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Women are the largest faction of diversity, a national victim cult, receiving Affirmative Action.
As such women are not a minority, nor is the diversity collective a minority. Referring to diversity people as minorities is an ignorant deception.
Yes, but it's been used to by both libs and conserv for at least 50 years, and its continued use has the nation believing that whites Christian males are still a majority when in a actuality they are not.

Conservatives must have a learning curve problem because they keep getting beat election after election by the same tactics and no one in the GOP is wise enough to discontinue using that terminology.
That is why Affirmative Action is going to continue because it actually helps liberal women in their fight against the white Christian male power structure, that suppress the freedoms of certain groups who don't agree with the Judeo/ Christian ideology that permeates the Republican party.

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<quoted text> Yes, but it's been used to by both libs and conserv for at least 50 years, and its continued use has the nation believing that whites Christian males are still a majority when in a actuality they are not.
Conservatives must have a learning curve problem because they keep getting beat election after election by the same tactics and no one in the GOP is wise enough to discontinue using that terminology.
That is why Affirmative Action is going to continue because it actually helps liberal women in their fight against the white Christian male power structure, that suppress the freedoms of certain groups who don't agree with the Judeo/ Christian ideology that permeates the Republican party.
Conservatives, for the most part, have strong morals. Democrats, for the most part, do not. Democrats then to be uneducated, lazy and dishonest. Women are stupid also, there is no war against women. Just another silly, conjured up message from the Obama Administration. You can obtain the pill or an abortion. Conservatives just say pay for it yourself. What about alcoholics, should we pay for their alcohol? Drug addicts, should we pay for their drugs. Pay for it yourself. Don't owe a democrat a thing. Democrats would feel better about themselves, if they were self-sufficient. Affirmative Action, another stupid program, injecting people who are not qualified and lowering standards, pure garbage.

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<quoted text>Hard work is the answer, right? You mean the back breaking work that room service workers do in the Hotel business and make eight dollars an hour. Or the lettuce picking immigrant who works from 6:30am to 7:30pm and makes three dollars an hour, or the average warehouse associate who stacks boxes on pallets for hours and makes ten an hour with zero benefits. Doesn't look like hard work is all that rewarding to me.
You should try hard work, you would feel better about yourself. That lettuce picking, probably an illegal, could go back to their native country and make 10 cents an hour.

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You should try hard work, you would feel better about yourself. That lettuce picking, probably an illegal, could go back to their native country and make 10 cents an hour.
I don't think you quite understand my history or background. Your ideal of "hard work" is an outdated 1950's concept that propelled majority of whites who had either a high school diploma, or something less than that, into the middle class economic rung, by employment in the factories, construction industry, and manufacturing endeavors. That thinking in this day is a fools thinking. Breaking ones back will get you no where fast unless it's an six month unemployment check, SNAP for a year, and a COTA bus ticket. Hard workers are not rewarded, they're used!

My dad had it right, during Korea he noticed that the Black US soldiers were never fairly rewarded for their hard work ethic monetarily, no ,no,no...they were rewarded with sore backs, ache muscles and a short employment span. He told himself that he'd never work hard...but work smart! A novice ideal, huh! You see, certain whites love to see Blacks work hard because they know it'll get them no where.

So my dad worked smarter. And because of that he created a successful Black owned business here and had an income of over 150k in the 1970's personal income. So, when a white male ask me,"You working hard, Wise"? I say, "Hell No, I'm working smart, hard work is for suckers" ! And they usually laugh and shake their heads smiling.

