So, there is no Death Panels in Obama Care?

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The Truth

San Luis Obispo, CA

#1 May 11, 2013
But, your still voting for Democrats......

http://www.businessinsider.com/obamacare-ipab...

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#2 May 11, 2013
The Truth wrote:
But, your still voting for Democrats......
http://www.businessinsider.com/obamacare-ipab...
And "you're" still ignorant.

We've had death panels for years and years. They're called health insurance companies. Remember when they wouldn't pay for bone marrow transplants?

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Since: May 13

Columbus, OH

#3 May 11, 2013
Kemosahbe wrote:
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And "you're" still ignorant.
We've had death panels for years and years. They're called health insurance companies. Remember when they wouldn't pay for bone marrow transplants?
Remember when the courts forced insurance companies to start paying?

http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1995/Insurance-C...

Who is going to force Obamas's APPOINTED bureaucrats?

Sarah apparently took some time and read at least some of the bill huh

It's killing you that she was right

WOLF

Wait what

Dublin, OH

#4 May 11, 2013
Kemosahbe wrote:
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And "you're" still ignorant.
We've had death panels for years and years. They're called health insurance companies. Remember when they wouldn't pay for bone marrow transplants?
They still might not.

What people fail to recognize is that Obamacare will not pay for all of their needs, either, at a great boon to Big Pharma and the medical industry as well as their stockholders. The difference is that the government is now in charge of things, whereas before at least you had the option to do what you felt was best based on your needs. Unfortunately, that got overshadowed by the "right" to free birth control.

There simply isn't a perfect answer, but it was wrong of the Dems to push this through too early. When the Dem architect of the bill calls it a train wreck, well, that's probably only the tip of the iceberg. It is a crying shame that Medicaid qualifications weren't relaxed to allow those in who truly needed insurance while they worked on a decent health insurance plan. As a cancer patient, should I end up on the exchanges I already know that I will need to pay for the most expensive plan to be adequately covered - a plan that is not eligible for any kind of subsidy.

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#5 May 12, 2013
Wait what wrote:
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They still might not.
What people fail to recognize is that Obamacare will not pay for all of their needs, either, at a great boon to Big Pharma and the medical industry as well as their stockholders. The difference is that the government is now in charge of things, whereas before at least you had the option to do what you felt was best based on your needs. Unfortunately, that got overshadowed by the "right" to free birth control.
There simply isn't a perfect answer, but it was wrong of the Dems to push this through too early. When the Dem architect of the bill calls it a train wreck, well, that's probably only the tip of the iceberg. It is a crying shame that Medicaid qualifications weren't relaxed to allow those in who truly needed insurance while they worked on a decent health insurance plan. As a cancer patient, should I end up on the exchanges I already know that I will need to pay for the most expensive plan to be adequately covered - a plan that is not eligible for any kind of subsidy.
I respectfully disagree with your contention that "before at least you had the option to do what you felt was best based on your needs". Unless you have the funds to pay for stuff directly, you are always at the mercy of the insurance companies, specifically in the area of a stay in the hospital. As long as you are improving, they will pay, but the minute you plateau, out you go, many times before you are ready. I know of several who were discharged early, then had to go back because of previously unresolved complications, and one nearly died on the way back.

For the foreseeable future, my national vote will be with Democrats, because at least with Obamacare they tried to do something about the abysmal state of health care. Republicans did nothing but deny, at first, then obstruct, throw sand in the gears, and cause things to be added that made Obamacare the dog's breakfast that it is. Then turn around and blame the Democrats for the result. I have no use at all for the scumbags. All they know and will do is take care of their rich friends and to hell with everybody else. So blame them, not Obama. At least things can get fixed if we as a nation throw out enough Republicans so that they can't obstruct progress.

