Data questioned at Columbus schools

Data questioned at Columbus schools

There are 20 comments on the Toledo Blade story from Dec 24, 2012, titled Data questioned at Columbus schools. In it, Toledo Blade reports that:

When Columbus City Schools Superintendent Gene Harris took over in July, 2001, about half the district's students graduated from high school.

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#2 Dec 26, 2012
The most recent report came from the internal auditor, who I believe is a black woman. Given the overall environment there (last internal auditor lost her job for trying to audit the attendance data), it would seem she is pretty gutsy and workng on the right side.

Don't know for certain, either but it would seem as though the folks most likely to go down in this scandal include whites as well as blacks.

So, maybe it's time to rethink your theories.

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#4 Dec 26, 2012
Coonly wrote:
<quoted text>Hmmm. Let me get into a Detroit City state of mind....ok. I'm back. Same conclusion: these darkies must enjoy ruining sh^t.
Ok, and what does hey now enjoy, eh?

Talking trash, using foul language and using every conversation as an opportunity to display a racist mindset.

Yep, that seems to sum it up.

I won't blame your race, your profession if you have one, your mommy and daddy (again, making assumptions), the side of town where you live, your religion, age, gender or how tall you are.

All just on you.

Happy New Year.
Oliver Canterberry

Chillicothe, OH

#6 May 6, 2013
How can you say this in light of what the article states, "When Columbus City Schools Superintendent Gene Harris took over in July, 2001, about half the district’s students graduated from high school.

The rate now is 85.2 percent, using the same method to calculate the rate as then. Even under a new method implemented this year, it has climbed to 75.8 percent.

“I would describe that, if it were an accurate representation, as miraculous,” said C. Todd Jones, a former deputy assistant secretary of the U.S. Department of Education who now is a member of the state board of education.“That would be a miracle if it were true.”

But is it?

A Columbus schools internal audit released on Thursday calls the achievement into question and recommends that the state auditor investigate the graduation rate’s accuracy.

Ms. Harris said that such a probe would be premature, and that a committee headed by her deputy superintendent, John Stanford, can effectively monitor whether schools are accurately reporting graduation data.

The internal auditor found that some reports were inaccurate.

District officials were changing student grades, changing attendance data so that students could meet the requirement for a diploma — sometimes years after the absence occurred — and failing to properly code dropouts in the computer system.

“We were seeing students who to me looked like they had quit attending school, possibly in the 2008-2009 school year, but [the district] had not classified them under a dropout code,” district internal auditor Carolyn Smith said.“There was some cleaning up of that [data] this year. But they didn’t actually get removed — coded as a dropout — until 2012.”

In other words, students dropped out, but no one told the state department of education.

Comment: If that fact does not constitute complete corruption what does? If Coleman and Harris were White they would have their jobs and would possibly be in prison.

This is why those that fled the city during the busing crisis in 1977 were wise to do so.

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#7 May 6, 2013
Oliver Canterberry wrote:
How can you say this in light of what the article states, "When Columbus City Schools Superintendent Gene Harris took over in July, 2001, about half the district’s students graduated from high school.
The rate now is 85.2 percent, using the same method to calculate the rate as then. Even under a new method implemented this year, it has climbed to 75.8 percent.
“I would describe that, if it were an accurate representation, as miraculous,” said C. Todd Jones, a former deputy assistant secretary of the U.S. Department of Education who now is a member of the state board of education.“That would be a miracle if it were true.”
But is it?
A Columbus schools internal audit released on Thursday calls the achievement into question and recommends that the state auditor investigate the graduation rate’s accuracy.
Ms. Harris said that such a probe would be premature, and that a committee headed by her deputy superintendent, John Stanford, can effectively monitor whether schools are accurately reporting graduation data.
The internal auditor found that some reports were inaccurate.
District officials were changing student grades, changing attendance data so that students could meet the requirement for a diploma — sometimes years after the absence occurred — and failing to properly code dropouts in the computer system.
“We were seeing students who to me looked like they had quit attending school, possibly in the 2008-2009 school year, but [the district] had not classified them under a dropout code,” district internal auditor Carolyn Smith said.“There was some cleaning up of that [data] this year. But they didn’t actually get removed — coded as a dropout — until 2012.”
In other words, students dropped out, but no one told the state department of education.
Comment: If that fact does not constitute complete corruption what does? If Coleman and Harris were White they would have their jobs and would possibly be in prison.
This is why those that fled the city during the busing crisis in 1977 were wise to do so.
Cranberry--stop trying to compensate for your white guilt. If your family fled the city, that is something you have got to live with.

