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#43 Feb 8, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
I think some of these guys get it, I even think Seriouslady gets it if she thinks about some of the people who work FOR or around her relatives in construction. Not the union guys making $30+ an hour, but the scabs making $8. There are people no never make a lot more than that.
I am not for funding irresponsibility, but I don't consider a person like this irresponsible. Just didn't get any breaks.
Wow, Bob. I think even the union flaggers are making close to $30. an hour. But that's hard, dangerous work. All kinds of weather and they have to be certified. Not just anyone can do it, but anyone can aspire to it. Here, the non-union laborers make about $10. to $15. Union, at least double.

My husband and I sure don't get it and never have and never will. And I don't care about the money, I am concerned about a system we absolutely cannot sustain. Are we going to have riots here when entitlements are cut like they have in Greece?
WiseAmerican

Columbus, OH

#44 Feb 8, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, Bob. I think even the union flaggers are making close to $30. an hour. But that's hard, dangerous work. All kinds of weather and they have to be certified. Not just anyone can do it, but anyone can aspire to it. Here, the non-union laborers make about $10. to $15. Union, at least double.
My husband and I sure don't get it and never have and never will. And I don't care about the money, I am concerned about a system we absolutely cannot sustain. Are we going to have riots here when entitlements are cut like they have in Greece?
When there are no jobs that unskilled people can fill immediately, and benefits are cut, what do you think people in that position will do when they have kids to feed and shelter? What would you do when companies have no openings because of the recession and have telephone book thick job applicants but you never get called? I think a lot of you are living in yesteryear when it comes to the bleek job market out there.
I keep reading post from several of you about when you were young and yada,yada. Things are so different now. There are far too many people for the jobs that are available but those jobs require skills that the average Joe can't do, so it's not as simple as go get a job anymore.
WiseAmerican

Columbus, OH

#45 Feb 8, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
<quoted text>
You're completely right. I didn't have children because it would have been irresponsible of me and I would not have been able to provide for them or spend much time with them.
It that an outlawed practice now?
I was just out of school. I was making very little.
You keep thinking if they only would've waited to have kid/s. Well that's water under the bridge ,what do you do now the kids are here?
Wait what

Dublin, OH

#46 Feb 8, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text>I'll bet that someone in your family gets the breaks that you're bitching about!! Would you help make up the short falls on their $10 an hour jobs directly out of your income monthly? I already know the answer. Where's your outrage against the corporate welfare, no taxation for them? GE paid no taxes but got millions back.
You're focusing on low wage earners who didn't make the rules!!! That's cowardness!
Which is it, WA? You rant and rave about only the Democrats caring about the little people, yet complain about GE. Do you ever read about politics, or just rant and rave about them? Do some research, for crying out loud.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#47 Feb 8, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text> When there are no jobs that unskilled people can fill immediately, and benefits are cut, what do you think people in that position will do when they have kids to feed and shelter? What would you do when companies have no openings because of the recession and have telephone book thick job applicants but you never get called? I think a lot of you are living in yesteryear when it comes to the bleek job market out there.
I keep reading post from several of you about when you were young and yada,yada. Things are so different now. There are far too many people for the jobs that are available but those jobs require skills that the average Joe can't do, so it's not as simple as go get a job anymore.
Well no friggin kidding, WA. My husband is in construction. It's been a friggin nightmare since 2008! Ask 6was9. My nephew who put himself through college for seven years to become an architect, the firm he worked for for the past 10 years shut it's doors two years ago and he has a wife and four children.
All four of my step children have been in and out of work and hours cut back and struggling.
Do you think this hasn't affected EVERYONE in the country?
Now my nephew, for example, at age 16, rode past a wrecked Land Crusier and fell in love. Bought it, learned how to rebuild it, learned how to drive it like a expert cowboy. So he went on the hunt and gets a few months work a year teaching special ops about to deploy how to maintain and drive thier ATV's. But the cut in the defense budget will alter that. The boy initiated something. He didn't sit back and collect welfare AT ALL. His wife went to work and he stayed home with the kids and cut grass and plowed fields. An architect.
One of my stepsons, a Toyota mechanic with very good training, had his hours cut back. They moved in with his in-laws, but didn't apply for welfare.
Another moved to VA so get work.
The third started as a mason's apprentice right out of high school and is considered 'master' now. But work's been off and on and he has a wife and four children too.
My husband has been idle A LOT. Site planner, enviromental engineer, underground utility and demolition expert w/25 years experience. Big, 5 year project will start and be shut down after phase one because the developer loses his bond or there just is no money.
AND when a federal contract goes out for bid, any minority owned company gets an automatic 25% discount off their bid,so what chance do male white owned companies that have been in buinsess for 40 years have?
The 'average Joe' CAN learn skills. The country needs 'tinkerers.' They make good money. Go be a plumbers apprentice...mechanic's apprentice...anything that will move you forward whether your goal is going to change later or not.
Volunteer at a hospital and put in applications for every opening they have.
From my experience, it is very hard emotionally and ego wise for any man not to work and bring home a living.
Apparently I'm wrong about a large percent of the country.
Does not matter. We simply cannot sustain the amount of money we are giving away in entitlements. And if you think any politician is seriously going to go after social security for seniors, which they have worked and paid into, along with their employers, rather than cut some of the welfare assist.,you're living in a dream world and you will see a revolution.
The recipients need to get off their butts and BECOME SKILLED at something.
You remind me of my older sister. A friend opened a new Exxon with a convience store attached. I mentioned to her I might work in it a few times a week. She sneered and said "You'd do that?" Like what? Not good enough for me? But we have to remember, she has been a postal employee for 30 years and gets an 80% pension and full medical for her and her husband for life. We pay for that.
No one has been immune to this economy.The country missed a huge opportunity by not electing a businessman who knew how to create jobs.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#48 Feb 8, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text> You keep thinking if they only would've waited to have kid/s. Well that's water under the bridge ,what do you do now the kids are here?
Flimsy excuse. In my great-grandparents case, when both of my great-grandfather's died at age 30 and 32, leaving two widows and 10 children...they moved in with their families and the women worked and took in laundry, cooked for soldiers and sewed.
Families had to stay together because there was no welfare. I come from a line of strong women.

