way. I'm responsible for myself and my own security and happiness and everything is very right in my life. I've never taken a hand out. I just work and pay for them like most people. Although the % is shrinking.
Even Raoul Castro gets it:

Impatient Raul Castro calls on Cubans “to clear our heads of ideological rigidity”

http://en.mercopress.com/2011/08/24/impa...l-...

Cuban President Raul Castro is increasingly impatient with the slow implementation of his economic reforms, which he publicly blames mostly on bureaucratic sloth and resistance to change.

In public statements, he has accused government cadres of laziness, corruption, neglect and ideological rigidity and has repeatedly urged them to reject old revolutionary dogma and embrace new ways of thinking.

“Let us clean our heads of foolishness of all kinds. Don't forget that the first decade of the 21st century has already passed, and it's time” he sternly told the National Assembly on August 1.

His more than 300 reforms, some already in place, but most still pending, will liberalize Cuba's struggling, Soviet-style economy by emphasizing greater private initiative, reducing subsidies, decentralizing government and slashing a million people from government payrolls.

The goal is to assure the future of Cuban communism after he and his elderly leadership team are gone.

While he has counselled patience in implementing the changes, he told the National Assembly that global economic problems required faster improvements.

“The biggest obstacle we confront ... is the psychological barrier formed by inertia, inflexibility, pretence or double standards, indifference and insensibility,” Castro said.

Last December, Castro spoke bluntly to the National Assembly about dishonesty among the ranks.

“We must struggle to eradicate once and for all lies and deceit from the cadres' behaviour at all levels,” he said.

He cited the three basic principles of the Inca civilization -- do not lie, do not steal and do not be lazy -- and said:“Those are correct principles aren't they? Let us try to bear them in mind.”

”I warn that all bureaucratic resistance to strict compliance (with the reforms) will be useless,“ he said.

”I have never been in favour of pressuring or of abrupt changes ... but faced with violations of the constitution ... there is no alternative but to resort to prosecutors and the courts, as we have already begun to do,” Castro said.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#289 Jan 2, 2013
Repeat:

He cited the three basic principles of the Inca civilization -- do not lie, do not steal and do not be lazy -- and said:“Those are correct principles aren't they? Let us try to bear them in mind.”

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Isn't this what the Bible says and what religion teaches?
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#290 Jan 2, 2013
Bob. I'm telling that there are poor people who don't match your theory.

I know you don't believe it, and never will.

Your derisive "you people" crap is truly a blot on the profession.

woof
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#291 Jan 2, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
Bob. I'm telling that there are poor people who don't match your theory.
I know you don't believe it, and never will.
Your derisive "you people" crap is truly a blot on the profession.
woof
I know that. There are always outliers. They may even be the majority. But there is no denying that at least 30%- 40% aren't that way, based on all the statistical measures our government keeps. That's a lot of people who will never be able to crawl out of their hole because someone doesn't think it should be in business to tell them how to live.

There is also one other thing you don't understand, and again it is rooted in the dynamic of human behavior.

It is one thing to force someone to take a parenting or some kind of basic life skills class and teach them these things from a secular, sanitized neutral perspective. There is simply no way to for people to connect the dots.

But when you grow up in an environment where those behaviors are sanctioned by God, those things you teach the young carry a lot more force.

That's why even the office pinko sends his kids to church. In fact he has even started going to a non-denominational church as well ... he actually likes it and I'm sure part of it is to set a good example for his kids.

I will repeat, I am not a holy roller. I look at church more like the Supreme Court or the ivory towers of academia. They are the keepers of the faith ... the social wisdom ... and are deserving of our supporting what has worked for millenia.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#292 Jan 2, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
Bob. I'm telling that there are poor people who don't match your theory.
I know you don't believe it, and never will.
Your derisive "you people" crap is truly a blot on the profession.
woof
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! !! That is rich coming from you!

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#293 Jan 2, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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I've gone into great detail about why communism wasn't sustainable, from the notion of taking assets from those most capable to shepherd and nurture them, to the notion of people not wanting to do any more than required because 1) they didn't benefit from the extra effort and 2) they didn't want to be considered suckers.
But the most destructive element you unleashed was by throwing out God and that nobody had any right to tell you that you weren't allowed to give in to your temptations. Be it sex, drugs, gambling, adultery, homosexuality ... your definition of "freedom" was to encourage people to engage in behavior that has ultimately destroyed them.
Engaging in the kind of sex you shouldn't engage in is no different than becoming addicted to drugs. That's why after you lefties started patting people on the heads and told them whitey has no right to judge you, the wheels fell off of society.
Don't put words in my mouth.

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#294 Jan 2, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>The Waltons didn't farm, Reader. They used their land for hunting and timber harvesting while running a sawmill.
I know that. The point, however, is that they had land. And most likely did some small-time farming in terms of their own food production.

