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“Where did I put my tiara?”

Since: Dec 11

Columbus, OH

#1 Jul 23, 2012
INDIANAPOLIS - The NCAA handed down severe punishments to Penn State on Monday in the wake of a sex abuse scandal, including a $60 million fine, a four-year bowl ban and the vacating of all football wins from 1998-2011.

Also, the football program's scholarship allowance have been reduced from 25 to 15 per year for four years.

The NCAA, led by president Mark Emmert, called the school's behavior "egregious." Emmert said the school has "shaken our confidence" and that the sanctions "reflect the magnitude" of the school's actions.

The NCAA announcement a day after Penn State took down its famed statue of Joe Paterno, six months to the day since his death from lung cancer. The university said leaving it up would be a "recurring wound" for Sandusky's victims. An accomplished defensive coordinator, Sandusky was convicted of molesting young boys over more than a decade.

NCAA president Mark Emmert put the Penn State matter on the fast track. Other cases that were strictly about violating the NCAA rulebook have dragged on for months and even years. There was no sign that the infractions committee so familiar to college sports fans was involved this time around as Emmert moved quickly, no doubt aided by the July 12 release of the report by former FBI director Louis Freeh and what it said about Paterno and the rest of the Penn State leadership.

The investigation focused partly on university officials' decision not to go to child-welfare authorities in 2001 after a coaching assistant told Paterno that he had seen Sandusky sexually abusing a boy in the locker room showers. Penn State officials already knew about a previous allegation against Sandusky by that time, from 1998.

The leaders, the report said, "repeatedly concealed critical facts relating to Sandusky's child abuse from authorities, the university's board of trustees, the Penn State community and the public at large."

Sandusky is awaiting sentencing after being convicted last month of sexually abusing 10 boys over 15 years.

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“Where did I put my tiara?”

Since: Dec 11

Columbus, OH

#2 Jul 23, 2012
They got spanked big time!!!

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#3 Jul 23, 2012
e bob in 3..2..1

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#4 Jul 23, 2012
I have mixed feelings. I was hoping for "the death penalty." Even that seems to be a grand overstatement, as it really only means no football for a year or two.

I did hear that the $60 fine is supposed to establish a trust to provide services to abused children. This would be a good thing.

Apparently the sanctions (including something like 4 years of no post-season play) will effectively mean rebuilding the program four years down the road--a 4 or 5 year process. But, there are victims who will be in the process of rebuilding their lives for far longer than that.
Britneys dad Chuckn

Valley City, OH

#5 Jul 23, 2012
So they are taking away the accomplishments of the students that worked hard and earned recognition for their hard work from 1998 - 2011? How does that punish any of the guilty parties? All it does is punish those students from that time.

“Where did I put my tiara?”

Since: Dec 11

Columbus, OH

#6 Jul 23, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
I did hear that the $60 fine is supposed to establish a trust to provide services to abused children. This would be a good thing.
I too was pleased to hear what they planned to do with the money.

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#7 Jul 23, 2012
Britneys dad Chuckn wrote:
So they are taking away the accomplishments of the students that worked hard and earned recognition for their hard work from 1998 - 2011? How does that punish any of the guilty parties? All it does is punish those students from that time.
I would consider them to be victims of the tangled web that is/was Penn State/NCAA football. In other words, they are merely pawns in a game that brought a lot of money and influence to a lot of people. Clearly a system that saw the lives of minors as being inconsequential to the reputation of the university and the sports program was not very highly respectful of their students either.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#8 Jul 23, 2012
6was9 wrote:
e bob in 3..2..1
I started another thread last night, but nobody picked up on it.

You all know my feelings on this. First of all, the NCAA has NO JURISDICTION over the matter. This is only a PR move to placate the hysterical "protect the children' mob. It's only tax dollars, who cares? Right?

I would fight it, but the Penn State people are WIMPS.

Second, pretty easy to lynch a dead man who can't defend himself. ANd according to Glenn Beck this morning, Grambling State was lobbying to have Paternos's records redacted so that Eddie Robinson could go back to being the winningest college coach. DISGUSTING.

Glenn Beck kind of agrees with me this morning. It's nice there are at least two sane people in the world when it comes to this subject.

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#9 Jul 23, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>I started another thread last night, but nobody picked up on it.
You all know my feelings on this. First of all, the NCAA has NO JURISDICTION over the matter. This is only a PR move to placate the hysterical "protect the children' mob. It's only tax dollars, who cares? Right?
I would fight it, but the Penn State people are WIMPS.
Second, pretty easy to lynch a dead man who can't defend himself. ANd according to Glenn Beck this morning, Grambling State was lobbying to have Paternos's records redacted so that Eddie Robinson could go back to being the winningest college coach. DISGUSTING.
Glenn Beck kind of agrees with me this morning. It's nice there are at least two sane people in the world when it comes to this subject.
Took you long enough...you are slipping.......

“Where did I put my tiara?”

Since: Dec 11

Columbus, OH

#10 Jul 23, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>Glenn Beck kind of agrees with me this morning. It's nice there are at least two sane people in the world when it comes to this subject.
That's the funniest, without intending it to be, sentence I've read in quite a bit.

Still chuckling.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#11 Jul 23, 2012
GlitterSucks wrote:
<quoted text>
That's the funniest, without intending it to be, sentence I've read in quite a bit.
Still chuckling.
NCAA has NO JURISDICTION in this matter. It was like when the Spanish Courts tried to prosecute Donald Rumsfeld for war crimes.