This could have all been avoided if we had simply put everyone on Medicare, improved the funding and service, and released private companies from providing for health care. Private enterprise has no business being in an activity that is such a drag on profits.
They cannot kill a spook

Chicago, IL

#6 May 12, 2013
Kemosahbe wrote:
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I respectfully disagree with your contention that "before at least you had the option to do what you felt was best based on your needs". Unless you have the funds to pay for stuff directly, you are always at the mercy of the insurance companies, specifically in the area of a stay in the hospital. As long as you are improving, they will pay, but the minute you plateau, out you go, many times before you are ready. I know of several who were discharged early, then had to go back because of previously unresolved complications, and one nearly died on the way back.
For the foreseeable future, my national vote will be with Democrats, because at least with Obamacare they tried to do something about the abysmal state of health care. Republicans did nothing but deny, at first, then obstruct, throw sand in the gears, and cause things to be added that made Obamacare the dog's breakfast that it is. Then turn around and blame the Democrats for the result. I have no use at all for the scumbags. All they know and will do is take care of their rich friends and to hell with everybody else. So blame them, not Obama. At least things can get fixed if we as a nation throw out enough Republicans so that they can't obstruct progress.
This could have all been avoided if we had simply put everyone on Medicare, improved the funding and service, and released private companies from providing for health care. Private enterprise has no business being in an activity that is such a drag on profits.
No one has a right to a service for which they cannot pay including medical treatment.

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#7 May 12, 2013
They cannot kill a spook wrote:
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No one has a right to a service for which they cannot pay including medical treatment.
As far as your statement regarding medical care: bull puckey.
They cannot kill a spook

Chicago, IL

#8 May 12, 2013
Kemosahbe wrote:
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As far as your statement regarding medical care: bull puckey.
If you can't pay ( included on that is insurance if you pay tje premiums ) you believe the doctors should work free? Or someone else should pay your bills?

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#9 May 12, 2013
They cannot kill a spook wrote:
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If you can't pay ( included on that is insurance if you pay tje premiums ) you believe the doctors should work free? Or someone else should pay your bills?
If you pay by insurance, YOU'RE not paying. A bunch of other people Plus you are. That's how insurance works, but I'm sure you know that.

Many doctors will help people who can't pay, then raise rates on the rest of us or on insurance companies.

But if people have a right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness", they sure as hell have a right to health care. More of a right to that than to firearms, and I support the 2nd Amendment.
They cannot kill a spook

Chicago, IL

#10 May 12, 2013
Kemosahbe wrote:
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If you pay by insurance, YOU'RE not paying. A bunch of other people Plus you are. That's how insurance works, but I'm sure you know that.
Many doctors will help people who can't pay, then raise rates on the rest of us or on insurance companies.
But if people have a right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness", they sure as hell have a right to health care. More of a right to that than to firearms, and I support the 2nd Amendment.
So your life liberty and happiness is more important than the doctors? If you can not pay and you expect free services you are depriving the doctor and staff of their liberty and happiness.

I know how insurance works. It is still you and those willing to join with you paying. Until Osama care no one was forced to buy health insurance. Those of us with means only bought catastrophic coverage not insurance that covered wellness vists etc.

Bottom line is you have no right to anything you can't pay or trade for. Not medical services , food, fuel for heat or transportation.

If all insurance and government redistribution of money ended medical car would be much cheaper and the low lifes would die off.
Neutral Party

Louisville, KY

#11 May 12, 2013
Sounds like Kemosahbe needs some reality. First of all, believing that the Democrat's are the choice because they did something about healthcare. Since the government has gotten involved in healthcare 50 years ago the cost of healthcare has risen at a much higher rate than inflation.

Every time the government gets involved the cost skyrockets.

Regarding insurance: I pay premiums, deductibles and co-pays. So yes, although my insurance may pay a portion eventually I do pay. Perhaps your on Medicaid and pay nothing which supports your notion that a person doesn't pay directly.

Bottom line, if you want to improve healthcare get the government out of it.

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#12 May 12, 2013
Neutral Party wrote:
Sounds like Kemosahbe needs some reality. First of all, believing that the Democrat's are the choice because they did something about healthcare. Since the government has gotten involved in healthcare 50 years ago the cost of healthcare has risen at a much higher rate than inflation.
Every time the government gets involved the cost skyrockets.
Regarding insurance: I pay premiums, deductibles and co-pays. So yes, although my insurance may pay a portion eventually I do pay. Perhaps your on Medicaid and pay nothing which supports your notion that a person doesn't pay directly.
Bottom line, if you want to improve healthcare get the government out of it.
When you have a hospital stay that runs $500,000, you will pay that? In how many lifetimes? Especially if you lose your job and health insurance.

Your logic above that statement is flawed in the extreme. Look up Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

I pay plenty for insurance through my company.
They cannot kill a spook

Chicago, IL

#13 May 12, 2013
As for the death panel I would happily be the sole death panel mamber. If they are democrat or IRS BATF TSA or an FOP member medical treat would be denied.

