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#81 Jan 10, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>It's not like we could expect the government to say, "Hey there are kids in there. Let's find a way to get Koresh without getting any of them hurt." Right?
No, that would have made too much sense and required a certain measure of morality.
There were folks on the outside all but begging (or actually begging) Koresh to send the children out--and he would not.

And the evidence showed that accelerant (like gasoline) was spread INSIDE the compound.

Now, your thinking is that folks like Koresh should just be identified as crazy before they have a chance to build a store of arms and a cadre of followers, and he should be locked up in a state hospital, right?

Explain exactly what that looks like.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#82 Jan 10, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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There were folks on the outside all but begging (or actually begging) Koresh to send the children out--and he would not.
And the evidence showed that accelerant (like gasoline) was spread INSIDE the compound.
Now, your thinking is that folks like Koresh should just be identified as crazy before they have a chance to build a store of arms and a cadre of followers, and he should be locked up in a state hospital, right?
Explain exactly what that looks like.
No. He thinks people as crazy as Koresh should be allowed to do as they please regardless of the law.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#83 Jan 10, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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There were folks on the outside all but begging (or actually begging) Koresh to send the children out--and he would not.
And the evidence showed that accelerant (like gasoline) was spread INSIDE the compound.
Now, your thinking is that folks like Koresh should just be identified as crazy before they have a chance to build a store of arms and a cadre of followers, and he should be locked up in a state hospital, right?
Explain exactly what that looks like.
If you believe what the government said, I have a bridge for sale. That's called CYA. The government fired CS gas canisters in and that started the fire, most likely.

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#84 Jan 10, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Try taking $30,000 in cash to buy a car and have the misfortune of getting pulled over in some rural county. Kiss your money goodbye.
If in fact a Constitutional violation, one could still take it to court. Because in fact, the Amendments remain in place.

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#85 Jan 10, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>If you believe what the government said, I have a bridge for sale. That's called CYA. The government fired CS gas canisters in and that started the fire, most likely.
You on the other hand want us to believe that Koresh acted rationally?

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

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Hilliard, OH

#86 Jan 10, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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You on the other hand want us to believe that Koresh acted rationally?
That matters about the government killing the kids...how?

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

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#87 Jan 10, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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If in fact a Constitutional violation, one could still take it to court. Because in fact, the Amendments remain in place.
Civil forfeiture is different from criminal forfeiture. In criminal forfeiture, the taking of property is usually carried out after the owner is convicted of a crime. In civil forfeiture, the government seizes the property in this case, the currency without ever charging the person with a crime. The government must show by a preponderance of the evidence that the money is dirty; then it's up to the owner to prove that his cash is clean.

San Antonio attorney Michael McCrum, a former federal prosecutor and police officer, says he believes the system is tilted against the property owner. "The laws are made now such that anybody that has cash seized from 'em, the burden of proof shifts over to the person whose money is seized to prove that it's legitimate money. And frankly, a lot of people don't want to declare they have a lot of cash, for other reasons not related to drug trafficking," McCrum says.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php...

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#88 Jan 10, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>That matters about the government killing the kids...how?
Again--there were multiple attempts over many days to get the kids out--all refused by Koresh. And the evidence showed that the fire resulted from accelerant spread on the inside.

You reject the possibility that Koresh could have killed the kids.

Why?

Because your bias is to mistrust the government--and particularly a Democratic administration.
Big Johnson

Columbus, OH

#89 Jan 10, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>That matters about the government killing the kids...how?
Aww, look at Saint George, the soul of compassionate conservatism. He cares about the kiddies!
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#90 Jan 11, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>That matters about the government killing the kids...how?
Legal warrant served.

Man with mental health diagnoses and lots of weapons and ammo refuses to comply, fires at and murders police from inside house where 21 children are present.

Man refuses to release children for 51 days, despite being asked to do so numerous times.

Man eventually spreads accelerants in home where children are present.

Fire starts, being lit either by man, or government action.

Children burn to death.

I wonder if he could have done anything differently on any one of those 51 days that would have saved their lives?

Sounds to me like he did everything he could.

woof
hey hey now

Columbus, OH

#91 Jan 11, 2013
I really like how the jack booted thugs used old M-60 tanks to serve notice of their intentions. I also like how with the vast resources of mid-90s US of A that so few intellects were in the employ of the gubbamint and able to deal with a crazy man with a apocalyptic delusions. But the thing I like best is that once the compound cooled off, nothing was left but the Feds' side of the story.

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