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#164 Feb 2, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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And adult-child acts are classified as pedophilia.
In this case, homosexual pedophilia.

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#165 Feb 2, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/...
Tranpositions.favorite.news.so urce
I guess you didn't bother to read it all the way through:

So why is the practice of child marriage sanctioned in Muslim countries? Unfortunately, ultra-conservative religious authorities justify this old tribal custom by citing the prophet Muhammad's marriage to Aisha. They allege Aisha was nine years old when the prophet married her. But they focus conveniently on selected Islamic texts to support their opinions, while ignoring vast number of other texts and historical information, which suggests Aisha was much older, putting her age of marriage at 19. Child marriage is against Islam as the Qur'an is clear that intellectual maturity is the basis for deciding age of marriage, and not puberty, as suggested by these clerics.

Whatever one's view on the prophet's marriage, no faith can claim moral superiority since child marriages have been practised in various cultures and societies across the world at one time or another. In modern times, though, marrying children is no longer acceptable and no excuse should be used to justify this.

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#166 Feb 2, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Show me the history in the public schools stretching eight or nine decades with thousands of victims abused by hundreds of perpetrators who were purposefully shipped from location to location and provided opportunity after opportunity to continue abusing children, all with the full knowledge of those in positions of the highest authority in the organization who were more concerned about avoiding liability and protecting the reputation of the institution than they were wit protecting the kids.
You cannot.
But I can show you the documents to prove to you that that is exactly what occurred within the Catholic Church, with the full knowledge and approval of the Popes.
If you'd rather cry about the press treating the church poorly
than for the people who had their childhoods stolen by adults who knew what they were doing, you go right ahead.
woof
Studies indicate that if U.S. journalists would actually engage in a vigorous search-and-destroy mission targeting sex abuse within the public school system -- as they did against the Catholic Church -- Americans would be shell-shocked.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/education...

Registered sex offenders are getting jobs in schools as teachers, administrators, volunteers and contractors, despite state laws that prohibit them from contact with children, a government watchdog report says.

And school officials in some states enable misconduct to continue by ignoring red flags during hiring or by covering up the firing of sexual offenders, according to the report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress.

The report, obtained by USA TODAY, is based on a review of 15 cases in 11 states over the last decade involving people with histories of sexual misconduct working in public or private schools. Of those, 11 offenders had previously targeted children, and six abused more children in their new positions.

About 35 states have laws restricting offenders from schools, and most states require criminal history checks, though specifics vary widely, the report found. Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., who requested the investigation, urged states to strengthen laws or pass a law if they don't have them.

"These children were put in this unsafe position because adults in charge of their well-being failed to do their job," says Miller, outgoing chair of the House education committee. "Parents have a right to believe that their children are safe" in schools.

An Education Department study estimates that millions of kids in kindergarten through 12th grade are victims of sexual misconduct by a school employee at some point. The GAO report also notes most sexual abuse of children goes unreported. In one study it cites, 232 child molesters admitted to molesting a total of 17,000 victims, often without ever being caught....

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#167 Feb 2, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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That would make me willing to look at the entire range of adult-child sexual abuse in an unbiased manner.
And conclude that no adults should ever be in contact with any children?

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#168 Feb 2, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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I guess you didn't bother to read it all the way through:
So why is the practice of child marriage sanctioned in Muslim countries? Unfortunately, ultra-conservative religious authorities justify this old tribal custom by citing the prophet Muhammad's marriage to Aisha. They allege Aisha was nine years old when the prophet married her. But they focus conveniently on selected Islamic texts to support their opinions, while ignoring vast number of other texts and historical information, which suggests Aisha was much older, putting her age of marriage at 19. Child marriage is against Islam as the Qur'an is clear that intellectual maturity is the basis for deciding age of marriage, and not puberty, as suggested by these clerics.
Whatever one's view on the prophet's marriage, no faith can claim moral superiority since child marriages have been practised in various cultures and societies across the world at one time or another. In modern times, though, marrying children is no longer acceptable and no excuse should be used to justify this.
I trust the Salafis on Islam far more than Western taqiyya clerics.

