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#83 May 13, 2013
Neutral Party wrote:
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SL, Kemo can't remember what he said. Instead he wants your $. Has every use for it except to teach responsibility.
No use discussing with him, he of the simple mind that believes government is the solution.
I see you also failed reading comprehension. Therefore it is you (among a lot of conservatives) who has a simple mind.

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#84 May 13, 2013
But here's your stats anyway:

But a new study published in The American Journal of Medicine says the biggest reason for going into bankruptcy is medical debt.

Early Show national correspondent Hattie Kauffman reports the study says getting sick is a factor in 62 percent of personal bankruptcies -- an increase from just eight percent in 1981.

And among those who filed for bankruptcy, 75 percent reported having some type of medical insurance. But The Washington Post says people in bankruptcy with insurance were nearly $18,000 in the red. And those without insurance had an average of almost $27,000 in medical debt.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

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Planet Earth

#85 May 13, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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You got ripped off by an insurance company and you don't care.
Ripped off? Hardly. Is homeowners' insurance a rip off, or auto insurance? No, I CHOSE to protect myself, and paid the going rate for doing so. It's no more a rip off than buying a lottery ticket that loses.
Do you think you would have paid $300,000 in taxes in that same period if we had a single payer system?
Depends on whether the premium was based on income or per capita, and with or without risk-based components to the premiums.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

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#86 May 13, 2013
Kemosahbe wrote:
But here's your stats anyway:
But a new study published in The American Journal of Medicine says the biggest reason for going into bankruptcy is medical debt.
Early Show national correspondent Hattie Kauffman reports the study says getting sick is a factor in 62 percent of personal bankruptcies -- an increase from just eight percent in 1981.
And among those who filed for bankruptcy, 75 percent reported having some type of medical insurance. But The Washington Post says people in bankruptcy with insurance were nearly $18,000 in the red. And those without insurance had an average of almost $27,000 in medical debt.
Doesn't seem like enough to go into bankruptcy over... Even for someone whose yearly income isn't much more than that. Set up a payment plan.

Interesting that the majority of those bankruptcies were for people who had insurance... Obamacare is going to help that how exactly?

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#87 May 13, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Doesn't seem like enough to go into bankruptcy over... Even for someone whose yearly income isn't much more than that. Set up a payment plan.
Interesting that the majority of those bankruptcies were for people who had insurance... Obamacare is going to help that how exactly?
It doesn't. And most health providers, either by law or voluntarily, are willing to set up very managable payment schedules.

Obamacare, fully implemented, and no one will know when that is because NO ONE understands the full law, will be the straw that breaks the financial back of our nation. And many more people will die from lack of adequate care.
Neutral Party

Louisville, KY

#90 May 15, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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You got ripped off by an insurance company and you don't care. Do you think you would have paid $300,000 in taxes in that same period if we had a single payer system?
Really? Someone has to pay. Typical liberal, let govt handle it and let someone else pay for it.

Single payer, meaning government run? Yes, let's use the most inefficient part of the US to run healthcare. Government in healthcare is the problem. Outsource Medicaid and Medicare if you want to control cost. And get the ambulance chasers under control.

“Meh.”

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#91 May 15, 2013
I've lived under a single payer system (Nippon, cha cha cha) and while it was vastly better than the US system, it's really not half as good as the NHS.

I've never understood why Americans are so determined to pay so much more per capita than anyone else. Here in the UK, everyone is covered. And in covering everyone, we manage to cut the percentage of our GDP paid into healthcare by almost half.

I'm just not sure I see the logic of a system that deliberately excludes service to some while still managing to cost more than any other system yet developed. Even if people don't want to share, don't want their funds put towards making others well (which, written down, seems rather insane) how are they willing to pay twice as much to make sure that others are excluded?
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#92 May 15, 2013
tranpsosition wrote:
I've lived under a single payer system (Nippon, cha cha cha) and while it was vastly better than the US system, it's really not half as good as the NHS.
I've never understood why Americans are so determined to pay so much more per capita than anyone else. Here in the UK, everyone is covered. And in covering everyone, we manage to cut the percentage of our GDP paid into healthcare by almost half.
I'm just not sure I see the logic of a system that deliberately excludes service to some while still managing to cost more than any other system yet developed. Even if people don't want to share, don't want their funds put towards making others well (which, written down, seems rather insane) how are they willing to pay twice as much to make sure that others are excluded?
hey genius.......what is your unemployment % in England.

The USA is over 20%. The government polishing that turd reports 8% after some unique math practice.

also we have 12,000,000 illegals, and 1,000,000 Somali refugees sucking the tit. 40,000,000 on food stamps.

there is no money tree, and someone pays the bill.

and you moronic liberals can say what you want about USA healthcare, but why do presidents of other countries, and the worlds most wealthy seek American Doctors and hospitals when they require healthcare?

hmmmmmmmmmmm?

“Meh.”

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#93 May 15, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
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hey genius.......what is your unemployment % in England.
The USA is over 20%. The government polishing that turd reports 8% after some unique math practice.
also we have 12,000,000 illegals, and 1,000,000 Somali refugees sucking the tit. 40,000,000 on food stamps.
there is no money tree, and someone pays the bill.
and you moronic liberals can say what you want about USA healthcare, but why do presidents of other countries, and the worlds most wealthy seek American Doctors and hospitals when they require healthcare?
hmmmmmmmmmmm?
7.9%

American healthcare is amazing if you have loads of cash and are willing to pay up to twice as much for the same procedures.

But out here we've got a system, that while not perfect, covers more people for less money.

