Teacher fired over religious views in classroom.

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“Bee Hive Jive”

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Nov 20, 2013
 
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local...

What do you think?
Should he have been fired?
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Nov 20, 2013
 
BizzyBee wrote:
http://www.dispatch.com/conten t/stories/local/2013/11/19/111 9-freshwater-firing-upheld.htm l
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Should he have been fired?
Absolutely.

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Nov 20, 2013
 
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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so we should also fire all the communists in schools because it is offensive to Christians?

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BizzyBee wrote:
http://www.dispatch.com/conten t/stories/local/2013/11/19/111 9-freshwater-firing-upheld.htm l
What do you think?
Should he have been fired?
Of course.

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Nov 20, 2013
 
If I had children in school today, I would not want any religious beliefs related to my children in the classroom.
In today's society, there are so many diverse students and religions it is not in the best interest of any teacher to impose their own beliefs unto the students.(Unless of course it is a private religious school)

In the article, it stated parents of a student sued for showing the sign of the cross with an instrument. A bit drastic and ridiculous.The school had to use taxpayers monies for the court case.
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BizzyBee wrote:
If I had children in school today, I would not want any religious beliefs related to my children in the classroom.
In today's society, there are so many diverse students and religions it is not in the best interest of any teacher to impose their own beliefs unto the students.(Unless of course it is a private religious school)
In the article, it stated parents of a student sued for showing the sign of the cross with an instrument. A bit drastic and ridiculous.The school had to use taxpayers monies for the court case.
Not "showing the sign of the cross with an instrument." He burned a cross onto a kid's arm. The guy is on click removed from a shooting rampage.

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Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Not "showing the sign of the cross with an instrument." He burned a cross onto a kid's arm. The guy is on click removed from a shooting rampage.
"Since the mid-1990s, Freshwater had asked permission to introduce religious topics in the classroom. In late 2007 a student alleged that Freshwater marked a religious cross on his arm with a science instrument. The boy’s parents sued, prompting the school board to fire Freshwater."

I didn't catch the word burn.....

If he did in fact burn the kid' s arm, then the parents did have the right to sue!
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BizzyBee wrote:
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"Since the mid-1990s, Freshwater had asked permission to introduce religious topics in the classroom. In late 2007 a student alleged that Freshwater marked a religious cross on his arm with a science instrument. The boy’s parents sued, prompting the school board to fire Freshwater."
I didn't catch the word burn.....
If he did in fact burn the kid' s arm, then the parents did have the right to sue!
That's exactly what he did. The family got a $450,000 settlement from the board.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/256381

http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2010/10/2...

http://www.cbsnews.com/crimesider/...

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Reality Speaks wrote:
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so we should also fire all the communists in schools because it is offensive to Christians?
The US and Ohio Constitutions don't permit the endorsement of Christianity by publicly funded teachers or staff in public schools.

This is really not a difficult concept. Poor Mr. Freshwater would be better served by pursuing a career in ministry.

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The US constitution has a 1st amendment prohibition of promoting religion laid on fedgov and stategov, not on localgov.

Leftists and neocons fashioned the current misinterpretation because it services their national socialist diversity scheme.
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The leaders of the national diversity victim cult are hostile to christianity for 2 reasons:

Queer diversity leaders are hostile because the bible condemns sodomy and fornication and abortion. Queers are essentially defined by their advocacy of sodomy and elective abortion, in opposition to christian teaching.

Jewish diversity leaders are hostile because the bible says they were responsible for christ's death, and they fear repercussions.
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Luanne wrote:
The US constitution has a 1st amendment prohibition of promoting religion laid on fedgov and stategov, not on localgov.
Leftists and neocons fashioned the current misinterpretation because it services their national socialist diversity scheme.
Ummm...the 14th Amendment is still in operation and viable, and does indeed impose 1st Amendment restrictions upon a local government's ability to endorse religion.

And I think if you look into the matter a little bit deeper you will find that local governments are political subdivisions of the States.

You really don't know what you are talking about.

Of course, the Mt Vernon school board may have just had an extra $450,000 laying around that they decided they didn't need, considering that they spent only $900,000 defending themselves against Mr. Freshwater's Bible pimping frivolity.