Further, there were some major governmental thrusts that brought us out of the Depression. Some had to do with being the employer of last resort of those out of work, and some had to do with the provision of subsidies to dust bowl farmers willing to change to more ecologically-oriented methods--effectively restoring farmland in danger of being completely blow away.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#295 Jan 2, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Don't put words in my mouth.
We're out of chips and dip.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#296 Jan 2, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Don't put words in my mouth.
You seem to take these comments personally, but they are not directed at any one person. They are merely directed at the left's secular mindset and they must ring true if they bother you so much.

Prior to the 1960's much of this culture was rooted in Christianity, which is not too dissimilar from the values of any other religion. You and the progressives started agitating the courts and a lot of those social guardrails have been thrown out by the courts. What we now have is a culture that discourages delay of gratification, and we can see the results.

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#297 Jan 2, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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I know that. There are always outliers. They may even be the majority. But there is no denying that at least 30%- 40% aren't that way, based on all the statistical measures our government keeps. That's a lot of people who will never be able to crawl out of their hole because someone doesn't think it should be in business to tell them how to live.
There is also one other thing you don't understand, and again it is rooted in the dynamic of human behavior.
It is one thing to force someone to take a parenting or some kind of basic life skills class and teach them these things from a secular, sanitized neutral perspective. There is simply no way to for people to connect the dots.
But when you grow up in an environment where those behaviors are sanctioned by God, those things you teach the young carry a lot more force.
That's why even the office pinko sends his kids to church. In fact he has even started going to a non-denominational church as well ... he actually likes it and I'm sure part of it is to set a good example for his kids.
I will repeat, I am not a holy roller. I look at church more like the Supreme Court or the ivory towers of academia. They are the keepers of the faith ... the social wisdom ... and are deserving of our supporting what has worked for millenia.
Yeah, Bob likes for there to BE and church, and for others to go, he just doesn't want to be bothered about it himself.

In fact, something that came out of the progressive movement was the notion of "home visiting" to teach a variety things primarily related to health and behavior. Every now and again someone reapplies the research and we get some programmatic emphasis on nurses making home visits to the mothers of newborns (among the measureable impacts is the ability to delay or prevent a second teenage or unwed birth), or social workers providing parenting assistance.

Uri Bronfenbrenner looked at this specifically back in the 1960s, developing some theory around it having to do with spheres of influence. The learning was more effective in the parent's sphere of influence. Further, as children go off to school, the more overlap between home and school the more "developmental" the school environment is. This is why schools that see themselves as little islands (or moated castles) whose purpose is to "save" children from the influence of their parents and communities are seldom very effective.

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#298 Jan 2, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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You seem to take these comments personally, but they are not directed at any one person. They are merely directed at the left's secular mindset and they must ring true if they bother you so much.
Prior to the 1960's much of this culture was rooted in Christianity, which is not too dissimilar from the values of any other religion. You and the progressives started agitating the courts and a lot of those social guardrails have been thrown out by the courts. What we now have is a culture that discourages delay of gratification, and we can see the results.
Well, you responded to my comment, and there were a lot of "yous" in your response.

Further, you completely misunderstand most of what I believe, understand and act on, and you really don't understand very much about progressivism either.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#299 Jan 2, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Yeah, Bob likes for there to BE and church, and for others to go, he just doesn't want to be bothered about it himself.
As I explained to you before, Eastern Europeans mill in and out of their village church. They come in, light a candle, make the sign of a cross, say a prayer for their deceased family members, and leave.

It's hard to explain because you Protestants are so structured. You feel a need to be there at a certain time, listen to the sermon, derive some meaning from it. For me, church is in my heart and in my home. It is a lifestyle more than what some priest or preacher tells you to do.

That is the institution that keeps it alive, just like supporting Ohio State keeps our local keepers of knowledge alive. And all the funny robes and traditions are what keeps the institution alive from generation to generation, as opposed to Rod Parsley's church which will probably die along with him.

Read something about what happens during church services in Russia and you can see why I have the mentality that I have.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#300 Jan 2, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Well, you responded to my comment, and there were a lot of "yous" in your response.
Further, you completely misunderstand most of what I believe, understand and act on, and you really don't understand very much about progressivism either.
No I do not. I believe you are a Christian lady and your heart is in the right place - I just believe that you can't get through your head what is plainly obvious to anybody who understands demographics and statistics: THE LAST 50 YEARS HAS BEEN AN UTTER DISASTER.

This wouldn't have happened if people continued to follow a more traditional way of life.

I grew up in a strict home - more strict than most Americans. Thinking back ... did I really miss out on anything? Okay, so I didn't get to date as early as people I went to school with? So? I have a pretty sweet life and I believe a big reason for it is because of having come from that background.

Better put in words people might understand: No pain, no gain. or Pain early ... gain later.