It's pretty great. It's strangely cost effective (when compared to the US, at least) and it's great living in a community where people are able to get their health needs met. I don't have kids, but am happy to pay for public school because I don't want to live amongst stupid people. I'm personally not sick right now, but happy to pay for national healthcare so that I don't have to live alongside a bunch of sick people.

I'm somewhat enchanted that folks in the US who are determined to not pay to help others are instead having to pay much more per capita (and % of GDP!) than any other health care system in the world to avoid sharing.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#94 May 15, 2013
tranpsosition wrote:
I've lived under a single payer system (Nippon, cha cha cha) and while it was vastly better than the US system, it's really not half as good as the NHS.
I've never understood why Americans are so determined to pay so much more per capita than anyone else. Here in the UK, everyone is covered. And in covering everyone, we manage to cut the percentage of our GDP paid into healthcare by almost half.
I'm just not sure I see the logic of a system that deliberately excludes service to some while still managing to cost more than any other system yet developed. Even if people don't want to share, don't want their funds put towards making others well (which, written down, seems rather insane) how are they willing to pay twice as much to make sure that others are excluded?
Because we are Amuuuuricans, that's why. It is impossible for any other place in this world to have a smarter way of doing things than us. GOD created our healthcare system, durn it. Who are we to go against God?
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#95 May 15, 2013
tranpsosition wrote:
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7.9%
American healthcare is amazing if you have loads of cash and are willing to pay up to twice as much for the same procedures.
But out here we've got a system, that while not perfect, covers more people for less money.
It's pretty great. It's strangely cost effective (when compared to the US, at least) and it's great living in a community where people are able to get their health needs met. I don't have kids, but am happy to pay for public school because I don't want to live amongst stupid people. I'm personally not sick right now, but happy to pay for national healthcare so that I don't have to live alongside a bunch of sick people.
I'm somewhat enchanted that folks in the US who are determined to not pay to help others are instead having to pay much more per capita (and % of GDP!) than any other health care system in the world to avoid sharing.
Sharing is for kindergarten kids and Communists.

“animis opibusque parati”

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#96 May 15, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Because we are Amuuuuricans, that's why. It is impossible for any other place in this world to have a smarter way of doing things than us. GOD created our healthcare system, durn it. Who are we to go against God?
You can renounce citizenship at will, you know.
They cannot kill a spook

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#97 May 15, 2013
tranpsosition wrote:
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7.9%
American healthcare is amazing if you have loads of cash and are willing to pay up to twice as much for the same procedures.
But out here we've got a system, that while not perfect, covers more people for less money.
It's pretty great. It's strangely cost effective (when compared to the US, at least) and it's great living in a community where people are able to get their health needs met. I don't have kids, but am happy to pay for public school because I don't want to live amongst stupid people. I'm personally not sick right now, but happy to pay for national healthcare so that I don't have to live alongside a bunch of sick people.
I'm somewhat enchanted that folks in the US who are determined to not pay to help others are instead having to pay much more per capita (and % of GDP!) than any other health care system in the world to avoid sharing.
When I need medical services I am willing to pay cash for it. By doing so I.don't have the wait like the socialist trash of Europe and Canada does.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#98 May 15, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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You can renounce citizenship at will, you know.
So can you. What's your point?

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#99 May 15, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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So can you. What's your point?
You seem very unhappy when U.S. citizens promote Constitutional ideals.
Drunk, fat, stupid...and anti-American...is no way to go through life.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#100 May 15, 2013
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You seem very unhappy when U.S. citizens promote Constitutional ideals.
Drunk, fat, stupid...and anti-American...is no way to go through life.
Not true. I think it is comical how certain folks in this country stubbornly refuse to improve it because of fear and ingnorance.

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#101 May 15, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Not true. I think it is comical how certain folks in this country stubbornly refuse to improve it because of fear and ingnorance.
Destroying our constitutionally-guaranteed freedoms is not an improvement.
Naturally, I don't expect a Progressive [i.e., socialist] to understand.

Want socialism?
Leave the USA.

“Meh.”

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#102 May 15, 2013
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Destroying our constitutionally-guaranteed freedoms is not an improvement.
Naturally, I don't expect a Progressive [i.e., socialist] to understand.
Want socialism?
Leave the USA.
I'm not really sure that's the way America works.

In America, as in many democracies, you have the option to help contribute to and vote for changes you want to see in your community and country. This can include changes up to and including the constitutional level, as can be seen in the changes made to the document throughout history.

While people do have the option of seeking to immigrate to countries that might better fit their beliefs, they also have the option (and some would claim, duty) to work to move their country in the direction they think best.

There are really incredible changes being made every day. It would seem a shame to encourage people working to make their homes better to instead leave.

“animis opibusque parati”

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#103 May 15, 2013
tranpsosition wrote:
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I'm not really sure that's the way America works.
In America, as in many democracies, you have the option to help contribute to and vote for changes you want to see in your community and country. This can include changes up to and including the constitutional level, as can be seen in the changes made to the document throughout history.
While people do have the option of seeking to immigrate to countries that might better fit their beliefs, they also have the option (and some would claim, duty) to work to move their country in the direction they think best.
There are really incredible changes being made every day. It would seem a shame to encourage people working to make their homes better to instead leave.
From the poster who's very obviously "not really sure" how reality works -- the poster who stated that NHS care was "free."

Then again, socialists believe anything provided by others' earnings is "free."
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#104 May 15, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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Destroying our constitutionally-guaranteed freedoms is not an improvement.
Naturally, I don't expect a Progressive [i.e., socialist] to understand.
Want socialism?
Leave the USA.
Ok. I will regret asking this I am sure, but what constitutionally-guaranteed freedoms does a single payer health system destroy?

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