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#169 Feb 2, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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I guess you didn't bother to read it all the way through:
So why is the practice of child marriage sanctioned in Muslim countries? Unfortunately, ultra-conservative religious authorities justify this old tribal custom by citing the prophet Muhammad's marriage to Aisha. They allege Aisha was nine years old when the prophet married her. But they focus conveniently on selected Islamic texts to support their opinions, while ignoring vast number of other texts and historical information, which suggests Aisha was much older, putting her age of marriage at 19. Child marriage is against Islam as the Qur'an is clear that intellectual maturity is the basis for deciding age of marriage, and not puberty, as suggested by these clerics.
Whatever one's view on the prophet's marriage, no faith can claim moral superiority since child marriages have been practised in various cultures and societies across the world at one time or another. In modern times, though, marrying children is no longer acceptable and no excuse should be used to justify this.
The above links directly contradict your Islamophile bullshit.

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#170 Feb 2, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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And conclude that no adults should ever be in contact with any children?
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
Your every post becomes more absurd.

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#171 Feb 2, 2013
http://www.discoveringislam.org/aisha_age.htm

This apologist page, lists Aisha as perhaps 12-15, not 19 as the taqiyya Guardian writer implied.

http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Aisha_Age_of_Co...

This, more accurate page, lists the age and provides the evidence.

Reader's Islamophilia strikes again!

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#172 Feb 2, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Studies indicate that if U.S. journalists would actually engage in a vigorous search-and-destroy mission targeting sex abuse within the public school system -- as they did against the Catholic Church -- Americans would be shell-shocked.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/education...
Registered sex offenders are getting jobs in schools as teachers, administrators, volunteers and contractors, despite state laws that prohibit them from contact with children, a government watchdog report says.
And school officials in some states enable misconduct to continue by ignoring red flags during hiring or by covering up the firing of sexual offenders, according to the report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress.
The report, obtained by USA TODAY, is based on a review of 15 cases in 11 states over the last decade involving people with histories of sexual misconduct working in public or private schools. Of those, 11 offenders had previously targeted children, and six abused more children in their new positions.
About 35 states have laws restricting offenders from schools, and most states require criminal history checks, though specifics vary widely, the report found. Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., who requested the investigation, urged states to strengthen laws or pass a law if they don't have them.
"These children were put in this unsafe position because adults in charge of their well-being failed to do their job," says Miller, outgoing chair of the House education committee. "Parents have a right to believe that their children are safe" in schools.
An Education Department study estimates that millions of kids in kindergarten through 12th grade are victims of sexual misconduct by a school employee at some point. The GAO report also notes most sexual abuse of children goes unreported. In one study it cites, 232 child molesters admitted to molesting a total of 17,000 victims, often without ever being caught....
Yes--that article dates from about the same time as the Dispatch series. There were similar investigations in other states. The Dispatch, if you will recall, also cited a Christian School where a teacher was hired knowing that he had a history of sexual impropriety in another state. The believed themselves to be acting on a willingness to forgive past transgressions.

You will note that one difficulty has to do with the large number of incidents that are never reported. This does not imply that there were adults in positions of responsibility who failed to act. In many cases, adults never know or never believe that anything is happening. Part of the cruel reality of child sexual abuse is the manipulation of children into believing that they are at fault, that no one will ever believe them, or that they are "special" in some way that others cannot understand.

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#173 Feb 2, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
http://www.discoveringislam.or g/aisha_age.htm
This apologist page, lists Aisha as perhaps 12-15, not 19 as the taqiyya Guardian writer implied.
http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Aisha_Age_of_Co...
This, more accurate page, lists the age and provides the evidence.
Reader's Islamophilia strikes again!
Ummm, I believe that you posted the article.

I just read it.