How about teaching them NOT to have kids they can't support themselves?
WiseAmerican

Columbus, OH

#49 Feb 8, 2013
Wait what wrote:
<quoted text>
Which is it, WA? You rant and rave about only the Democrats caring about the little people, yet complain about GE. Do you ever read about politics, or just rant and rave about them? Do some research, for crying out loud.
I do both. Now go find something to do .
Wait what

Dublin, OH

#50 Feb 8, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text> I do both. Now go find something to do .
No, actually, you don't - and your post about GE proved it.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#51 Feb 9, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text> When there are no jobs that unskilled people can fill immediately, and benefits are cut, what do you think people in that position will do when they have kids to feed and shelter? What would you do when companies have no openings because of the recession and have telephone book thick job applicants but you never get called? I think a lot of you are living in yesteryear when it comes to the bleek job market out there.
I keep reading post from several of you about when you were young and yada,yada. Things are so different now. There are far too many people for the jobs that are available but those jobs require skills that the average Joe can't do, so it's not as simple as go get a job anymore.
don't you worry

Obama has his laser focus on jobs and the economy.

give the guy some time will you, it has only been 4 years.
WiseAmerican

Columbus, OH

#52 Feb 9, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
<quoted text>
Well no friggin kidding, WA. My husband is in construction. It's been a friggin nightmare since 2008! Ask 6was9. My nephew who put himself through college for seven years to become an architect, the firm he worked for for the past 10 years shut it's doors two years ago and he has a wife and four children.
All four of my step children have been in and out of work and hours cut back and struggling.
Do you think this hasn't affected EVERYONE in the country?
Now my nephew, for example, at age 16, rode past a wrecked Land Crusier and fell in love. Bought it, learned how to rebuild it, learned how to drive it like a expert cowboy. So he went on the hunt and gets a few months work a year teaching special ops about to deploy how to maintain and drive thier ATV's. But the cut in the defense budget will alter that. The boy initiated something. He didn't sit back and collect welfare AT ALL. His wife went to work and he stayed home with the kids and cut grass and plowed fields. An architect.
One of my stepsons, a Toyota mechanic with very good training, had his hours cut back. They moved in with his in-laws, but didn't apply for welfare.
Another moved to VA so get work.
The third started as a mason's apprentice right out of high school and is considered 'master' now. But work's been off and on and he has a wife and four children too.
My husband has been idle A LOT. Site planner, enviromental engineer, underground utility and demolition expert w/25 years experience. Big, 5 year project will start and be shut down after phase one because the developer loses his bond or there just is no money.
AND when a federal contract goes out for bid, any minority owned company gets an automatic 25% discount off their bid,so what chance do male white owned companies that have been in buinsess for 40 years have?
The 'average Joe' CAN learn skills. The country needs 'tinkerers.' They make good money. Go be a plumbers apprentice...mechanic's apprentice...anything that will move you forward whether your goal is going to change later or not.
Volunteer at a hospital and put in applications for every opening they have.
From my experience, it is very hard emotionally and ego wise for any man not to work and bring home a living.
Apparently I'm wrong about a large percent of the country.
Does not matter. We simply cannot sustain the amount of money we are giving away in entitlements. And if you think any politician is seriously going to go after social security for seniors, which they have worked and paid into, along with their employers, rather than cut some of the welfare assist.,you're living in a dream world and you will see a revolution.
The recipients need to get off their butts and BECOME SKILLED at something.
You remind me of my older sister. A friend opened a new Exxon with a convience store attached. I mentioned to her I might work in it a few times a week. She sneered and said "You'd do that?" Like what? Not good enough for me? But we have to remember, she has been a postal employee for 30 years and gets an 80% pension and full medical for her and her husband for life. We pay for that.
