So, there is no Death Panels in Obama...
They cannot kill a spook

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#41 May 13, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Interesting tactic you have developed. Pack so much inaccuracy into one post that no rational person would ever spend the energy correcting all you have wrong. Well played.
Maybe the pizza man can deliver to you too.

“Hi-Yo Silver! Away!”

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#43 May 13, 2013
They cannot kill a spook wrote:
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One thing I can text and drive, it is easy to do or cops wouldn't be exempt from texting bans.
But say a.democrat hit me broad side and the rest of your scenario happened. My living will and medical power of attorney would kick in and a designated person would pay then bill. 500k is not that much. With your scenario though would probably result in my death because I don't have a desire to be a tater, hence the living will.
Glad to know you are perfect like God, being sure you will never be in an accident that is your own fault.

"500k is not that much". This shows how out of touch you are with the rest of humanity. For your average working stiff, that's at least 10 years of salary, with no money for anything except to pay the bill. This is why a high percentage of bankruptcies are medical ones.

“Hi-Yo Silver! Away!”

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#44 May 13, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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No, buying insurance is a CHOICE.
Duh, ya think? The point is, when you file a large claim under insurance, other people are paying YOUR freight. That's what all these rugged individualists are beating their chest about, everybody has to pay all their own stuff all the time. If you believe that, you CAN'T believe in insurance without being a hypocrite.

“Hi-Yo Silver! Away!”

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#45 May 13, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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I respectfully disagree. You have paid for your health insurance, so you have paid. MANY people pay for health insurance and rarely use it. That money collected pays for them if and when they do need it, and others, elderly or diseased, who do need the care.
'The pursuit of happiness' includes taking responsibility for yourself and your family. Work and pay for your health insurance just like you do auto and homeowners insurance.
Yes, I know doctors who either treat for free or drastically cut their fees for uninsured patients. Haven't seen the same doctor's hike their fee for more affluent patients.
Lord, doctors get out of medical school, internship and residency and are immediately hit with huge malpractice insurance costs and high taxes, while paying off their school loans.
Too many entitlements in this country lead us close to being Greece. Does any American want that?
Your first paragraph proves my point. Get hit with a devastating illness, and I guarantee all the premiums you have and will pay won't come close to covering the cost of your treatment. From that point on you will be using other peoples' money.

“Hi-Yo Silver! Away!”

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#46 May 13, 2013
Neutral Party wrote:
Healthcare is a right? Liberals agree with that. I don't see that in the constitution but the libs always have found those hidden meanings.
We already have a safety net for those $500K bills. Catastrophic health episodes many times qualify for medicaid. Disability is then available for those unable to return to work.
What we have here is another attempt of the left to provide free stuff to those with no skin in the game. I still believe that everyone has something to offer.
If you have a right to eat, get healthcare, housing etc then you have an obligation to earn it. There is plenty to do in this world and not having a paying job is no excuse. That is the difference of a conservative view and a liberal view.
Medicaid and disability = using other peoples' money, even if you already had skin in the game. All of you keep proving my point, and thinking you're winning. You're not.

“MAGA”

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#47 May 13, 2013
Kemosahbe wrote:
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Uh, gee, the same courts.
Eric Holder will be all over it huh.

“MAGA”

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#48 May 13, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Start at "I" and end at "courage."
So you have nothing huh 0.0

They cannot kill a spook

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#49 May 13, 2013
Free Pizza 4 U wrote:
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So you have nothing huh 0.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =bK-Dqj4fHmMXX
Che needs a pack of batteries. Can you take her some with the pizza?

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#50 May 13, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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As I understand it, the fine will not be levied if the hospital gets pre-approval for the re-admission. My objection is that government will have KNOWLEDGE of my admission, re-admission, or any other medical treatment. It's none of their GDMF business!
100% in agreement that our health should remain between ourselves and our doctors. Why all the HIPPA laws if any low level, or high level government can have access to the information?

But, Tony, most re-admissions are at an emergency leve. How long does one have to wait for governemntal 'pre-approval' for 're-admission?'

That punishes the tax payers who fune the bloody (and it will be) Obamacare in the first place.

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#51 May 13, 2013
Whoa...^^leve^^= level
^^fune^^= fund

Busy Monday morning.

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#52 May 13, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
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point out an inaccuracy in her post.
I missed them.
Ignore Che. It's disturbing noise that serves to interrupt the conversation.