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#174 Feb 2, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Yes--that article dates from about the same time as the Dispatch series. There were similar investigations in other states. The Dispatch, if you will recall, also cited a Christian School where a teacher was hired knowing that he had a history of sexual impropriety in another state. The believed themselves to be acting on a willingness to forgive past transgressions.
You will note that one difficulty has to do with the large number of incidents that are never reported. This does not imply that there were adults in positions of responsibility who failed to act. In many cases, adults never know or never believe that anything is happening. Part of the cruel reality of child sexual abuse is the manipulation of children into believing that they are at fault, that no one will ever believe them, or that they are "special" in some way that others cannot understand.
The remainder of the article:

• A teacher/coach who was forced to resign from an Ohio school because of inappropriate contact with girls was hired by a neighboring district, where he was eventually convicted for sexual battery against a sixth-grade girl. The superintendent at his first school had called him an "outstanding teacher" in a recommendation letter.

• Several Louisiana schools hired a registered sex offender, whose Texas teaching certificate had been revoked, without doing a criminal history check. A warrant is out for his arrest on charges of engaging in sexual conversations with a student at one school.

• An Arizona public school skipped the required criminal history check even though the applicant disclosed he had committed a dangerous crime against a child. He was later convicted for having sexual contact with a girl.

• In three cases, schools failed to ask about troubling application responses. For example, a California charter school hired an administrator who had left blank a question about previous felony convictions; he had been convicted of a felony sex offense against a minor.

When questioned by investigators about why such lapses occur, officials typically said the time and costs associated with background checks made it hard to monitor applicants. Fear of lawsuits also was a factor.

Charol Shakeshaft, a Virginia Commonwealth University professor who researches the topic, said school personnel aren't trained in how to recognize and deal with such misconduct. "Parents, teachers, students and administrators don't really know how to handle it. Districts don't think it's a high probability. So people just don't learn what they're supposed to do and what the and what the procedures are. There is hardly any education done on this."

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Does that sound like the schools "never know or never believe that anything is happening"? I suppose it does to you...since you're so obviously willing to excuse absolutely anything as relates to this issue in the public schools.

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#175 Feb 2, 2013
No, no...there exists no history of long-term cover-up of teacher-student sex abuse in the public schools.

Look away...and look toward the Catholic Church instead.

/s

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/item_IGmFG437dEY...

At least one child is sexually abused by a school employee every day in New York City schools, a Post investigation has found.

Equally as disturbing is that one-third of the employees accused of sex abuse are repeat offenders, who've already been cited for inappropriate behavior by school officials.

"It has reached critical mass," said Schools Special Investigator Edward Stancik. "I think it's very hard for anybody to deny that we have a real problem."

The Post has analyzed 117 cases of sexual abuse substantiated by Stancik's office over a 2 ½ year period - from January 1999 to June 2001 - to determine how offenders are picking off city kids.

Among the observations, The Post investigation has found that more than 60 percent of employees accused of sexual abuse - mostly tenured teachers - were transferred to desk jobs at district offices located inside schools. Forty percent of those transferred suspects were repeat offenders.

Problem teachers, who sometimes get away with a sexual offense, are surreptitiously transferred to other schools - a practice known as "passing the garbage."

BOE President Ninfa Segarra was devastated by the outcome of The Post report.

She said - to her knowledge - no agency has ever bothered to analyze sex abuse inside city schools....
Anonymous

