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May 12, 2013
 
Free Pizza 4 U wrote:
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Remember when the courts forced insurance companies to start paying?
http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1995/Insurance-C...
Who is going to force Obamas's APPOINTED bureaucrats?
Sarah apparently took some time and read at least some of the bill huh
It's killing you that she was right
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Uh, gee, the same courts.
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So logically that means you are against any kind of insurance.
If others want.to share your bills fine. But there has to be a point where the cost surpasses any chance.for profit thus insurance companies will no longer pay, then what is your solution? Theft or slavery since you claim you have a right to medical services even though you can't pay.
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You're texting and driving, which I have read you claim you can do, only you don't do it, your truck runs off the road, you slide sideways into a tree, and your head whacks said tree. Unfortunately, it didn't kill you, but gave you a traumatic brain injury. You spend a month in a coma, three more recovering, and you can no longer work. Because Obamacare hasn't fully kicked in, your insurance company finds some pre-existing condition and drops you. You get home and the bills come in and they are $500k. And climbing.
How do you pay for that?
I guess according to you, you should just off yourself.
I'm not that cold-blooded.
One thing I can text and drive, it is easy to do or cops wouldn't be exempt from texting bans.

But say a.democrat hit me broad side and the rest of your scenario happened. My living will and medical power of attorney would kick in and a designated person would pay then bill. 500k is not that much. With your scenario though would probably result in my death because I don't have a desire to be a tater, hence the living will.

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May 12, 2013
 
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They still might not.
What people fail to recognize is that Obamacare will not pay for all of their needs, either, at a great boon to Big Pharma and the medical industry as well as their stockholders. The difference is that the government is now in charge of things, whereas before at least you had the option to do what you felt was best based on your needs. Unfortunately, that got overshadowed by the "right" to free birth control.
There simply isn't a perfect answer, but it was wrong of the Dems to push this through too early. When the Dem architect of the bill calls it a train wreck, well, that's probably only the tip of the iceberg. It is a crying shame that Medicaid qualifications weren't relaxed to allow those in who truly needed insurance while they worked on a decent health insurance plan. As a cancer patient, should I end up on the exchanges I already know that I will need to pay for the most expensive plan to be adequately covered - a plan that is not eligible for any kind of subsidy.
I agree with all you say. It was really rushed through, no one understands it, the doctors hate it and quite a few will refuse to accept it, as many do medicare and medicaid patients now.

And truly, I don't blame them. I know from personal experience that it takes the government up to two years to reimbuse them for those patients, and then it's a partial reimbursement.

Most docs work 80 hours a week, 30 percent of their income goes for malpractice insurance and another 30 to 45 percent to income taxes.

At the least, Obamacare, in all it's wisdom, could have insituted 'tort reform', in that if any healthcare provider is sued and prevail in court, the plaintiff has to reimbuse their defense fees. But the trial lawyers have a much stronger lobby in DC then doctors.(Nothing against lawyers)

I have worked closely with cancer patients for the last 20 years. I know so many success stories. All across the country there are private foundations, funded by private wealthy citizens, that will cover the costs of cancer treatment. You just have to look for them. If you lose your care because of the health insurance debacle, I encourage you to look into that avenue. And I admire your courage.

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May 12, 2013
 
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So logically that means you are against any kind of insurance.
No, buying insurance is a CHOICE.
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I agree with all you say. It was really rushed through, no one understands it, the doctors hate it and quite a few will refuse to accept it, as many do medicare and medicaid patients now.
And truly, I don't blame them. I know from personal experience that it takes the government up to two years to reimbuse them for those patients, and then it's a partial reimbursement.
Most docs work 80 hours a week, 30 percent of their income goes for malpractice insurance and another 30 to 45 percent to income taxes.
At the least, Obamacare, in all it's wisdom, could have insituted 'tort reform', in that if any healthcare provider is sued and prevail in court, the plaintiff has to reimbuse their defense fees. But the trial lawyers have a much stronger lobby in DC then doctors.(Nothing against lawyers)
I have worked closely with cancer patients for the last 20 years. I know so many success stories. All across the country there are private foundations, funded by private wealthy citizens, that will cover the costs of cancer treatment. You just have to look for them. If you lose your care because of the health insurance debacle, I encourage you to look into that avenue. And I admire your courage.
Charity is fine. Forced theft via government is pure evil.

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I respectfully disagree with your contention that "before at least you had the option to do what you felt was best based on your needs". Unless you have the funds to pay for stuff directly, you are always at the mercy of the insurance companies, specifically in the area of a stay in the hospital. As long as you are improving, they will pay, but the minute you plateau, out you go, many times before you are ready. I know of several who were discharged early, then had to go back because of previously unresolved complications, and one nearly died on the way back.
Just addressing this 'hospital readmittance' issue, and I apologize that I do not remember or have the details at hand; but my understanding is that under Obamacare, hospitals and health faciities will be fined heavily if the re-admit patients.

I have a friend who had a leg amputated in 2010 and he's been readmitted no less than 10 times due to complications. And that hospital is John Hopkins.

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Uh, gee, the same courts.
No. The courts will not intervene and you would have to look long and hard for an attorney to represent you. At a time you are the most vulnerable.

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They cannot kill a spook wrote:
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No one has a right to a service for which they cannot pay including medical treatment.
Under current law, no hospital in America can turn away a patient due to an inability to pay.

Health insurance is like car insurance, you need it, you pay for it. Or, here, you get treated for free or added to the already abused medicaid rolls.

Medicare...no problem. Both you and your employer contributed. Medicaid is fine as a temporary tool, but the patient fraud and abuse is rampant.