This is lost on most people these days from what I see.
Spookishere F trolls

Detroit, MI

#301 Jan 2, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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As I explained to you before, Eastern Europeans mill in and out of their village church. They come in, light a candle, make the sign of a cross, say a prayer for their deceased family members, and leave.
It's hard to explain because you Protestants are so structured. You feel a need to be there at a certain time, listen to the sermon, derive some meaning from it. For me, church is in my heart and in my home. It is a lifestyle more than what some priest or preacher tells you to do.
That is the institution that keeps it alive, just like supporting Ohio State keeps our local keepers of knowledge alive. And all the funny robes and traditions are what keeps the institution alive from generation to generation, as opposed to Rod Parsley's church which will probably die along with him.
Read something about what happens during church services in Russia and you can see why I have the mentality that I have.
Yes but when Rock'n Rod dies eventually there will be another like him come along. I will give Rod credit unlike Russel Johnson and some others he was not afraid to speak opening even when there was not a pulpit to hide behind.
Pale Rider

AOL

#302 Jan 2, 2013
Why does the GOP have such disdain minorities"

The G.O.P. is predominantly a all white party of evangelical protestants therefor they constantly use fear of the "other" to gin up votes from people who aren't evangelicals.

In the 1960's it was fear of blacks.

In the 1970's it was the "yellow peril" (fear of an influx of Asians).

In the 1980's it became "we have to keep the dirty Mexican's out".

While in last 20 years they've been going back and forth between fear of gays and fear of hispanics.

You just can't have a radical nativist party unless you're ginning up fear of people who come from different places or even people who come from the same place but don't look like you.

That's why the GOP is always defining white rednecks as "real Americans" but trying to say the half black President is really a dirty foreigner; claiming he wasn't born in the US, claiming he is really a secret Muslim, claiming he is really a terrorist, and all sorts of other stupid things.

Of course the much simpler but equally correct way to state it is that Republicans are bigots. They know their party only gets votes from white people so that's why they're always trying to keep nonwhites out of the country and to prevent citizens who are not white from voting.

It's the only way they can stay competitive so they become bigots.
Smoke that Right Wing Nuts.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#303 Jan 2, 2013
Pale Rider wrote:
Why does the GOP have such disdain minorities"
The G.O.P. is predominantly a all white party of evangelical protestants therefor they constantly use fear of the "other" to gin up votes from people who aren't evangelicals.
In the 1960's it was fear of blacks.
In the 1970's it was the "yellow peril" (fear of an influx of Asians).
In the 1980's it became "we have to keep the dirty Mexican's out".
While in last 20 years they've been going back and forth between fear of gays and fear of hispanics.
You just can't have a radical nativist party unless you're ginning up fear of people who come from different places or even people who come from the same place but don't look like you.
That's why the GOP is always defining white rednecks as "real Americans" but trying to say the half black President is really a dirty foreigner; claiming he wasn't born in the US, claiming he is really a secret Muslim, claiming he is really a terrorist, and all sorts of other stupid things.
Of course the much simpler but equally correct way to state it is that Republicans are bigots. They know their party only gets votes from white people so that's why they're always trying to keep nonwhites out of the country and to prevent citizens who are not white from voting.
It's the only way they can stay competitive so they become bigots.
Smoke that Right Wing Nuts.
You are definitely a victim of the public schools, kid.
The KKK was founded by and made up of DEMOCRATS for over 100 years until it faded into obscurity.
The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed by more REPUBLICANS than Democrats.
I suggest you look at lower class white Democrats if you want to see real racism. Then take a look at the racist blacks who are hailed as "leaders"...foul specimens like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.
VADoc

Aiken, SC

#304 Jan 2, 2013
Pale Rider wrote:
Why does the GOP have such disdain minorities"
The G.O.P. is predominantly a all white party of evangelical protestants therefor they constantly use fear of the "other" to gin up votes from people who aren't evangelicals.
In the 1960's it was fear of blacks.
In the 1970's it was the "yellow peril" (fear of an influx of Asians).
In the 1980's it became "we have to keep the dirty Mexican's out".
While in last 20 years they've been going back and forth between fear of gays and fear of hispanics.
You just can't have a radical nativist party unless you're ginning up fear of people who come from different places or even people who come from the same place but don't look like you.
That's why the GOP is always defining white rednecks as "real Americans" but trying to say the half black President is really a dirty foreigner; claiming he wasn't born in the US, claiming he is really a secret Muslim, claiming he is really a terrorist, and all sorts of other stupid things.
Of course the much simpler but equally correct way to state it is that Republicans are bigots. They know their party only gets votes from white people so that's why they're always trying to keep nonwhites out of the country and to prevent citizens who are not white from voting.
It's the only way they can stay competitive so they become bigots.
Smoke that Right Wing Nuts.
Because buying votes through giving out government freebies is a noble way to grow your political party?

I have qualms with any race, sexual orientation, or religion as long as they work hard and are legal citizens of this country and contribute to the system. Anything less then you do not garner my respect.

I have actually a lot of respect for even die hard liberals and have worked with quite a few of them working in the university setting before, but the difference is they all worked hard and paid their fair share.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#305 Jan 2, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Well, you responded to my comment, and there were a lot of "yous" in your response.
Just about every other sentence.

woof

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