I'm going to have to listen to Rush in about 30 minutes. I bet that Rush is on my side on this one.

Sandusky raping kids has nothing to do with football records and wins and losses. This is disgusting.

I guess expecting people in power to make tough decisions and act in a level headed manner is asking too much these days. Another lynch mob in action. This is disgusting.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#12 Jul 23, 2012
GlitterSucks wrote:
<quoted text>
That's the funniest, without intending it to be, sentence I've read in quite a bit.
Still chuckling.
Take your Ritalin. I never claimed Glenn Beck was sane. I claimed he was sane "when it comes to this subject".

Read closely next time.

“Where did I put my tiara?”

Since: Dec 11

Columbus, OH

#13 Jul 23, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Take your Ritalin. I never claimed Glenn Beck was sane. I claimed he was sane "when it comes to this subject".
Read closely next time.
My oh my, a little testy this morning. I read what you wrote, where did I claim you stated that Beck was sane on anything else? I read the part "on this subject". Reading a little too much in my words again.

And yes, it still amuses me

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#14 Jul 23, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>I started another thread last night, but nobody picked up on it.
You all know my feelings on this. First of all, the NCAA has NO JURISDICTION over the matter. This is only a PR move to placate the hysterical "protect the children' mob. It's only tax dollars, who cares? Right?
I would fight it, but the Penn State people are WIMPS.
Second, pretty easy to lynch a dead man who can't defend himself. ANd according to Glenn Beck this morning, Grambling State was lobbying to have Paternos's records redacted so that Eddie Robinson could go back to being the winningest college coach. DISGUSTING.
Glenn Beck kind of agrees with me this morning. It's nice there are at least two sane people in the world when it comes to this subject.
Defining you and Glenn Beck as sane calls your sanity into question right there.

Beck believes a lot of things that are not true.

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#15 Jul 23, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
NCAA has NO JURISDICTION in this matter. It was like when the Spanish Courts tried to prosecute Donald Rumsfeld for war crimes.
I'm going to have to listen to Rush in about 30 minutes. I bet that Rush is on my side on this one.
Sandusky raping kids has nothing to do with football records and wins and losses. This is disgusting.
I guess expecting people in power to make tough decisions and act in a level headed manner is asking too much these days. Another lynch mob in action. This is disgusting.
Making tough decisions and acting in a level-headed manner includes making a report to authorities when you know or suspect that someone in your employ (or an emeritus) is breaking the law by abusing children on campus.

Yes, the man's career would have been ruined. His family would have been shamed. He MIGHT have gotten some help and it is likely that some kids would not have been raped.

Oh, and there might have been some short-term economic repercussions for the football program and the university.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#16 Jul 23, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Making tough decisions and acting in a level-headed manner includes making a report to authorities when you know or suspect that someone in your employ (or an emeritus) is breaking the law by abusing children on campus.
Yes, the man's career would have been ruined. His family would have been shamed. He MIGHT have gotten some help and it is likely that some kids would not have been raped.
Oh, and there might have been some short-term economic repercussions for the football program and the university.
I'm not arguing any of that. In hindsight, they obviously should have reported. But in 2001 they didn't have the benefit of hindsight. They were humans making decisions with the best information they had available. Decisions most of us would have made if a family member or friend were involved.

Art Schlichter is an extreme example, but look how many times he's gotten a break.

You don't lynch people for doing things that come normal to humanity. Compassion is a normal reaction.

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#18 Jul 23, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not arguing any of that. In hindsight, they obviously should have reported. But in 2001 they didn't have the benefit of hindsight. They were humans making decisions with the best information they had available. Decisions most of us would have made if a family member or friend were involved.
Art Schlichter is an extreme example, but look how many times he's gotten a break.
You don't lynch people for doing things that come normal to humanity. Compassion is a normal reaction.
Within an environment of illness, compassion becomes enabling.
Big Johnson

Columbus, OH

#19 Jul 23, 2012
If college football mattered even the tiniest bit then this might be Important.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#20 Jul 23, 2012
John Stossel's report on Day Care Sex Abuse Hysteria

How the Amirault family was railroaded by hysteria

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#21 Jul 23, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
John Stossel's report on Day Care Sex Abuse Hysteria
How the Amirault family was railroaded by hysteria
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =eIbFZ54WPrkXX
Very, very different circumstances.

In the Amirault case there was a closed group of victims, who were very, very young. Further, they were interviewed using methods that have since been discredited.

There were no adult eye-witnesses.

In the Sandusky case there were at least two adult eye-witnesses. The victims were all of an age to be able to describe with a fair amount of reliability such things as "bad touching" and to distinguish between fantasy and reality. And the victims independently reported very similar patterns of abuse and grooming for abuse.

At the point at which McQueary reported to Paterno, allegations had been rumored previously and the victim's identity could easily have been determined. And there was no railroading because there was never any report made.

It is time to stop thinking old-school, Bob. The old, maybe if we don't talk about it he (meaning the victim) won't know anything is wrong and he grow out of it. The less said the better. And just a wink and a nod to the perp in the hope that he'll know how close he just came to blowing his whole career and family life--and he'll give it up.

Doesn't work that way, Bob. It is a compulsion. It will continue without intervention. And the only sure intervention we have today is to keep the guy forever separate from potential victims.

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