No one has been immune to this economy.The country missed a huge opportunity by not electing a businessman who knew how to create jobs.
We do not pay for Postal employees pensions or benefits! I have a brother who's retired from the USPS and a sister who's still there after 20 yrs. Who told you WE pay for the USPS?
WiseAmerican

Columbus, OH

#53 Feb 9, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
<quoted text>
Flimsy excuse. In my great-grandparents case, when both of my great-grandfather's died at age 30 and 32, leaving two widows and 10 children...they moved in with their families and the women worked and took in laundry, cooked for soldiers and sewed.
Families had to stay together because there was no welfare. I come from a line of strong women.
How about teaching them NOT to have kids they can't support themselves?
You're time traveling again, I asked about the here and now. What does a woman do with kids, no marketable skills, no family to think of, and no man who wants to tolerate her children? She's broke and has a beater car that's one breakdown away from the salvage yard, working hard at a $10.25 hr call center, and gets the EIC and a EBT card to help feed the kids. You suggest she gets cut from EBT and the EIC taken away?
WiseAmerican

Columbus, OH

#54 Feb 9, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
<quoted text>
don't you worry
Obama has his laser focus on jobs and the economy.
give the guy some time will you, it has only been 4 years.
Obama can't force companies to hire folks or stay stateside! You know that yet you pretend that he can magically right the ship just by continuing tax cuts on the top percent.
Well, after ten plus years of tax cuts, we're still north of 7% unemployment! Do tell Mr. Reality TV show guru, how the US economy is not booming after all those years of tax cuts? Well....? Let's us see how well you are at explaining it, Mr. Yale economist. By the way, how many employees have you hired since you didn't have to pay any taxes over a few years. Remember, the truth is only a few post away.
VADoc

United States

#55 Feb 9, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
Right wing or left, I don't think it's such a bad thing to make things a little easier on people who work but don't make a lot of money. It might be different if people still got and stayed married to each other, but a single person living alone on $10 an hour is barely scraping by.
The same could be said for a new college grad with significant student loan debt. By the time they pay rent, insurance, utilities, and loan repayment there isn't much left and they sure aren't getting the refunds that the barely educated woman with 3 kids by 3 different daddies is.

That's the problem with your line of thinking. There is no incentive to get educated or work harder because that nice refund, Medicaid, and those free food stamps would be taken away and they'd probably not live a much more lavish lifestyle than they live now. We need to stop giving people wants and go back to supplying the basic needs if they cannot provide for themselves and it needs to come with consequences. Consequences such as no refund if you have a huge amount of social services paid by the government. If we feed you, clothe you, and support you and your family we shouldn't be expected to give you a bonus each year.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#56 Feb 9, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text> We do not pay for Postal employees pensions or benefits! I have a brother who's retired from the USPS and a sister who's still there after 20 yrs. Who told you WE pay for the USPS?
who does?

santa claus?
WiseAmerican

Columbus, OH

#57 Feb 9, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
<quoted text>
who does?
santa claus?
This first Plan is simple does donít cost the tax payer anything NOT ONE DIME This first bill was introduced by Rep. Stephen Lynch (MA), the ranking Democrat on the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, would address the cause of the USPS financial crisis without Cutting Pay and Benefits, Eliminating Collective Bargaining Rights, or Slashing Service. H.R. 1351 would.
Unlike the second introduced by Rep. Issa a pri*k from California witch was actually written by the corporate masters lobbyist, they want this union destroyed a union. This union that does not cost the tax payer a DIME, but so why are tea baggies on this band wagon. I repeat it does not cost the tax payer a dime! I thought tea baggies were about to many taxes. So why do they resent post office employees belonging to a union? Since it does not cost a dine of tax payer money.
WiseAmerican

Columbus, OH

#58 Feb 9, 2013
RS, you are an azzwipe!

