Is the "Earned Income Credit" welfare?
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VADoc

United States

#63 Feb 9, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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That's not the reality of what goes on out there. Maybe if you worked in a job like I did and got to see these people close up, you might have a better appreciation for what's going on out in the real world.
Not everybody works for the government, or has a job with benefits, or even has the ability, the time or the money to retrain. In fact, WA's description of the $10.25 call center worker was generous as she probably has vacation and at least some benefits. If you work for someone like me, or at my late grandfather's bar you have NOTHING other than that $8 or $10 an hour you get. There are a lot of people who work jobs like this and it has nothing to do with them being lazy or irresponsible.
You guys who work in comfortable jobs for "the man" don't appreciate this because you're removed from it.
First off bob you know two things about me; jack and shit. I have worked for the VA for less than a year. Before that I worked for a couple of hospitals in Ohio working primarily with Medicaid patients. Before that I worked in the university setting seeing again primarily Medicaid patients. I know the people you speak of and I know how many of them live.

I also grew up on a farm and no what hard work is. If you think my job is a cake walk then go get your degree apply for my job and do it.

If anyone is stuck working in a job for less than $10 an hour it is their own fault. There are so many grants and loans available to go back and get an education. Hell right now unemployment will pay almost up to 2 years before they cut you off. That's almost enough time to finish an associates degree. No one is stuck with their lot in life unless they choose to.

I was unhappy working for the hospitals I worked for. My wife was unhappy in her job. So we found new jobs. Now we both have a good skill set and a good education we spent years obtaining and working towards to be sure we are both in fields where we will never be without a job.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#64 Feb 9, 2013
VADoc wrote:
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First off bob you know two things about me; jack and shit. I have worked for the VA for less than a year. Before that I worked for a couple of hospitals in Ohio working primarily with Medicaid patients. Before that I worked in the university setting seeing again primarily Medicaid patients. I know the people you speak of and I know how many of them live.
I also grew up on a farm and no what hard work is. If you think my job is a cake walk then go get your degree apply for my job and do it.
If anyone is stuck working in a job for less than $10 an hour it is their own fault. There are so many grants and loans available to go back and get an education. Hell right now unemployment will pay almost up to 2 years before they cut you off. That's almost enough time to finish an associates degree. No one is stuck with their lot in life unless they choose to.
I was unhappy working for the hospitals I worked for. My wife was unhappy in her job. So we found new jobs. Now we both have a good skill set and a good education we spent years obtaining and working towards to be sure we are both in fields where we will never be without a job.
Well, I'm a lawyer and I see these people. They work for me, they come into my office every day. They don't have squat and it's not because they're doing anything wrong. They have reached their glass ceiling and that's as far as they can go.

Let alone the clients I see, our old assistant used to work in a sweat shop factory until her body couldn't take it anymore. She was divorced and tried to retrain to be a paralegal and to be honest she wasn't very good at it. She is stuck at that $10-$12 place in life and cleaned offices at night.

What more do you expect out of someone like this? Do you want her to start begging on the freeway offramps?

It's you who knows jack and squat.

“Hi-Yo Silver! Away!”

Since: Aug 12

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#65 Feb 9, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text> You're time traveling again, I asked about the here and now. What does a woman do with kids, no marketable skills, no family to think of, and no man who wants to tolerate her children? She's broke and has a beater car that's one breakdown away from the salvage yard, working hard at a $10.25 hr call center, and gets the EIC and a EBT card to help feed the kids. You suggest she gets cut from EBT and the EIC taken away?
A woman can at least hook for some money, but of course that's risky. Not sure most guys can.
WiseAmerican