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#30
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If you pay by insurance, YOU'RE not paying. A bunch of other people Plus you are. That's how insurance works, but I'm sure you know that.
Many doctors will help people who can't pay, then raise rates on the rest of us or on insurance companies.
But if people have a right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness", they sure as hell have a right to health care. More of a right to that than to firearms, and I support the 2nd Amendment.
I respectfully disagree. You have paid for your health insurance, so you have paid. MANY people pay for health insurance and rarely use it. That money collected pays for them if and when they do need it, and others, elderly or diseased, who do need the care.

'The pursuit of happiness' includes taking responsibility for yourself and your family. Work and pay for your health insurance just like you do auto and homeowners insurance.

Yes, I know doctors who either treat for free or drastically cut their fees for uninsured patients. Haven't seen the same doctor's hike their fee for more affluent patients.

Lord, doctors get out of medical school, internship and residency and are immediately hit with huge malpractice insurance costs and high taxes, while paying off their school loans.

Too many entitlements in this country lead us close to being Greece. Does any American want that?

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They cannot kill a spook wrote:
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Charity is fine. Forced theft via government is pure evil.
Spot on, Spookerini

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They cannot kill a spook wrote:
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Charity is fine. Forced theft via government is pure evil.
I agree, Spook. I just wanted to let her know that there are many charitable foundations funded by private citizens that sole purpose is to provide cancer treatment for those that are not insured. The government has nothing to do with other than most have a 501c filing status. As they should.

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Seriouslady wrote:
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Just addressing this 'hospital readmittance' issue, and I apologize that I do not remember or have the details at hand; but my understanding is that under Obamacare, hospitals and health faciities will be fined heavily if the re-admit patients.


As I understand it, the fine will not be levied if the hospital gets pre-approval for the re-admission. My objection is that government will have KNOWLEDGE of my admission, re-admission, or any other medical treatment. It's none of their GDMF business!
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#34
May 13, 2013
 
Healthcare is a right? Liberals agree with that. I don't see that in the constitution but the libs always have found those hidden meanings.

We already have a safety net for those $500K bills. Catastrophic health episodes many times qualify for medicaid. Disability is then available for those unable to return to work.

What we have here is another attempt of the left to provide free stuff to those with no skin in the game. I still believe that everyone has something to offer.

If you have a right to eat, get healthcare, housing etc then you have an obligation to earn it. There is plenty to do in this world and not having a paying job is no excuse. That is the difference of a conservative view and a liberal view.
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#35
May 13, 2013
 
Seriouslady wrote:
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Just addressing this 'hospital readmittance' issue, and I apologize that I do not remember or have the details at hand; but my understanding is that under Obamacare, hospitals and health faciities will be fined heavily if the re-admit patients.
I have a friend who had a leg amputated in 2010 and he's been readmitted no less than 10 times due to complications. And that hospital is John Hopkins.
That's just brilliant. "I do not remember or have the details at hand" but allow me to "address the issue." THAT's why (among many other reason's) you are an idiot. When you don't know, just shut up.
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Seriouslady wrote:
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I agree with all you say. It was really rushed through, no one understands it, the doctors hate it and quite a few will refuse to accept it, as many do medicare and medicaid patients now.
And truly, I don't blame them. I know from personal experience that it takes the government up to two years to reimbuse them for those patients, and then it's a partial reimbursement.
Most docs work 80 hours a week, 30 percent of their income goes for malpractice insurance and another 30 to 45 percent to income taxes.
At the least, Obamacare, in all it's wisdom, could have insituted 'tort reform', in that if any healthcare provider is sued and prevail in court, the plaintiff has to reimbuse their defense fees. But the trial lawyers have a much stronger lobby in DC then doctors.(Nothing against lawyers)
I have worked closely with cancer patients for the last 20 years. I know so many success stories. All across the country there are private foundations, funded by private wealthy citizens, that will cover the costs of cancer treatment. You just have to look for them. If you lose your care because of the health insurance debacle, I encourage you to look into that avenue. And I admire your courage.
Interesting tactic you have developed. Pack so much inaccuracy into one post that no rational person would ever spend the energy correcting all you have wrong. Well played.
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May 13, 2013
 
Kemosahbe wrote:
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I respectfully disagree with your contention that "before at least you had the option to do what you felt was best based on your needs". Unless you have the funds to pay for stuff directly, you are always at the mercy of the insurance companies, specifically in the area of a stay in the hospital. As long as you are improving, they will pay, but the minute you plateau, out you go, many times before you are ready. I know of several who were discharged early, then had to go back because of previously unresolved complications, and one nearly died on the way back.
For the foreseeable future, my national vote will be with Democrats, because at least with Obamacare they tried to do something about the abysmal state of health care. Republicans did nothing but deny, at first, then obstruct, throw sand in the gears, and cause things to be added that made Obamacare the dog's breakfast that it is. Then turn around and blame the Democrats for the result. I have no use at all for the scumbags. All they know and will do is take care of their rich friends and to hell with everybody else. So blame them, not Obama. At least things can get fixed if we as a nation throw out enough Republicans so that they can't obstruct progress.
This could have all been avoided if we had simply put everyone on Medicare, improved the funding and service, and released private companies from providing for health care. Private enterprise has no business being in an activity that is such a drag on profits.
you require surgery to remove your head from your intestines. You are way beyond just having it up your azz.
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Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Interesting tactic you have developed. Pack so much inaccuracy into one post that no rational person would ever spend the energy correcting all you have wrong. Well played.
point out an inaccuracy in her post.

I missed them.
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point out an inaccuracy in her post.
I missed them.
Start at "I" and end at "courage."

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