Gene Harris needs to be held accountable, as does the School Board, for the current mess. Many people, under Dr. Gene's leadership, messed up and did so royally, in ways that were illegal, immoral and unethical.

Nothing to do with race.

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#8 May 6, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Cranberry--stop trying to compensate for your white guilt. If your family fled the city, that is something you have got to live with.
Gene Harris needs to be held accountable, as does the School Board, for the current mess. Many people, under Dr. Gene's leadership, messed up and did so royally, in ways that were illegal, immoral and unethical.
Nothing to do with race.
He doesn't have a drop of white guilt, he's a realist like me that practices our kind of identity politics.

Coleman got into power by the fuel of anti-white racism, and has maintained and grown his power the same way, as has the school board, which started this mess, because it would not comprehend the idea of putting a white conservative in charge. You know, the people that actually run competent organizations.

If the true extent of poor performing non-white dominated schools was known, a lot less D votes would be cast.
Oliver Canterberry

Chillicothe, OH

#9 May 7, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Cranberry--stop trying to compensate for your white guilt. If your family fled the city, that is something you have got to live with.
Gene Harris needs to be held accountable, as does the School Board, for the current mess. Many people, under Dr. Gene's leadership, messed up and did so royally, in ways that were illegal, immoral and unethical.
Nothing to do with race.
Once again more bold faced lies, even in the face of historical truths and reality.

It has everything to do with race because the presupposition of the entire "busing" fiasco was that the only way to fix the dysfunctional Black Schools (Mohawk) was to punish Whites by busing them across town to achieve a white guilt inspired liberal racial utopia.

If it wasn't about race, Gene Harris would currently be employed because her job performance has been a disaster of the first order. Gene Harris as superintendent of Columbus City Schools has been as disastrous for this city as Barak Hussein Obama's presidency has been for our nation.

There are a long list of incompetent, immoral, liberal Blacks in positions of power that have destroyed cities such as Marion Berry in Washington D.C., Charley Rangel in Harlem, Maxine Waters in Watts that come out of the Busing Era when White Guilt ruled the nation as it continues to rule due to people like you and certainly not people like me.

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#10 May 7, 2013
Oliver Canterberry wrote:
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Once again more bold faced lies, even in the face of historical truths and reality.
It has everything to do with race because the presupposition of the entire "busing" fiasco was that the only way to fix the dysfunctional Black Schools (Mohawk) was to punish Whites by busing them across town to achieve a white guilt inspired liberal racial utopia.
If it wasn't about race, Gene Harris would currently be employed because her job performance has been a disaster of the first order. Gene Harris as superintendent of Columbus City Schools has been as disastrous for this city as Barak Hussein Obama's presidency has been for our nation.
There are a long list of incompetent, immoral, liberal Blacks in positions of power that have destroyed cities such as Marion Berry in Washington D.C., Charley Rangel in Harlem, Maxine Waters in Watts that come out of the Busing Era when White Guilt ruled the nation as it continues to rule due to people like you and certainly not people like me.
Cranberry, you're a mess.

Take a class in logic. You've got causes and effects all flying around disconnected from one another.

All you really seem to be sure of is that you don't like the way things are and you think it's all black people's fault.
Oliver Canterberry

Chillicothe, OH

#11 May 7, 2013
correction:

If it wasn't about race, Gene Harris would currently be unemployed because her job performance has been a disaster of the first order.

Gene Harris as superintendent of Columbus City Schools has been as disastrous for this city as Barak Hussein Obama's presidency has been for our nation.

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#12 May 7, 2013
Oliver Canterberry wrote:
correction:
If it wasn't about race, Gene Harris would currently be unemployed because her job performance has been a disaster of the first order.
Gene Harris as superintendent of Columbus City Schools has been as disastrous for this city as Barak Hussein Obama's presidency has been for our nation.
No disagreement. Harris has messed up royally and needs to be held accountable, along with a number of Board members.