United States

#66 Feb 9, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Wow...a black guy with multiple family members at the Post Office. What a shock...
How many do you have at COTA?
I had a cousin who drove for COTA but quit. So, what! COTA is not a Gubment job and if it were, so what! You think every one should work for a corporation? That's not realistic. My brother worked for the USPS after leaving my dad's business; they never got along, but before that he was in the military.
What did you do besides have everything handed to you from your parents? You never struggled for anything in your life, brass spoon fed boy.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#67 Feb 9, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text> We do not pay for Postal employees pensions or benefits! I have a brother who's retired from the USPS and a sister who's still there after 20 yrs. Who told you WE pay for the USPS?
The rules on USPS pensions have been changed from the 80% pension. Current postal employees do not get it. BUT my sister was hired before the change. SS was NEVER DEDUCTED from her federal paycheck, because the feds guaranteed her pension. She did work a minimal amount of hours a year at a W-2 job (unlocking and locking a school at night for adult volleyball) to get some paid into SS.
So she gets her 80% pension, full medical for her husband and herself and she collects SS.

Now who pays for that if it isn't the current taxpayers?

You are correct that current USPS employees do not have the same retirement benefits, but former ones most certainly do. Sorry, I do not know the year that the change was made.

I tease the postmaster in the tiny town a mile from me because he comes in under the current guidelines.

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#68 Feb 9, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text>I had a cousin who drove for COTA but quit. So, what! COTA is not a Gubment job and if it were, so what! You think every one should work for a corporation? That's not realistic. My brother worked for the USPS after leaving my dad's business; they never got along, but before that he was in the military.
What did you do besides have everything handed to you from your parents? You never struggled for anything in your life, brass spoon fed boy.
LOL! Suuuure...COTA's not a "gubmint" job, huh? They take tax dollars, including from those who don't use it. And they lose money. Sounds like every bit the "gubmint job" to me.
Shall we now look at the demographics of the BMV? How about DJFS?
As for your envious parting shot...

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#69 Feb 9, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text> You're time traveling again, I asked about the here and now. What does a woman do with kids, no marketable skills, no family to think of, and no man who wants to tolerate her children? She's broke and has a beater car that's one breakdown away from the salvage yard, working hard at a $10.25 hr call center, and gets the EIC and a EBT card to help feed the kids. You suggest she gets cut from EBT and the EIC taken away?
Yes I am time traveling back to when men were men, stayed with thier families, and women worked just as hard keeping the children and house and staying in a budget.

I suggest she takes avantage of the eductional programs we pay for via our taxes and gets some skills. I suggest she teach her children not to repeat her mistakes. EBT card, fine. EIC is absolutely unsustainable. Do you understand that we cannot, in any way, shape or form, go on spending as a nation like we have the past four years and not fall into a deep recession where we will be forced to cut these programs?

This government can't even afford to pay the interest on our debt. Look at the completely failed stimulus spending.

You know, the government enables people, but, in the end, it is the individual that is irresponsible in their own life that makes it neccessary. WA, it won't go on forever.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#70 Feb 9, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text>I had a cousin who drove for COTA but quit. So, what! COTA is not a Gubment job and if it were, so what! You think every one should work for a corporation? That's not realistic. My brother worked for the USPS after leaving my dad's business; they never got along, but before that he was in the military.
What did you do besides have everything handed to you from your parents? You never struggled for anything in your life, brass spoon fed boy.
How do you know what struggles any of us went through? Nothing that is handed to you will ever mean as much as what you earn yourself.

I don't work for a corporation. Nothing was handed to me.

And what do you do or did do to earn a living?
VADoc

United States

#71 Feb 9, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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Well, I'm a lawyer and I see these people. They work for me, they come into my office every day. They don't have squat and it's not because they're doing anything wrong. They have reached their glass ceiling and that's as far as they can go.
Let alone the clients I see, our old assistant used to work in a sweat shop factory until her body couldn't take it anymore. She was divorced and tried to retrain to be a paralegal and to be honest she wasn't very good at it. She is stuck at that $10-$12 place in life and cleaned offices at night.
What more do you expect out of someone like this? Do you want her to start begging on the freeway offramps?
It's you who knows jack and squat.
Wow so you're a lawyer and you gripe about other people and hard work? Pot meet kettle. Let me guess you are an attorney who handles social security disability claims? I've seen many many many people from poverty. I lived in a very rural area growing up. I can point you to 20-30 families where they are on 4th generation welfare recipients. They consider it a job. Graduating high school is like getting a JD to some of them! Yes some people do work hard and need assistance. I'm not ragging on them. At least your assistant tried to better he lot in life. I'm fine with that. What I'm not fine with is the younger folks in their 20's and 30's who could get a college education or associates degree for free and still keep their benefits while they do it, but they are too lazy not to. It does come down to laziness bob. You can break through that glass ceiling in many cases if you want to. It just takes some hard work.