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Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#14 May 12, 2013
Neutral Party wrote:
Sounds like Kemosahbe needs some reality. First of all, believing that the Democrat's are the choice because they did something about healthcare. Since the government has gotten involved in healthcare 50 years ago the cost of healthcare has risen at a much higher rate than inflation.
Every time the government gets involved the cost skyrockets.
Regarding insurance: I pay premiums, deductibles and co-pays. So yes, although my insurance may pay a portion eventually I do pay. Perhaps your on Medicaid and pay nothing which supports your notion that a person doesn't pay directly.
Not only do you pay for yours, you pay extra because government programs don't reimburse 100% of the charges, and that cost gets added to paying customers' bills... it's like another hidden tax.

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#15 May 12, 2013
They cannot kill a spook wrote:
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So your life liberty and happiness is more important than the doctors? If you can not pay and you expect free services you are depriving the doctor and staff of their liberty and happiness.
I know how insurance works. It is still you and those willing to join with you paying. Until Osama care no one was forced to buy health insurance. Those of us with means only bought catastrophic coverage not insurance that covered wellness vists etc.
Bottom line is you have no right to anything you can't pay or trade for. Not medical services , food, fuel for heat or transportation.
If all insurance and government redistribution of money ended medical car would be much cheaper and the low lifes would die off.
Personally, I don't expect free anything. Anyone else, you'll have to take it up with them. I'm just telling you how it works in the real life.

I'm not talking food, fuel, or etc. Health care is a fundamental human right. People who think like you do I consider low lifes.

Catastrophic is ludicrous. If you had full coverage, chances are you would have less chance of getting into a catastrophe. Your thinking is completely backward.

And everybody needs to have health insurance. Sorry, that's something you should not have a choice in. When, not if, you get into a health mess, you'll see I am right.

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#16 May 12, 2013
They cannot kill a spook wrote:
As for the death panel I would happily be the sole death panel mamber. If they are democrat or IRS BATF TSA or an FOP member medical treat would be denied.
And if I were on it you would be denied.

See how that works?
They cannot kill a spook

Chicago, IL

#17 May 12, 2013
Kemosahbe wrote:
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When you have a hospital stay that runs $500,000, you will pay that? In how many lifetimes? Especially if you lose your job and health insurance.
Your logic above that statement is flawed in the extreme. Look up Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
I pay plenty for insurance through my company.
500k ? Not even a bus load of liberals are worth that. And you think that everyone should be given services of that cost?
They cannot kill a spook

Chicago, IL

#18 May 12, 2013
Kemosahbe wrote:
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Personally, I don't expect free anything. Anyone else, you'll have to take it up with them. I'm just telling you how it works in the real life.
I'm not talking food, fuel, or etc. Health care is a fundamental human right. People who think like you do I consider low lifes.
Catastrophic is ludicrous. If you had full coverage, chances are you would have less chance of getting into a catastrophe. Your thinking is completely backward.
And everybody needs to have health insurance. Sorry, that's something you should not have a choice in. When, not if, you get into a health mess, you'll see I am right.
So again if it is a human right then if you can't pay you then must deny someone elses human rights by either stealing someones property/money or forcing them into slavery to give you free services.

Again you have no right to anything you can't pay or trade for.

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#19 May 12, 2013
They cannot kill a spook wrote:
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So again if it is a human right then if you can't pay you then must deny someone elses human rights by either stealing someones property/money or forcing them into slavery to give you free services.
Again you have no right to anything you can't pay or trade for.
So logically that means you are against any kind of insurance.

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#20 May 12, 2013
They cannot kill a spook wrote:
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500k ? Not even a bus load of liberals are worth that. And you think that everyone should be given services of that cost?
You're texting and driving, which I have read you claim you can do, only you don't do it, your truck runs off the road, you slide sideways into a tree, and your head whacks said tree. Unfortunately, it didn't kill you, but gave you a traumatic brain injury. You spend a month in a coma, three more recovering, and you can no longer work. Because Obamacare hasn't fully kicked in, your insurance company finds some pre-existing condition and drops you. You get home and the bills come in and they are $500k. And climbing.

How do you pay for that?

I guess according to you, you should just off yourself.

I'm not that cold-blooded.

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