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Conservatives, for the most part, have strong morals. Democrats, for the most part, do not. Democrats then to be uneducated, lazy and dishonest. Women are stupid also, there is no war against women. Just another silly, conjured up message from the Obama Administration. You can obtain the pill or an abortion. Conservatives just say pay for it yourself. What about alcoholics, should we pay for their alcohol? Drug addicts, should we pay for their drugs. Pay for it yourself. Don't owe a democrat a thing. Democrats would feel better about themselves, if they were self-sufficient. Affirmative Action, another stupid program, injecting people who are not qualified and lowering standards, pure garbage.
Sorry someone brainwashed you into believing A.A. requires a company to hire the lest competent Black person for the job. I'd just like for you to not fly in a plane if the pilot is African American, or select a different orthopaedic or coronary surgeon if they are Black and were hired because they law prevented an employer from not hiring them because of their skin tone. So, don't get that surgery or board that plane if the person with the medical device or sitting in the cockpit are Blaaaack!
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<quoted text> Yes, but it's been used to by both libs and conserv for at least 50 years, and its continued use has the nation believing that whites Christian males are still a majority when in a actuality they are not.
Conservatives must have a learning curve problem because they keep getting beat election after election by the same tactics and no one in the GOP is wise enough to discontinue using that terminology.
That is why Affirmative Action is going to continue because it actually helps liberal women in their fight against the white Christian male power structure, that suppress the freedoms of certain groups who don't agree with the Judeo/ Christian ideology that permeates the Republican party.
The 2-party system is a false choice of alternatives.

If the 2-party system were following the US constitution, there would be no need for an alternative party.

Judeo-christianity is an invention of bible fundamentalist.

People who follow the morality of the OT are basically evil, and it shows in the politics of the neocons.
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<quoted text> Sorry someone brainwashed you into believing A.A. requires a company to hire the lest competent Black person for the job. I'd just like for you to not fly in a plane if the pilot is African American, or select a different orthopaedic or coronary surgeon if they are Black and were hired because they law prevented an employer from not hiring them because of their skin tone. So, don't get that surgery or board that plane if the person with the medical device or sitting in the cockpit are Blaaaack!
AA requires gov specified quotas and timetables for hiring diversity people.

AA lowers standards for hiring people, especially diversity people.

Gov jobs have very elaborate AA EEO policies.

Corporations are rewarded for practicing AA with tax incentives and preferential gov contracts. AA includes set-aside gov contracts for diversity people. The ACA website failure is a result of a diversity set-aside contract.
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Georgia wrote:
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The 2-party system is a false choice of alternatives.
If the 2-party system were following the US constitution, there would be no need for an alternative party.
Judeo-christianity is an invention of bible fundamentalist.
People who follow the morality of the OT are basically evil, and it shows in the politics of the neocons.
I agree with that. The two party system works great for those who're benefited the most thru political donations and career promises after leaving office. Have you ever seen their benefits after being in Congress? They, and not the voting public, wrote their own packages. And we cannot change or alter them. That's tyranny! Glen Beck and Mike Levin need to harp on that being the real tyranny.
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/co...
We're paying these sleeze balls to gut us.

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AA requires gov specified quotas and timetables for hiring diversity people.
AA lowers standards for hiring people, especially diversity people.
Gov jobs have very elaborate AA EEO policies.
Corporations are rewarded for practicing AA with tax incentives and preferential gov contracts. AA includes set-aside gov contracts for diversity people. The ACA website failure is a result of a diversity set-aside contract.
See, it's the SYSTEM that's been the issue since this county's inception. Whites favor a system that largely benefits them and their children, and Blacks want a system that doesn't favor whites just because they're white. So we have conflicts over what is fair or what is equal.
According to some whites, Asians are deemed better educated than the average Bob and Jane suburban couple, and by that standard Asians should be on top of every single parameter of what is considered success in this country. They are not, and there's a reason why European control and dominance of everything that is needed to master a society and empire.
The Asians are said to be better mathematicians, more disciplined, use less alcohol or drugs, are in better shape, have natural business acumen, YET we are constantly told that those' gifts' should propel a group forward by meritocracy. But we know that's just hype. Everything is not based on hard work, meritocracy, or good luck but rather belonging to the "group" who holds the reigns of a society and country. No, it is not the intellectual endeavors of whites that keep them in power but the threat of turning the world into a burning melted inferno of destruction id their' authority' is challenged on a global level. Everyone on the planet knows this but few have the balls to admit it at the UN.