I've seen plenty of people in my years of working with the public who cheat the system and live off it. As another poster said, we are fine with helping out people in need, but we have a lot of people who are abusing the system. And the EIC is not sustainable! If we eliminated federal refunds for anyone getting Medicaid, food stamps, HUD, etc. it would save billions a year! The rest of us could pay less in taxes to keep the same services we provide! Hell more people could get Medicaid and it be better funded.
WiseAmerican

United States

#73 Feb 9, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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Yes I am time traveling back to when men were men, stayed with thier families, and women worked just as hard keeping the children and house and staying in a budget.
I suggest she takes avantage of the eductional programs we pay for via our taxes and gets some skills. I suggest she teach her children not to repeat her mistakes. EBT card, fine. EIC is absolutely unsustainable. Do you understand that we cannot, in any way, shape or form, go on spending as a nation like we have the past four years and not fall into a deep recession where we will be forced to cut these programs?
This government can't even afford to pay the interest on our debt. Look at the completely failed stimulus spending.
You know, the government enables people, but, in the end, it is the individual that is irresponsible in their own life that makes it neccessary. WA, it won't go on forever.
" Oh the way Glen Miller played, songs that made the hit parade, guys like us we had it made, those were the days!

And you knew who you were then, girls were girls and men were men, Mister we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again!

Didn't need no welfare state, everybody pulled his weight, gee did that Lasalle run great!

Those were the daaaaaays!
Bahahahahaha!

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#74 Feb 9, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text>" Oh the way Glen Miller played, songs that made the hit parade, guys like us we had it made, those were the days!
And you knew who you were then, girls were girls and men were men, Mister we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again!
Didn't need no welfare state, everybody pulled his weight, gee did that Lasalle run great!
Those were the daaaaaays!
Bahahahahaha!
Good Times.
Any time you meet a payment.- Good Times.
Any time you need a friend.- Good Times.
Any time you're out from under.
Not getting hassled, not getting hustled.
Keepin' your head above water,
Making a wave when you can.

Temporary lay offs.- Good Times.
Easy credit rip offs.- Good Times.
Scratchin' and surviving.- Good Times.
Hangin in a chow line - Good Times.
Ain't we lucky we got 'em - Good Times.
WiseAmerican

United States

#75 Feb 9, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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How do you know what struggles any of us went through? Nothing that is handed to you will ever mean as much as what you earn yourself.
I don't work for a corporation. Nothing was handed to me.
And what do you do or did do to earn a living?
As for your last question...when the old man kicks over and you receive that life insurance check, maybe then we could meet, sit down under the oak tree, sip on some Boston lager and talk about horses, stock market prices, trips to the Greek Iles, crab n lobster boils, drinking Mai tai's on a beach with jet black sand, and what I do to get bread. That's if you're still hot in your old age that is.
WiseAmerican

United States

#76 Feb 9, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
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Good Times.
Any time you meet a payment.- Good Times.
Any time you need a friend.- Good Times.
Any time you're out from under.
Not getting hassled, not getting hustled.
Keepin' your head above water,
Making a wave when you can.
Temporary lay offs.- Good Times.
Easy credit rip offs.- Good Times.
Scratchin' and surviving.- Good Times.
Hangin in a chow line - Good Times.
Ain't we lucky we got 'em - Good Times.
Yeah, old Bunker was two pay checks away from that reality! His wife was useless!

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