Female

Chillicothe, OH

#74 Apr 26, 2014
Cliven Bundy is a seditious liar, not a patriot
4/23/2014 7:00am by Becca Morn 111 Comments


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As a resident of the American Southwest — New Mexico to be exact — I’ve become familiar with complicated interplay of federally-owned lands, the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), state lands, reservations, and even this interesting notion of ‘land grants’ which sometimes date back to before there were states in this part of the country.

We also have more than our share of radical libertarians and wingnuts. So I’ve been watching the Cliven Bundy situation in Nevada with a fair amount of interest because all of these elements are in play.

Long story short: Bundy is not the states-rights patriot he claims to be, but appears to be a law-breaking liar who has — quite literally — said he doesn’t believe in the legitimacy of the United States government. Not just since a black man became President, but EVER.

Pretty much the opposite of ‘patriot’ in every respect.
Female

Chillicothe, OH

#75 Apr 26, 2014
Female

Chillicothe, OH

#76 Apr 26, 2014
The public lands livestock grazing program uses approximately 250 million acres of the arid west, with permitted users paying a pittance to the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) or the Forest Service for the privilege to do so. And it is truly a pittance. When Bundy stopped paying BLM in 1993, he owed just $1.86 per animal unit month for his mama cows, or $3,348 to use the land year-round. But Bundy refused to pay the fees because he didn’t want to reduce his herd to just 150 animals in order to help save the Mojave desert tortoise, a species given an emergency Endangered Species Act listing, and whose existence is specifically threatened by livestock competition for scarce desert vegetation and direct crushing and trampling of tortoise burrows. Bundy’s non-payment of fees was coupled with non-cooperation about getting his cows off the range. Since 1993, Bundy’s herd has ranged from 550 to more than 900 animals, far more than he was ever legally permitted. His cows have roamed over a much broader area than he was ever legally allowed to use. Without accounting for the legal expenses incurred by BLM and the costs of last week’s failed roundup, Bundy has since racked up a million dollar bill for overdue fees, trespass fees, and fines.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#77 Apr 26, 2014
Free Pizza 4 U wrote:
<quoted text>
LMAO...U R frustrated huh......
Again dukie boy, before you spew (in lieu of a point) it would be helpful if you had your own grammar house in order.
But hey, you and your pretentious ilk are always a source of entertainment for me..........
carry on then.....
WOLF
Hi Pizza Boy.

When you learn to tell the difference between a typographical error and an ignorant misuse of a word ("to" v. "too" and "there" vs. their") I might pay some attention to your criticism.

So there is that, and the fact that you really believe that I don't understand your teenager in heat abbreviations.

You're a hoot!!!

woof

“Hereeeeee'ssss UR Pizza”

Since: May 13

Columbus, OH

#78 Apr 26, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey teenaged Pizza Boy, I'll bet ya two pickles and forty-five ROTFLYAOs that Hannity is either dropped from Fox within 60 days of today, or he never ever again interviews Cliven Bundy on Fox after seven days from today.
ROTFLMAO...oh how I wish to be a teenager again....with the the caveat that I retain what I know now........

Is this an either or doggie boy?

Sean Hannity will certainly continue on Fox........

Cliven Bundy will certainly fade into obscurity quickly.(rightly so)

Please....... feel free to point out a single post of mine in support of Bundy..........

Frankly, like Rodney King......Bundy was the wrong face at the wrong time for a cause..........

I don't gamble though doggie boy...save your pickles for a reuben.......

WOLF
Female

Chillicothe, OH

#79 Apr 26, 2014
The lands Cliven Bundy claims as his own, to do with as he pleases, belong to all of us. Through our federal government and its laws, we elected to try to preserve a portion of those near-desert range lands, even as ranchers are being treated exceedingly generously with those ridiculously low grazing fees.

But that’s not good enough for a man like Bundy, a man who denies the United States even exists as a legitimate nation.

I’ll give him this much: He’d rather take a stand and cheat the rest of us out of the few thousand bucks a year he’d otherwise owe than to admit the federal government of the United States of America has any authority over him, a citizen not of America but of the sovereign and apparently independent nation-state of Nevada.

However, these are not the beliefs and positions of an American patriot. They’re the acts of a man committing an act of rebellion against lawful authority, a man whose patriotism and allegiance is not to any nation or state, but to himself alone.