:-) Thanks, RS

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#53 May 13, 2013
Kemosahbe wrote:
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Your first paragraph proves my point. Get hit with a devastating illness, and I guarantee all the premiums you have and will pay won't come close to covering the cost of your treatment. From that point on you will be using other peoples' money.
You are disregarding the millions upon millions of working Americans, like my husband, that have paid for health insurance for the last 30 years and never used it, or used it SLIGHTLY.

Even myself. I have two 'well visits' per year to my doc. That is about 1%, if that, of the cost of my employer provided health insurance.

Yes, we may need an expensive treatment in the future, but we won't get it any faster than someone of medicare that has not worked.

In cases like ours, it would truly be better to have health plans with deductibles of $5,000. to $10,000.

Obamacare, like very other entitlement, begins with good intentions and ends up unaffordable and filled with fraud and abuse.

We have a $17 TRILLION debt. The country simply cannot afford it.

Since: Jan 12

Columbus, OH

#54 May 13, 2013
Kemosahbe wrote:
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You're texting and driving, which I have read you claim you can do, only you don't do it, your truck runs off the road, you slide sideways into a tree, and your head whacks said tree. Unfortunately, it didn't kill you, but gave you a traumatic brain injury. You spend a month in a coma, three more recovering, and you can no longer work. Because Obamacare hasn't fully kicked in, your insurance company finds some pre-existing condition and drops you. You get home and the bills come in and they are $500k. And climbing.
How do you pay for that?
I guess according to you, you should just off yourself.
I'm not that cold-blooded.
In Spook world that individual is a 'leech' at the time of job loss and disability. So, from that time moving forward he/she must rely solely on family and/or friends for shelter, food, clothing, continued medical care, etc,. Or get a tin cup, find a nice exit ramp off the freeway or some spot in front of a major insurance company downtown, and shake that cup in hopes that someone dressed in a Brooks Brother suit coming out the building at 5:00, will toss a quarter in your cup.

That is the world in which Spook and his cohorts would love to see. But, if they happened to cross paths with a flea bitten, dirty, hungry ,scraggly hair, mutt or cat, they'd lovingly pick that feral beast up and tenderly stroke its mangy hide against their chest as fleas are jumping off with each stroke, instead of putting a shoe in the side of filthy creature and letting it "find it's own way to survive".

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#55 May 13, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text> In Spook world that individual is a 'leech' at the time of job loss and disability. So, from that time moving forward he/she must rely solely on family and/or friends for shelter, food, clothing, continued medical care, etc,. Or get a tin cup, find a nice exit ramp off the freeway or some spot in front of a major insurance company downtown, and shake that cup in hopes that someone dressed in a Brooks Brother suit coming out the building at 5:00, will toss a quarter in your cup.
That is the world in which Spook and his cohorts would love to see. But, if they happened to cross paths with a flea bitten, dirty, hungry ,scraggly hair, mutt or cat, they'd lovingly pick that feral beast up and tenderly stroke its mangy hide against their chest as fleas are jumping off with each stroke, instead of putting a shoe in the side of filthy creature and letting it "find it's own way to survive".
WA, that is not how I feel. I do know 'the poor will always be among us' and we are bound morally to help our fellow man. But it is a moral obligation, not one that should be imposed via taxes by any government.

That will always breed resentment, abuse and slothfulness. Isn't slouthfulness one of the seven deadly sins?

Both of my great-grandfathers died in their early 30's, leaving behind 2 widows and 10 children. There were no social programs or entitlements then. They survived through work and family and formed strong bonds and adults.

The saddest part of entitlements is that they have lead to the breakdown of the family, in my view.
They cannot kill a spook

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#56 May 13, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text> In Spook world that individual is a 'leech' at the time of job loss and disability. So, from that time moving forward he/she must rely solely on family and/or friends for shelter, food, clothing, continued medical care, etc,. Or get a tin cup, find a nice exit ramp off the freeway or some spot in front of a major insurance company downtown, and shake that cup in hopes that someone dressed in a Brooks Brother suit coming out the building at 5:00, will toss a quarter in your cup.
That is the world in which Spook and his cohorts would love to see. But, if they happened to cross paths with a flea bitten, dirty, hungry ,scraggly hair, mutt or cat, they'd lovingly pick that feral beast up and tenderly stroke its mangy hide against their chest as fleas are jumping off with each stroke, instead of putting a shoe in the side of filthy creature and letting it "find it's own way to survive".
I have nothing against charity. I do however have no use for forced redistribution of my wealth. Cats are nice for the most part people on the other hand are often thieves .
In my world everyone not in prison would be allowed to carry firearms even fully automatic ones.