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<quoted text> Sorry someone brainwashed you into believing A.A. requires a company to hire the lest competent Black person for the job. I'd just like for you to not fly in a plane if the pilot is African American, or select a different orthopaedic or coronary surgeon if they are Black and were hired because they law prevented an employer from not hiring them because of their skin tone. So, don't get that surgery or board that plane if the person with the medical device or sitting in the cockpit are Blaaaack!
I didn't mention job, did I? Guess you concluded incorrectly. When Blacks gain entry to medical school, law school for example, over someone with higher grades, yes, that is wrong. It should not matter what color you are, higher grades should be the deciding factor. Who wants an idiot for a doctor or lawyer? No, I do not want a surgeon or pilot that entered a program because of the color of their skin. I want the best, the brightest! Not an idiot!

Now, take a look at Columbus, since you mentioned jobs and race. Idiot, Mayor Coleman, lowers standards, repeatedly, to get candidates of color. He is a loser and so is Columbus. If you cannot pass a simple entry level test and have to have an easier one to pass, it is not right. And, it is even worse, when Coleman continually lowers standards and still cannot recruit people of color or whatever you want to call it.

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<quoted text> See, it's the SYSTEM that's been the issue since this county's inception. Whites favor a system that largely benefits them and their children, and Blacks want a system that doesn't favor whites just because they're white. So we have conflicts over what is fair or what is equal.
According to some whites, Asians are deemed better educated than the average Bob and Jane suburban couple, and by that standard Asians should be on top of every single parameter of what is considered success in this country. They are not, and there's a reason why European control and dominance of everything that is needed to master a society and empire.
The Asians are said to be better mathematicians, more disciplined, use less alcohol or drugs, are in better shape, have natural business acumen, YET we are constantly told that those' gifts' should propel a group forward by meritocracy. But we know that's just hype. Everything is not based on hard work, meritocracy, or good luck but rather belonging to the "group" who holds the reigns of a society and country. No, it is not the intellectual endeavors of whites that keep them in power but the threat of turning the world into a burning melted inferno of destruction id their' authority' is challenged on a global level. Everyone on the planet knows this but few have the balls to admit it at the UN.
You forgot the crime rate with Asians. They typically don't kill each other!

You know what they say, if you don't like it, leave.

Why should people lower their standards to make you happy? I don't think so. Time to be self-sufficient and quit blaming others for your failure to thrive!

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You forgot the crime rate with Asians. They typically don't kill each other!
You know what they say, if you don't like it, leave.
Why should people lower their standards to make you happy? I don't think so. Time to be self-sufficient and quit blaming others for your failure to thrive!
Asians do kill each other, you're very isolated, aren't you? Ever heard of the Tongs or Yakuza, or the more than 100 different Asian gangs from every ethnic asian group. They keep local law enforcement out of their communities as much as possible. And their people are afraid to talk to police.

Anyway, if Blacks did do those things that are needed to be viable and successful ona massive scale, there would be an attempt to limit their rise by various concerned groups who're afraid of Black Progress.

http://www.ebony.com/black-history/the-destru...

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I didn't mention job, did I? Guess you concluded incorrectly. When Blacks gain entry to medical school, law school for example, over someone with higher grades, yes, that is wrong. It should not matter what color you are, higher grades should be the deciding factor. Who wants an idiot for a doctor or lawyer? No, I do not want a surgeon or pilot that entered a program because of the color of their skin. I want the best, the brightest! Not an idiot!
Now, take a look at Columbus, since you mentioned jobs and race. Idiot, Mayor Coleman, lowers standards, repeatedly, to get candidates of color. He is a loser and so is Columbus. If you cannot pass a simple entry level test and have to have an easier one to pass, it is not right. And, it is even worse, when Coleman continually lowers standards and still cannot recruit people of color or whatever you want to call it.
You've been programmed to believe that one's ability to perform a task has to do with rather they passed some abstract test that more than likely has little or no bearing on the job or job performance.