The funny thing is he’s not even being a patriot to Nevada either, whose government’s position is he should pay for the damned grazing licenses like everybody else.

“Hereeeeee'ssss UR Pizza”

Since: May 13

Columbus, OH

#80 Apr 26, 2014
Female wrote:
The public lands livestock grazing program uses approximately 250 million acres of the arid west, with permitted users paying a pittance to the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) or the Forest Service for the privilege to do so. And it is truly a pittance. When Bundy stopped paying BLM in 1993, he owed just $1.86 per animal unit month for his mama cows, or $3,348 to use the land year-round. But Bundy refused to pay the fees because he didn’t want to reduce his herd to just 150 animals in order to help save the Mojave desert tortoise, a species given an emergency Endangered Species Act listing, and whose existence is specifically threatened by livestock competition for scarce desert vegetation and direct crushing and trampling of tortoise burrows. Bundy’s non-payment of fees was coupled with non-cooperation about getting his cows off the range. Since 1993, Bundy’s herd has ranged from 550 to more than 900 animals, far more than he was ever legally permitted. His cows have roamed over a much broader area than he was ever legally allowed to use. Without accounting for the legal expenses incurred by BLM and the costs of last week’s failed roundup, Bundy has since racked up a million dollar bill for overdue fees, trespass fees, and fines.
My goodness.....ya didn't need to write a book sweetie..........

Now that we have established that Bundy is obviously not the face for states rights........
How do you feel about that constitutional concept?

There is that pesky 10th amendment after all
Female

Chillicothe, OH

#81 Apr 26, 2014
As far as Bundy's racist comments he shows his ignorance of Black History. I do not know anyone that is happy being on government assistance. Most people want to be able to support their families and earn a decent living, buy a home and live the American dream. Discrimination has played a huge role in holding people of color back. Jobs, Jobs and less discrimination in hiring that is what pulls people out of poverty.
Female

Chillicothe, OH

#82 Apr 26, 2014
I didn't hear much about the Constitution until we got a black president. If you are anti-government move out of the U,S, and see what that gets you. The tea party has started most of this crap along with the Repubs trying to get back into office by any means necessary. They even prey on the Christians. They search for conspiracies, stereotype our black president. Then of course we have the Koch Bro that have paid out millions and putting ads on the media, spreading their lies. The reason for their lies is to benefit their pocket not the middle class. They are evil and greedy and want to rule it all.

“Hereeeeee'ssss UR Pizza”

Since: May 13

Columbus, OH

#83 Apr 26, 2014
Female wrote:
As far as Bundy's racist comments he shows his ignorance of Black History. I do not know anyone that is happy being on government assistance. Most people want to be able to support their families and earn a decent living, buy a home and live the American dream. Discrimination has played a huge role in holding people of color back. Jobs, Jobs and less discrimination in hiring that is what pulls people out of poverty.
Ya know how to use that reply button don't ya sweetie?

Yeah,yeah, yeah...we get it....Bundy is an archaic stereotypical bigot........so is Louis Farrakhan....

Now stop dancing.......How about that pesky 10th amendment?

"Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_...

Bundy, paid his grazing rights fee to the STATE of Nevada..........the check was not cashed.........

“Hereeeeee'ssss UR Pizza”

Since: May 13

Columbus, OH

#84 Apr 26, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi Pizza Boy.
When you learn to tell the difference between a typographical error and an ignorant misuse of a word ("to" v. "too" and "there" vs. their") I might pay some attention to your criticism.
So there is that, and the fact that you really believe that I don't understand your teenager in heat abbreviations.
You're a hoot!!!
woof
WTF?

Do you want me to explain the difference between there and their as well???????

Catholic Mom on a cracker dukie....I'm going to have to charge you if you keep requesting gratis grammar lessons....... You are asking for TOO much for free in order TO keep you from exposing your ignorance..........

Get the stick boy..........

WOLF
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#85 Apr 26, 2014
Free Pizza 4 U wrote:
<quoted text>
WTF?
Do you want me to explain the difference between there and their as well???????
Catholic Mom on a cracker dukie....I'm going to have to charge you if you keep requesting gratis grammar lessons....... You are asking for TOO much for free in order TO keep you from exposing your ignorance..........
Get the stick boy..........
WOLF
Nahhh Pizza boy, I think it would be best for everyone if you just stick to delivering pizza. You can handle that, can't you?

woof
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#86 Apr 26, 2014
Free Pizza 4 U wrote:
<quoted text>
Ya know how to use that reply button don't ya sweetie?
Yeah,yeah, yeah...we get it....Bundy is an archaic stereotypical bigot........so is Louis Farrakhan....
Now stop dancing.......How about that pesky 10th amendment?
"Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_...
Bundy, paid his grazing rights fee to the STATE of Nevada..........the check was not cashed.........
What in God's great desert are you trying to say Pizza boy? That the BLM is operating without Congressional authority pursuant to the Constitution?

