“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#23 Feb 8, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
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does mommy still pay your bills?
No, your wife does - in exhange for being romped hard once a week. She says you're impotent, is that true?:)

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#24 Feb 8, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
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Your mother was, so why not? ;)
Are you as sure of that as you were about photo ID at the polls in Ohio?
You're embarrassing yourself, kid.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#25 Feb 8, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
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No, your wife does - in exhange for being romped hard once a week. She says you're impotent, is that true?:)
so your a child.

unless you want spanked, then you best go to your room.

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#26 Feb 8, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
<quoted text>
so your a child.
unless you want spanked, then you best go to your room.
LOL! Not into your gay sex games, but always willing to shoot down your idiotic posts and those of any other righties here.

FYI..

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#27 Feb 8, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Are you as sure of that as you were about photo ID at the polls in Ohio?
You're embarrassing yourself, kid.
Sorry, Vicky, I imagine it's confusing when someone admits they're wrong and apologizes. Not what you righties do, is it? You just lie and go on lying and pretend you were correct all along, usually...;)
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#28 Feb 8, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL! Not into your gay sex games, but always willing to shoot down your idiotic posts and those of any other righties here.
FYI..
shoot down?

how about spread diarrhea on a subject being accurate to your accomplishment in a discussion

you are as sharp, as a room temperature stick of butter
most likely as limp as well
WiseAmerican

South Charleston, OH

#29 Feb 8, 2013
Dude Watson wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not a "money grubber". But, I'm so sick and tired of our government rewarding people for being irresponsible, lazy and having no ambition tahn to live a minimal life. There are way too many "safety" nets and it becomes a way of life and I am tired of paying for it.
I'll bet that someone in your family gets the breaks that you're bitching about!! Would you help make up the short falls on their $10 an hour jobs directly out of your income monthly? I already know the answer. Where's your outrage against the corporate welfare, no taxation for them? GE paid no taxes but got millions back.
You're focusing on low wage earners who didn't make the rules!!! That's cowardness!
Dude Watson

Cleveland, OH

#30 Feb 8, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text>I'll bet that someone in your family gets the breaks that you're bitching about!! Would you help make up the short falls on their $10 an hour jobs directly out of your income monthly? I already know the answer. Where's your outrage against the corporate welfare, no taxation for them? GE paid no taxes but got millions back.
You're focusing on low wage earners who didn't make the rules!!! That's cowardness!
No, actually my family has ambition and goals in life. I probably spent more in taxes and tips than you made last year. So, quit with the personal attacks loser.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#31 Feb 8, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text>I'll bet that someone in your family gets the breaks that you're bitching about!! Would you help make up the short falls on their $10 an hour jobs directly out of your income monthly? I already know the answer. Where's your outrage against the corporate welfare, no taxation for them? GE paid no taxes but got millions back.
You're focusing on low wage earners who didn't make the rules!!! That's cowardness!
GE is a poor example, what with Jeffery Immelt being up Obama's butt and appointed to Obama's jobs council. Which by the way, met about 4 times and accomplished zip and was just disbanded.

GE sent more jobs overseas than anyone.(Perhaps that is an overstatement...don't have the facts) But GE is directly tied to Obama via Jeffery Immelt and, I think, NBC.

Help George!

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#32 Feb 8, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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I spent one winter at H&R Block, so I know where you're coming from.
On the other hand, I also see a lot of people who never make more than $10 or $12 bucks an hour with no benefits. It's not that they don't work hard - that's just their station in life. Some work at sweat shops for that kind of money. Some have second jobs cleaning. Our office doesn't have benefits.
Let's take all the baby mommas out of the equation. So take someone who's probably been divorced (due to the insanity people bought into in the 1960')- how are you going to make it on $10 or $12 an hour?
The EIC and dependent child credit applies to married couples also.

Bob, you make it the same way you and I did when we had to. Although I didn't have children, I remember getting paid on Friday, paying the bills and having $10.00 to next payday. I did fine. And I'm better with money for it.

Without welfare or handouts from my parents.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#33 Feb 8, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
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LOL! Not into your gay sex games, but always willing to shoot down your idiotic posts and those of any other righties here.
FYI..
You just bit off more than you can ever chew, sonny. But, hey, have a go at it. Better know your subject.

Sorry I can't be around to watch for a few hours. Guys, he's all yours. LOL
KeepItReal

Cleveland, OH

#34 Feb 8, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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Well, I have an accounting degree, do tax returns pro bono and you better belive it! What a rip off. They are cutting our defense budget and throwing money away with the EIC with both hands.
A single mother with one child made $15,880. on her W-2 in 2012. Federal withholding was $1,618. IRS is sending her $5,787.00, a profit of $4,169.00.
Her state withholding was $976.00. The state is sending her $1,513.00. Another profit of $537.00.
And she collect food stamps, energy assistance, free child care and free medical care for herself and her daughter.
That is ONE. Times it by the number of parents getting the EIC and additional child credit.
It's coming out of our pockets, Buddy. We cannot sustain this.
More Obamacare...the middle class are so screwed!
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#35 Feb 8, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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The EIC and dependent child credit applies to married couples also.
Bob, you make it the same way you and I did when we had to. Although I didn't have children, I remember getting paid on Friday, paying the bills and having $10.00 to next payday. I did fine. And I'm better with money for it.
Without welfare or handouts from my parents.
Different scenario. You were young and smart. What if you're hitting 60 without a pot to piss in and working in a sweat shop factory? Yeah, you can say get a better job, retrain, yada yada ...