Everything in life is not predicated on a test! I worked for a guy years ago who was test savvy but had no clue what to do when his ass was given a task to complete. I admit he could out 'test' me, if I didn't prepare, but in actually doing the job he was not as knowledgeable with hands on. So when you say that a test should be the final determining factor in getting a position, you totally are clueless in the various ways that individuals learn and retain the knowledge. You are a result of the modern 'egg headed' learning method, that falsely equates test taking with job performance. You're what's wrong with the educational system in America.

Blacks who are 'assisted' with the help of A.A. knows that it only helps to get one in the door, not cover them for incompetence. I don't care how good a grade a white guy scored on his medical exam, if the guy can't perform a surgery with steady hands and competence, I don't want him in my operating room.
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AA is another law that keeps the minorities down. Any rule that makes people do anything usually hurts the people it is intended to help.

Welfare, Food Stamps, Medicaid, Section 8 you name it, the intent is good but instead it creates generational dependency on a govt that doesn't represent you, they use you.

Illegal immigrants have come to America and been fairly successful doing work many American's won't do. You give them the same benefits as American's and you will see a change in their work ethic over time.

My point is everyone should contribute. If you want the best job be the best candidate. After being in the workforce for 30+ years, I have never seen a company hire based on race. They want the best candidate regardless of the color of their skin.
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Whites are afraid of dark-skinned blacks. The lighter their skin color the more they are excepted. Do you really think Obama would have been elected if he had been dark-skinned? Whites have not forgotten that they were the ones who enslaved them, and they still fear retaliation, therefore they keep pushing them back more than any other race. As long as they can keep sending blacks to prison, in every way possible, and destroying the family unit, mission accomplished. Whites commit more crimes, but blacks are convicted more than whites.
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Whites are afraid of dark-skinned blacks. The lighter their skin color the more they are excepted. Do you really think Obama would have been elected if he had been dark-skinned? Whites have not forgotten that they were the ones who enslaved them, and they still fear retaliation, therefore they keep pushing them back more than any other race. As long as they can keep sending blacks to prison, in every way possible, and destroying the family unit, mission accomplished. Whites commit more crimes, but blacks are convicted more than whites.
Some whites are afraid of blacks youths in feral gangs.

Some feral black teens are practising for when they are adults, and do the big-boy crimes that justifiably land them in prison.

You have no credible data to justify your opinion of violent crime conviction rates. You repeat a self-serving urban ghetto myth.
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It’s a heartbreaking, but often understated, reality that America’s criminal justice system imprisons black folks at astonishingly high rates. The U.S. Bureau of Justice estimated that as of 2008, there were over 846,000 black men in prison, making up 40.2 percent of all inmates in the system. But in a recent talk, noted author Michelle Alexander put those numbers in grave historical perspective.

“More African American men are in prison or jail, on probation or parole than were enslaved in 1850, before the Civil War began,” Alexander, an Ohio State law professor, recently told listeners at the Pasadena Branch of the American Civil Liberties Union.

Alexander’s seminal book,“The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness” argues that prisons have become the latest form of economic and social disenfranchisement for young folks of color, particularly black men. In it, she grapples with a central question: If crime rates have fluctuated over the years and are now at historical lows, then why have rates of incarcerated men of color skyrocketed over the past 30 years?

The answer to that question doesn’t require a lot of digging.

“Most of that increase is due to the War on Drugs, a war waged almost exclusively in poor communities of color,” she said. LA Progressive reported that even though studies have proven that whites use and sell illegal drugs at rates equal to or higher than black, four of five black youth in some inner-city communities can expect to be incarcerated in their lifetimes.
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n an interview with Washington Journal, Alexander said:

Once labeled a felon, you can be subjected to all forms of discrimination that once applied to African-Americans during the Jim Crow era. You may be denied the right to vote, you’re automatically excluded from juries, and you’re legally discriminated against in employment, housing, access to education, and public benefits, relegated to a second-class status much like… your parents or grandparents may have been…

Alexander’s research shows that seventy percent of past black men who are released from return within years. It’s a trend we’ve seen play out recently during the fallout from former HBO series star Felicia “Snoop” Pearson’s drug arrest last week, which unravels the high black recidivism rates and the discrimination they face in seeking employment after being released. Take a look at those startling numbers here.