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#176 Feb 2, 2013
A lot of you guys have interesting takes on Boy Scouts, but let me ask you if you are a Scout?
No? Then you should not be talking. I am a scout and I will admit that some skills being taught are not very useful, but knots are in many things Che Reagan Christ. If you cannot think of any then I will have to sadly tell you that you have a low IQ as well as a limited imagination.
Just as VADoc said, many things in Scouts prevent any and I mean ANY sexual expression. A Girl Scout Camp was down the road by a summer camp I went to and all the boys were not even allowed to go near it.
To me it seems the opposing party to what Hugh Victor Thompson the Third is saying is not about equal human rights, instead it is your negative takes on the Boy Scouts. Tell me that I am not right, because I believe someone your posts, Mr. Reagan are just made up.
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#177 Feb 2, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Studies indicate that if U.S. journalists would actually engage in a vigorous search-and-destroy mission targeting sex abuse within the public school system -- as they did against the Catholic Church -- Americans would be shell-shocked.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/education...
Registered sex offenders are getting jobs in schools as teachers, administrators, volunteers and contractors, despite state laws that prohibit them from contact with children, a government watchdog report says.
And school officials in some states enable misconduct to continue by ignoring red flags during hiring or by covering up the firing of sexual offenders, according to the report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress.
The report, obtained by USA TODAY, is based on a review of 15 cases in 11 states over the last decade involving people with histories of sexual misconduct working in public or private schools. Of those, 11 offenders had previously targeted children, and six abused more children in their new positions.
About 35 states have laws restricting offenders from schools, and most states require criminal history checks, though specifics vary widely, the report found. Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., who requested the investigation, urged states to strengthen laws or pass a law if they don't have them.
"These children were put in this unsafe position because adults in charge of their well-being failed to do their job," says Miller, outgoing chair of the House education committee. "Parents have a right to believe that their children are safe" in schools.
An Education Department study estimates that millions of kids in kindergarten through 12th grade are victims of sexual misconduct by a school employee at some point. The GAO report also notes most sexual abuse of children goes unreported. In one study it cites, 232 child molesters admitted to molesting a total of 17,000 victims, often without ever being caught....
Lets take a closer look Tippy:

The article you cite notes 15 cases of abuse in 10 years. I suggest you compare that to the number of cases documented in the Catholic Church over eight decades. You won't be happy with the results, but facts are facts.

Without citation the article references a study purportedly claiming that "millions of kids in K through 12th grades are victims of sexual misconduct by a school employee at some point", with no definition specifying what "sexual misconduct" is or is not, and no time frame given. The missing information begs the question, what does this really mean, if anything? Without more, it is impossible to know.

Finally, another study is referenced without citation, claiming that "232 child molesters admitted to molesting a total of 17,000 victims, often without ever being caught". Importantly, no information is provided to suggest whether these statistics relate to sexual abuse of students in schools, or not. As with the factually sound statement that "most sexual abuse of children goes unreported", the previous statistical summary appears to serve merely as support for the proposition that recidivism among child molesters is a prevalent problem, and the numbers cited have nothing to do with abuse in schools.

If you're looking for statistical evidence to support your apparent contention that the same sort of large scale cover-up of child sexual abuse engaged in by the Popes is going on in America's public schools, you will not find it.

It does not exist.

woof

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#178 Feb 2, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Lets take a closer look Tippy:
The article you cite notes 15 cases of abuse in 10 years. I suggest you compare that to the number of cases documented in the Catholic Church over eight decades. You won't be happy with the results, but facts are facts.
Without citation the article references a study purportedly claiming that "millions of kids in K through 12th grades are victims of sexual misconduct by a school employee at some point", with no definition specifying what "sexual misconduct" is or is not, and no time frame given. The missing information begs the question, what does this really mean, if anything? Without more, it is impossible to know.
Finally, another study is referenced without citation, claiming that "232 child molesters admitted to molesting a total of 17,000 victims, often without ever being caught". Importantly, no information is provided to suggest whether these statistics relate to sexual abuse of students in schools, or not. As with the factually sound statement that "most sexual abuse of children goes unreported", the previous statistical summary appears to serve merely as support for the proposition that recidivism among child molesters is a prevalent problem, and the numbers cited have nothing to do with abuse in schools.
If you're looking for statistical evidence to support your apparent contention that the same sort of large scale cover-up of child sexual abuse engaged in by the Popes is going on in America's public schools, you will not find it.
It does not exist.
woof
Re-read this line from the NY Post article for your answer:

"She said - to her knowledge - no agency has ever bothered to analyze sex abuse inside city schools."

Now, extrapolate...nationally.