Since: Jan 12

Columbus, OH

#57 May 13, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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WA, that is not how I feel. I do know 'the poor will always be among us' and we are bound morally to help our fellow man. But it is a moral obligation, not one that should be imposed via taxes by any government.
That will always breed resentment, abuse and slothfulness. Isn't slouthfulness one of the seven deadly sins?
Both of my great-grandfathers died in their early 30's, leaving behind 2 widows and 10 children. There were no social programs or entitlements then. They survived through work and family and formed strong bonds and adults.
The saddest part of entitlements is that they have lead to the breakdown of the family, in my view.
Back then, SL, anyone could walk into a place to get a job regardless if they could read or write. Try that today and see how many return interviews you get (not you literally). Back then, they needed your brawn, now they have phone book seized application files to choose from. It's not as simple as going out and finding a job. I think most people over 40 on Topix don't realize how much things have changed from the 'good ole days' of the Clinton era. Have you been to a McDonald's or a Wendy's lately? The turn over is astounding! Major Corporation s are making huge profits on stocks without hiring any new workers. This country is in serious 'individual' financial trouble.

Since: Jan 12

Columbus, OH

#58 May 13, 2013
They cannot kill a spook wrote:
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I have nothing against charity. I do however have no use for forced redistribution of my wealth. Cats are nice for the most part people on the other hand are often thieves .
In my world everyone not in prison would be allowed to carry firearms even fully automatic ones.
I don't recall Jesus telling the 5,000 he fed that he wants all the thieves or prostitutes to form and separate line.

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#59 May 13, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text> Back then, SL, anyone could walk into a place to get a job regardless if they could read or write. Try that today and see how many return interviews you get (not you literally). Back then, they needed your brawn, now they have phone book seized application files to choose from. It's not as simple as going out and finding a job. I think most people over 40 on Topix don't realize how much things have changed from the 'good ole days' of the Clinton era. Have you been to a McDonald's or a Wendy's lately? The turn over is astounding! Major Corporation s are making huge profits on stocks without hiring any new workers. This country is in serious 'individual' financial trouble.
No, they couldn't WA. It was the great depression. There were no jobs. And both widows had children to care for. My paternal great-grandmother had 7! She took in boarders, cooked for soldiers guarding a local bridge and did laundry. Her family helped. They grew their own gardens and did without.

My maternal great grandmother had 3 children. They moved in with her mother and she did seamtress work and they had a garden and chickens. And they did without. Other aunts and uncles helped as they could.

The families were CLOSE. In today's world of entitlements, folks don't need their families. The government becomes their caretakers. And that is not what God intended. In my humble opinion. What can a child learn, and how much love do they receive, from a faceless government? Would they not be better served in the home of a grandparent or uncle and aunt?

It's like sticking our elderly in nursing homes on the medicare dime. They would be better off, better cared for and live longer kept at home being taken care of by their family.

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#60 May 13, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text> I don't recall Jesus telling the 5,000 he fed that he wants all the thieves or prostitutes to form and separate line.
Of course not. But the government is selectively deciding who and how lives are financed, therfore lived.
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#61 May 13, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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No, they couldn't WA. It was the great depression. There were no jobs. And both widows had children to care for. My paternal great-grandmother had 7! She took in boarders, cooked for soldiers guarding a local bridge and did laundry. Her family helped. They grew their own gardens and did without.
My maternal great grandmother had 3 children. They moved in with her mother and she did seamtress work and they had a garden and chickens. And they did without. Other aunts and uncles helped as they could.
The families were CLOSE. In today's world of entitlements, folks don't need their families. The government becomes their caretakers. And that is not what God intended. In my humble opinion. What can a child learn, and how much love do they receive, from a faceless government? Would they not be better served in the home of a grandparent or uncle and aunt?
It's like sticking our elderly in nursing homes on the medicare dime. They would be better off, better cared for and live longer kept at home being taken care of by their family.
I guess that explains why your stepson's illegitmate child and its mother get government assistance.

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