The U.S. Postal Service projects a deficit of up to $2 billion this year. Given that the USPS doesn't receive any tax dollars from Congress, how will it come up with the extra $2 billion?
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Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#59 Feb 9, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text> Obama can't force companies to hire folks or stay stateside! You know that yet you pretend that he can magically right the ship just by continuing tax cuts on the top percent.
Well, after ten plus years of tax cuts, we're still north of 7% unemployment! Do tell Mr. Reality TV show guru, how the US economy is not booming after all those years of tax cuts? Well....? Let's us see how well you are at explaining it, Mr. Yale economist. By the way, how many employees have you hired since you didn't have to pay any taxes over a few years. Remember, the truth is only a few post away.
you do know those evil tax cuts you are complaining about, your god Obama made permanent for all but 1% of the population in the USA?

and you Mr. Ghetto economist.....do you feet it is fair to pay over 50% of earned income to taxes?

lets just say that someone falls in the 25% income tax rate, then you add 15% self employment tax, then 7% state income tax, then 2.5% city tax. Top income tax rate is now 40%. I only used 25%, because millions upon millions fall into that catagory.

then property tax, gas tax, sales tax, utility taxes, and license fees.

this is not paying their fair share to you?

can I tell you how insulting that is?

and can I tell you that people in above situation claim $100,000 of income, even if filed in joint. for someone as brilliant as you.....that is 2 incomes to reach $100,000 after deductions.

I am sorry you and your wife did not earn $100,000; but when you say people are freeloading with tax welfare, see my above example and tell me who is freeloading?

see 2 people earning 60K a year after deductions, claim about 100K.

Self employment tax is split between employee with employer if you receive a W2.
when receiving 1099, you are hit with self employment tax on your own.

the millions of families that fall into my example category, work hard, raise families, send kids to college; and retire.

The time is very near, that your insulting behavior be feed to you.

had you ever listened, you would have heard that growth in America is from small business.

that means filing quarterly returns with checks.

expect the taxpayer strike by this time next year. maybe even a coup to remove elected officials from office who are not abiding by the constitution, or gross dereliction of duty like Benghazi.

the state of the union address, will be 100% lies. It may speed up the revolt that is sure to occur.

if you think people are going to go into debt on education, raise families, acquire loans for house and cars; and then pay over 50% of earnings on taxes, to hear losers like you say they are freeloading?

you best hide, even the women will cut you down; and march over you.

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#60 Feb 9, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
<quoted text>
shoot down?
how about spread diarrhea on a subject being accurate to your accomplishment in a discussion
you are as sharp, as a room temperature stick of butter
most likely as limp as well
Diarrhea spread on itself would be pointless. I'm more inclined to hold my nose and point out to righties like you that it's diarrhea, not daffodils.

Again with the penile references...in the closet, are you?:)

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#61 Feb 9, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text> We do not pay for Postal employees pensions or benefits! I have a brother who's retired from the USPS and a sister who's still there after 20 yrs. Who told you WE pay for the USPS?
Wow...a black guy with multiple family members at the Post Office. What a shock...
How many do you have at COTA?
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#62 Feb 9, 2013
VADoc wrote:
<quoted text>
That's the problem with your line of thinking. There is no incentive to get educated or work harder
That's not the reality of what goes on out there. Maybe if you worked in a job like I did and got to see these people close up, you might have a better appreciation for what's going on out in the real world.

Not everybody works for the government, or has a job with benefits, or even has the ability, the time or the money to retrain. In fact, WA's description of the $10.25 call center worker was generous as she probably has vacation and at least some benefits. If you work for someone like me, or at my late grandfather's bar you have NOTHING other than that $8 or $10 an hour you get. There are a lot of people who work jobs like this and it has nothing to do with them being lazy or irresponsible.

You guys who work in comfortable jobs for "the man" don't appreciate this because you're removed from it.

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