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#179 Feb 2, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
The remainder of the article:
• A teacher/coach who was forced to resign from an Ohio school because of inappropriate contact with girls was hired by a neighboring district, where he was eventually convicted for sexual battery against a sixth-grade girl. The superintendent at his first school had called him an "outstanding teacher" in a recommendation letter.
• Several Louisiana schools hired a registered sex offender, whose Texas teaching certificate had been revoked, without doing a criminal history check. A warrant is out for his arrest on charges of engaging in sexual conversations with a student at one school.
• An Arizona public school skipped the required criminal history check even though the applicant disclosed he had committed a dangerous crime against a child. He was later convicted for having sexual contact with a girl.
• In three cases, schools failed to ask about troubling application responses. For example, a California charter school hired an administrator who had left blank a question about previous felony convictions; he had been convicted of a felony sex offense against a minor.
When questioned by investigators about why such lapses occur, officials typically said the time and costs associated with background checks made it hard to monitor applicants. Fear of lawsuits also was a factor.
Charol Shakeshaft, a Virginia Commonwealth University professor who researches the topic, said school personnel aren't trained in how to recognize and deal with such misconduct. "Parents, teachers, students and administrators don't really know how to handle it. Districts don't think it's a high probability. So people just don't learn what they're supposed to do and what the and what the procedures are. There is hardly any education done on this."
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Does that sound like the schools "never know or never believe that anything is happening"? I suppose it does to you...since you're so obviously willing to excuse absolutely anything as relates to this issue in the public schools.
tip--how about we just cut to the chase and you give us your recommendations.

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#180 Feb 2, 2013
-tip- wrote:
No, no...there exists no history of long-term cover-up of teacher-student sex abuse in the public schools.
Look away...and look toward the Catholic Church instead.
/s
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/item_IGmFG437dEY...
At least one child is sexually abused by a school employee every day in New York City schools, a Post investigation has found.
Equally as disturbing is that one-third of the employees accused of sex abuse are repeat offenders, who've already been cited for inappropriate behavior by school officials.
"It has reached critical mass," said Schools Special Investigator Edward Stancik. "I think it's very hard for anybody to deny that we have a real problem."
The Post has analyzed 117 cases of sexual abuse substantiated by Stancik's office over a 2 ½ year period - from January 1999 to June 2001 - to determine how offenders are picking off city kids.
Among the observations, The Post investigation has found that more than 60 percent of employees accused of sexual abuse - mostly tenured teachers - were transferred to desk jobs at district offices located inside schools. Forty percent of those transferred suspects were repeat offenders.
Problem teachers, who sometimes get away with a sexual offense, are surreptitiously transferred to other schools - a practice known as "passing the garbage."
BOE President Ninfa Segarra was devastated by the outcome of The Post report.
She said - to her knowledge - no agency has ever bothered to analyze sex abuse inside city schools....
Can't help but notice that your article is well over a decade old. Is it your supposition that there has been no progress since that time? And on what do you base such a supposition?

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#181 Feb 2, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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tip--how about we just cut to the chase and you give us your recommendations.
My recommendation is that you self-righteous pricks stop asserting that adult-child sexual abuse and intentional cover-up of the same are exclusive to the Catholic Church and/or exceed the negligence of the public schools or any other youth-oriented organization.

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#182 Feb 2, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Can't help but notice that your article is well over a decade old. Is it your supposition that there has been no progress since that time? And on what do you base such a supposition?
Thank you for noticing...as you liars pretend that no comparable long-term pattern of abuse and cover-up exists in the public schools or any other organization.

And speaking of progress, you utterly fail to note that which has occurred within the Catholic Church.

I suppose one could say the public schools have made progress on the issue...though "hey now" is never short on teacher-student sex abuse headlines.

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#183 Feb 2, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
My recommendation is that you self-righteous pricks stop asserting that adult-child sexual abuse and intentional cover-up of the same are exclusive to the Catholic Church and/or exceed the negligence of the public schools or any other youth-oriented organization.
You haven't been paying attention if you think that I have ever asserted that any of the above are exclusive to the Catholic Church.

But, as regards both the Catholic Church AND the BSA, which was the topic here, it is disingenuous to condemn homosexuality and condone the sexual abuse of children. And in the case of BSA, barring homosexuals from membership has absolutely nothing to do with protecting children from sexual abuse.

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