What results from this form of mass incarceration? As we saw during last fall’s elections, millions of America’s black voters have been disenfranchised. An estimated 5.3 million Americans have currently or permanently lost their right to vote because of felony convictions. But for black men, the rate is seven times the national average. These numbers are sure to take on even more significance as the 2012 campaign season kicks into high gear.http://colorlines.com/arc hives/2011/03/prison_system_ho lds_more_black_men_than_slaver y_did.html

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n an interview with Washington Journal, Alexander said:
Once labeled a felon, you can be subjected to all forms of discrimination that once applied to African-Americans during the Jim Crow era. You may be denied the right to vote, you’re automatically excluded from juries, and you’re legally discriminated against in employment, housing, access to education, and public benefits, relegated to a second-class status much like… your parents or grandparents may have been…
Alexander’s research shows that seventy percent of past black men who are released from return within years. It’s a trend we’ve seen play out recently during the fallout from former HBO series star Felicia “Snoop” Pearson’s drug arrest last week, which unravels the high black recidivism rates and the discrimination they face in seeking employment after being released. Take a look at those startling numbers here.
What results from this form of mass incarceration? As we saw during last fall’s elections, millions of America’s black voters have been disenfranchised. An estimated 5.3 million Americans have currently or permanently lost their right to vote because of felony convictions. But for black men, the rate is seven times the national average. These numbers are sure to take on even more significance as the 2012 campaign season kicks into high gear.http://colorlines.com/arc hives/2011/03/prison_system_ho lds_more_black_men_than_slaver y_did.html
The typical response will be, "don't do crime and you have no issues" or "no one made them do it" and "delayed gratification will prevent a lot of bad decisions" also," Be more like Clarence Thomas and Herman Cain, who practice Judeo/ Christian morality". Did that cover it?
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It’s a heartbreaking, but often understated, reality that America’s criminal justice system imprisons black folks at astonishingly high rates. The U.S. Bureau of Justice estimated that as of 2008, there were over 846,000 black men in prison, making up 40.2 percent of all inmates in the system. But in a recent talk, noted author Michelle Alexander put those numbers in grave historical perspective.
“More African American men are in prison or jail, on probation or parole than were enslaved in 1850, before the Civil War began,” Alexander, an Ohio State law professor, recently told listeners at the Pasadena Branch of the American Civil Liberties Union.
Alexander’s seminal book,“The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness” argues that prisons have become the latest form of economic and social disenfranchisement for young folks of color, particularly black men. In it, she grapples with a central question: If crime rates have fluctuated over the years and are now at historical lows, then why have rates of incarcerated men of color skyrocketed over the past 30 years?
The answer to that question doesn’t require a lot of digging.
“Most of that increase is due to the War on Drugs, a war waged almost exclusively in poor communities of color,” she said. LA Progressive reported that even though studies have proven that whites use and sell illegal drugs at rates equal to or higher than black, four of five black youth in some inner-city communities can expect to be incarcerated in their lifetimes.
You still haven't provided valid data.

You have to show from a credible source that blacks are convicted at a higher rate PER CAPITA of their population versus whites when prosecuted for the exact same crime.

That was your original claim, put into a correct perspective.

You obviously have a problem with current drug laws.

Get the drug laws changed if you don't like the laws impact on black people. Drug laws deal more harshly with drug dealers than drug users. Many urban blacks are participating in the drug trade for money, not just using drugs. A dead giveaway is any fool that displays a poster of Tony Montana from the movie Scarface.

Some blacks complain of the discrepancy of prison sentencing for powdered cocaine versus crack cocaine. The discrepancy is due to fedgov meddling instigated by black leaders, who demanded and received longer sentences for crack dealers. Crack is an illegal drug preferred by urban blacks.

An article written by a newspaper columnist selling rags is not a credible source.

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