Her race, however, is not the cause.
Oliver Canterberry

Chillicothe, OH

#13 May 7, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Cranberry, you're a mess.
Take a class in logic. You've got causes and effects all flying around disconnected from one another.
All you really seem to be sure of is that you don't like the way things are and you think it's all black people's fault.
Liberal Blacks (Coleman; Harris) working in conjunction with White guilt plagued delusional liberals like you; not good hard working, morally solid Blacks like Clarence Thomas, Walter Williams, Herman Cain, Thomas Sowell, J.C. Watts, Ken Blackwell, Armstrong Williams the strong and independent Blacks that people like you loathe.

White Guilt psychobabble is even more of a problem because without it none of this liberal nonsense would be going on.

Its time to for you to grow up and be part of the solution. Innocent children are going to inherit this insane debt and social chaos / open borders - that people like you are creating.
Oliver Canterberry

Chillicothe, OH

#14 May 7, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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No disagreement. Harris has messed up royally and needs to be held accountable, along with a number of Board members.
Her race, however, is not the cause.
The cause is a two sided coin. One side of the coin is affirmative action. The other side of the coin is White Guilt.

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#15 May 7, 2013
Oliver Canterberry wrote:
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Liberal Blacks (Coleman; Harris) working in conjunction with White guilt plagued delusional liberals like you; not good hard working, morally solid Blacks like Clarence Thomas, Walter Williams, Herman Cain, Thomas Sowell, J.C. Watts, Ken Blackwell, Armstrong Williams the strong and independent Blacks that people like you loathe.
White Guilt psychobabble is even more of a problem because without it none of this liberal nonsense would be going on.
Its time to for you to grow up and be part of the solution. Innocent children are going to inherit this insane debt and social chaos / open borders - that people like you are creating.
Yada, yada, yada.

Let me remind you, Cranberry. I am not the white person continually trying to justify white flight. If your conscience troubles you, talk to a priest. Stop trying to blame everyone else under the sun.

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#16 May 7, 2013
Oliver Canterberry wrote:
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The cause is a two sided coin. One side of the coin is affirmative action. The other side of the coin is White Guilt.
Are you one of those who feel personally harmed by what you believe to be "Affirmative Action"?

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#17 May 7, 2013
Oliver Canterberry wrote:
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Liberal Blacks (Coleman; Harris) working in conjunction with White guilt plagued delusional liberals like you; not good hard working, morally solid Blacks like Clarence Thomas, Walter Williams, Herman Cain, Thomas Sowell, J.C. Watts, Ken Blackwell, Armstrong Williams the strong and independent Blacks that people like you loathe.
White Guilt psychobabble is even more of a problem because without it none of this liberal nonsense would be going on.
Its time to for you to grow up and be part of the solution. Innocent children are going to inherit this insane debt and social chaos / open borders - that people like you are creating.
The problem isn't that Harris is a liberal. Not even certain that she is.

The problem is that she cheated, or encouraged cheating by others.
bosco

Columbus, OH

#18 May 7, 2013
Bottom Line: gene harris need to be held accountable and prosecuted.
Oliver Canterberry

Chillicothe, OH

#19 May 7, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Are you one of those who feel personally harmed by what you believe to be "Affirmative Action"?
Yes.
Oliver Canterberry

Chillicothe, OH

#20 May 7, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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The problem isn't that Harris is a liberal. Not even certain that she is.
The problem is that she cheated, or encouraged cheating by others.
On that (single line) we agree.
Oliver Canterberry

Chillicothe, OH

#21 May 7, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Yada, yada, yada.
Let me remind you, Cranberry. I am not the white person continually trying to justify white flight. If your conscience troubles you, talk to a priest. Stop trying to blame everyone else under the sun.
My conscience is fine.

The mismanagement / violence of Columbus City Schools completely justifies White Flight.

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#22 May 7, 2013
Oliver Canterberry wrote:
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My conscience is fine.
The mismanagement / violence of Columbus City Schools completely justifies White Flight.
And yet you remain fixated on proving that justification.

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#23 May 7, 2013
Oliver Canterberry wrote:
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Yes.
So--who or what do you imagine you would be today, were it not for the harms you believe you received as a result of Affirmative Action?

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