If that's your argument, please elaborate, just for sh1tts and giggles.

woof

“Hereeeeee'ssss UR Pizza”

Since: May 13

Columbus, OH

#87 Apr 26, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Nahhh Pizza boy, I think it would be best for everyone if you just stick to delivering pizza. You can handle that, can't you?
woof
ROTFLMAO.........

Poor little dukie dog boy...ya got nothin' huh..........

Thanks for playin' though, it's been amusing......

fetch the stick boy.....

WOLF

“Hereeeeee'ssss UR Pizza”

Since: May 13

Columbus, OH

#88 Apr 26, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
What in God's great desert are you trying to say Pizza boy? That the BLM is operating without Congressional authority pursuant to the Constitution?
If that's your argument, please elaborate, just for sh1tts and giggles.
woof
Oh for God's sake dukie boy.......please stop pretending you are a lawyer.....
This stuff is TOO hard for you TO comprehend huh????????? LMAO

Pollard vs. Hagar 44 US 212 (1845)

also see......
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/nword...

finally....

http://www.dailypaul.com/316860/why-the-nevad...

you are welcome......

WOLF
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#89 Apr 26, 2014
Free Pizza 4 U wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh for God's sake dukie boy.......please stop pretending you are a lawyer.....
This stuff is TOO hard for you TO comprehend huh????????? LMAO
Pollard vs. Hagar 44 US 212 (1845)
also see......
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/nword...
finally....
http://www.dailypaul.com/316860/why-the-nevad...
you are welcome......
WOLF
Welcome for what? For your so willingly and kindly providing a complete and utter mis-reading of the controlling law on this issue?

I suggest you dig a little deeper than a blog written by someone with no legal research training whatsoever.

Back in a minute Pizza Boy. Gotta call an order in. Get ready to deliver it.

woof

“Hereeeeee'ssss UR Pizza”

Since: May 13

Columbus, OH

#90 Apr 26, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Welcome for what? For your so willingly and kindly providing a complete and utter mis-reading of the controlling law on this issue?
I suggest you dig a little deeper than a blog written by someone with no legal research training whatsoever.
Back in a minute Pizza Boy. Gotta call an order in. Get ready to deliver it.
woof
God I hope you are working on contingency fees doggie boy, cause you sure as hell don't have a clue..........

http://www.dailypaul.com/316860/why-the-nevad...

Is that an ambulance??????? fetch boy..........

WOLF
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#92 Apr 26, 2014
And Pizza Boy, you really should question a source that can't even get the name of a seminal case correct. Its Hagan, not Hagar.

woof

“Hereeeeee'ssss UR Pizza”

Since: May 13

Columbus, OH

#93 Apr 26, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Welcome for what? For your so willingly and kindly providing a complete and utter mis-reading of the controlling law on this issue?
I suggest you dig a little deeper than a blog written by someone with no legal research training whatsoever.
Back in a minute Pizza Boy. Gotta call an order in. Get ready to deliver it.
woof
The Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

The "Constitution" delegates only three crimes to the federal government: treason, piracy, and counterfeiting. That's it. No other crimes are mentioned. That means that all other crimes are the purview of the states--including local and State police, sheriff's deputies, and citizen militias and posses.

That pesky constitution eh.....LOL

WOLF
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#94 Apr 26, 2014
Free Pizza 4 U wrote:
<quoted text>
The Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
The "Constitution" delegates only three crimes to the federal government: treason, piracy, and counterfeiting. That's it. No other crimes are mentioned. That means that all other crimes are the purview of the states--including local and State police, sheriff's deputies, and citizen militias and posses.
That pesky constitution eh.....LOL
WOLF
You really should expand your thinking Pizza Boy. Expand it so that it includes the study of Article I, Sections 1 and 8,(clause 1) Article III, Article IV Section 3, and Article VI.

Really, you should.

woof

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