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Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Not "showing the sign of the cross with an instrument." He burned a cross onto a kid's arm. The guy is on click removed from a shooting rampage.
thanks for the reminder of the individual.

he is unfit for teaching in my opinion, and should be fired.

can't believe that I thanked you for a schooling. I must be slipping.
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I didn't read where he inserted his beliefs into the curriculum. All he did was have his personal Bible on his desk.

If that was the case I'd say no he should not have been fired.

I guess you could be fired for having your copy of Guns and Ammo on your desk too.

The question is would they have fired him if he had a copy of the Koran on his desk as his personal reading material or the Torah.

Did I miss something in the article? What was the offense to having a Bible on your desk?

Have we reached such low levels that people are offended by the presence of a religious symbol and it is used to destroy a career?

Most people would assume he was of some Christian belief simply because he exists. Would this also apply to a person who wore a Yamaka.
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Photos of people in prayer? Could not they apply to any religion.

Stop making the sign of the cross after a touchdown or kneeling or remove the coach for allowing it.
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Nov 20, 2013
 
Conservative wrote:
I didn't read where he inserted his beliefs into the curriculum. All he did was have his personal Bible on his desk.
If that was the case I'd say no he should not have been fired.
I guess you could be fired for having your copy of Guns and Ammo on your desk too.
The question is would they have fired him if he had a copy of the Koran on his desk as his personal reading material or the Torah.
Did I miss something in the article? What was the offense to having a Bible on your desk?
Have we reached such low levels that people are offended by the presence of a religious symbol and it is used to destroy a career?
Most people would assume he was of some Christian belief simply because he exists. Would this also apply to a person who wore a Yamaka.
If you'd like to read about the facts, here you go:

http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/rod/docs/pdf/0/...

The Court never reached the Constitutional issues, and the case was decided on employment contract principles/law. He was fired for numerous acts of insubordination over a period of time stretching over fifteen years.

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/3319.16

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He doesn't appear to have been fired for his religious beliefs, he was fired for committing assault and costing the taxpayers in court.

The other First Amendment rulings regarding books from the school library and posters funded by the school, appear wrong. That's institutional hypocrisy.

And it's not surprising to see the forum left desiring the guy be fired just for being a non-PC Christian.

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Conservative wrote:
Photos of people in prayer? Could not they apply to any religion.
Stop making the sign of the cross after a touchdown or kneeling or remove the coach for allowing it.
In today's world, with everyone protesting about EVERYTHING, that doesn't fit in their life style and or beliefs, political correctness has run amuck!

What I don't agree with is when the government enables this and kisses the asses of the protesters.
Wrong or right, we can not be enablers to those who are a threat to our country,freedom and constitutional rights.

Everything is taken to the enth degree anymore. Don't like something? Throw a tantrum. This has become a country of whiners,laziness, and cheaters.
Read between the lines.
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He doesn't appear to have been fired for his religious beliefs, he was fired for committing assault and costing the taxpayers in court.
The other First Amendment rulings regarding books from the school library and posters funded by the school, appear wrong. That's institutional hypocrisy.
And it's not surprising to see the forum left desiring the guy be fired just for being a non-PC Christian.
Read the recitation of the facts in Court's opinion, link posted above.

You are quite mistaken. He was fired for repeated insubordination, the basis of which was the repeated insertion of his own religious beliefs into the science curriculum that he was directed to teach his students, contrary to board policy. He did it numerous times, despite being warned in writing numerous times not to do so.

He got exactly what he deserved, and his idiocy cost the taxpayers in the MVSD well over a million dollars.

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BizzyBee wrote:
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In today's world, with everyone protesting about EVERYTHING, that doesn't fit in their life style and or beliefs, political correctness has run amuck!
What I don't agree with is when the government enables this and kisses the asses of the protesters.
Wrong or right, we can not be enablers to those who are a threat to our country,freedom and constitutional rights.
Everything is taken to the enth degree anymore. Don't like something? Throw a tantrum. This has become a country of whiners,laziness, and cheaters.
Read between the lines.
The "tantrum" in this instance was the passive aggressive actions of Mr. Freshwater, not the acts of the parents who complained.

Read the opinion.

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