But, be realistic. I'm not talking about the dumbasses. I'm talking about people with limited abilities who hit their glass ceiling fairly low on the totem pole. They are doing all the right things but the combination because of the high cost of living, rent, and the current social dynamics they're hosed.

There are lots of people like that that you probably don't see because you work in a corporate environment with benefits and all that crap. But think of the guy working at the Indian-owned Exxon station on the corner.(The employee, not the owner.)

What happens if he gets sick? Do you think someone making $20,800 a year can afford the $2,500 for health insurance with the $5,000 deductible?

I'm not talking about the meth heads and the baby mommas. I'm talking about good people who may be divorced and just don't have the brainpower and/or confidence to be anything more than a $10 employee and/or office cleaner. I really don't have a problem throwing something extra to someone like that.
WiseAmerican

South Charleston, OH

#36 Feb 8, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
<quoted text>
The EIC and dependent child credit applies to married couples also.
Bob, you make it the same way you and I did when we had to. Although I didn't have children, I remember getting paid on Friday, paying the bills and having $10.00 to next payday. I did fine. And I'm better with money for it.
Without welfare or handouts from my parents.
YOU DIDN'T HAVE CHILDREN is the main statement! Today's cost are Wasatch higher than when you were young. How much is a dollar really worth now ...60?
WiseAmerican

South Charleston, OH

#37 Feb 8, 2013
Dude Watson wrote:
<quoted text>No, actually my family has ambition and goals in life. I probably spent more in taxes and tips than you made last year. So, quit with the personal attacks loser.
If you're saying that NO ONE in your family gets the EIC or any other breaks, your entire family must make over $61k a year ...EVERY ONE!
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#38 Feb 8, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text> YOU DIDN'T HAVE CHILDREN is the main statement! Today's cost are Wasatch higher than when you were young. How much is a dollar really worth now ...60?
I think some of these guys get it, I even think Seriouslady gets it if she thinks about some of the people who work FOR or around her relatives in construction. Not the union guys making $30+ an hour, but the scabs making $8. There are people no never make a lot more than that.

I am not for funding irresponsibility, but I don't consider a person like this irresponsible. Just didn't get any breaks.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#39 Feb 8, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
<quoted text>
The EIC and dependent child credit applies to married couples also.
Bob, you make it the same way you and I did when we had to. Although I didn't have children, I remember getting paid on Friday, paying the bills and having $10.00 to next payday. I did fine. And I'm better with money for it.
Without welfare or handouts from my parents.
You know something else? I would rather they get it than spending it on some other war we're going to lose or on more corporate welfare for GE.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#40 Feb 8, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Different scenario. You were young and smart. What if you're hitting 60 without a pot to piss in and working in a sweat shop factory? Yeah, you can say get a better job, retrain, yada yada ...
But, be realistic. I'm not talking about the dumbasses. I'm talking about people with limited abilities who hit their glass ceiling fairly low on the totem pole. They are doing all the right things but the combination because of the high cost of living, rent, and the current social dynamics they're hosed.
There are lots of people like that that you probably don't see because you work in a corporate environment with benefits and all that crap. But think of the guy working at the Indian-owned Exxon station on the corner.(The employee, not the owner.)
What happens if he gets sick? Do you think someone making $20,800 a year can afford the $2,500 for health insurance with the $5,000 deductible?
I'm not talking about the meth heads and the baby mommas. I'm talking about good people who may be divorced and just don't have the brainpower and/or confidence to be anything more than a $10 employee and/or office cleaner. I really don't have a problem throwing something extra to someone like that.
Nor do I. I do see it Bob. And I do sympathize with lower income people who act responsibily. Even more now with the economy so bad and inflation getting worse and worse.

From what I see, The people you're describing are not the ones benefiting most frequently from the EIC.

If you reach 60 and don't have a plan, you've fiddled while Rome was burning. You've probably lived beyond your means and worked 'under the table.'

I have a very good friend who has always cleaned houses and never worked a W-2 or 1099 job. Now she's realizing she is not going to have SS, tells me she is physically weaker than she used to be and knows time is not on her side.

Right after Christmas I was in Walmart. Snack size bags of potato chips are 25 cents, 5 for a dollar.
Checking out, the man in front of me had one bag of chips and (of course, I had already said 'hello''sorry if I'm in your way, yada yada') he politely paid the girl 25 cents, mostly in pennies. He was tall. Dignified I'd say. I said "Um. Sir, do you have anything to eat?" And he replied "No." I already had money out of my pocket, and I rarely carry any cash. I gave him a $20. and said "God bless you." He thanked me and went back into the food section of the store and just stood there looking at the freezers, hands on his hips. I told my husband that night and he said 'That's O.K. I hope you fed a family tonight.'

Point is, I'm no angel or a meanie. People do need help and that's why we have food drives and soup kitchens and welfare assistance. BUT, we simply cannot sustain the amount of money we are giving away to people, mostly young, who do not work, do not try and who get their tax $ and buy big ticket items instead of paying their rent or, God forbid, putting a little away for another day.

I don't care if they get all of their withholding returned to them. Can we just have a new law that you cannot receive more than you paid in instead of cutting our defenses?

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#41 Feb 8, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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You know something else? I would rather they get it than spending it on some other war we're going to lose or on more corporate welfare for GE.
I would too. But, I fear, war will always be with us. GE we can die tomorrow for all I care.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#42 Feb 8, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text> YOU DIDN'T HAVE CHILDREN is the main statement! Today's cost are Wasatch higher than when you were young. How much is a dollar really worth now ...60?
You're completely right. I didn't have children because it would have been irresponsible of me and I would not have been able to provide for them or spend much time with them.

It that an outlawed practice now?

I was just out of school. I was making very little.

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