Scouting’s suicide
Wait what

Columbus, OH

#1054 Feb 10, 2013
adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>I can't remember if it was Indian Guides or cub scouts, but there was something like a $2.00 a month due for participating. This was explained to my mother that the materials and all for what we did (a lot of crafts) where free but we needed to cover the shipping to get them there. Something about how the donations thing worked. I was only in them (either one) for a year because the Carter Depression pretty much turn my home into a two working parent family and no one had time to do extra stuff.
Reader said there were excessive costs, including weekly dues. I don't equate a $2.00 month charge as excessive. You can save up enough change for that each month.
adif understanding

Little Hocking, OH

#1055 Feb 10, 2013
Wait what wrote:
<quoted text>
Reader said there were excessive costs, including weekly dues. I don't equate a $2.00 month charge as excessive. You can save up enough change for that each month.
lol.. That was in 1978 or so. Things could have changed quite a bit since then. I only provided it to say I remember a fee.
Duke for Mayor

United States

#1056 Feb 10, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>From your post #1029 regarding incest:
"Well now you've brought an additional subject into the discussion that wasn't there before Paco.
An interesting matter, because I believe, its generally not illegal."
Hardly a condemnation from you, sicko.
Ohio criminal law, with which I am most familiar, beyond parents, step-parents, guardians, or persons in loco parentis, really doesn't address it. I guess the Republicans in the state house are sickos too eh?

http://www.arte-sana.com/articles/incest_laws...

woof

Duke for Mayor

United States

#1057 Feb 10, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Can we assume you'll be on board when they legalize ephebophila and pedophilia?
As to Pedophilia...no, you can assume I wouldn't be "on board".

As to Ephebophilia...in Ohio, if the child is sixteen years or seventeen years old and the sex is consensual, there's currently no crime, unless the actor is 4 years older and the child is also a victim of human trafficking (importuning 2907.07(B)(1)).

So I guess in Ohio...the question is...why aren't you already breaking down the doors of the statehouse to protect all of the state's innocent sixteen and seventeen year olds from those raging ephebophiliacs?

woof
Adif understanding

United States

#1058 Feb 10, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
As to Pedophilia...no, you can assume I wouldn't be "on board".
As to Ephebophilia...in Ohio, if the child is sixteen years or seventeen years old and the sex is consensual, there's currently no crime, unless the actor is 4 years older and the child is also a victim of human trafficking (importuning 2907.07(B)(1)).
So I guess in Ohio...the question is...why aren't you already breaking down the doors of the statehouse to protect all of the state's innocent sixteen and seventeen year olds from those raging ephebophiliacs?
woof
Unless the child is having sex with a legally defined peace officer. Then it is two years age difference. That's under the same law that makes incest illegal.

But don't you think that a law banning sex or even certain kinds of sex between two people of legal age is unconstitutional? Do you think it might violate the due process clause?
Duke for Mayor

United States

#1059 Feb 10, 2013
Adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>Unless the child is having sex with a legally defined peace officer. Then it is two years age difference. That's under the same law that makes incest illegal.
But don't you think that a law banning sex or even certain kinds of sex between two people of legal age is unconstitutional? Do you think it might violate the due process clause?
Regarding your first point, you're wrong. Go read the statutes..Chapter 2907.

Regarding your second point, that depends upon the statute.

Criminalizing sodomy...unconstitutional.
Criminalizing incest...constitutional.

woof
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#1060 Feb 10, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
As to Pedophilia...no, you can assume I wouldn't be "on board".
As to Ephebophilia...in Ohio, if the child is sixteen years or seventeen years old and the sex is consensual, there's currently no crime, unless the actor is 4 years older and the child is also a victim of human trafficking (importuning 2907.07(B)(1)).
So I guess in Ohio...the question is...why aren't you already breaking down the doors of the statehouse to protect all of the state's innocent sixteen and seventeen year olds from those raging ephebophiliacs?
woof
If we want to apply George's own methods to your question, it is because obviously George approves of incest.

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#1061 Feb 10, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
If we want to apply George's own methods to your question, it is because obviously George approves of incest.
Only in your diseased mind does that exist. Perhaps you should go back to Dukie's pathetic spin job that began last night.
Here's the deal: Both incest and homosexuality are aberrant, vile behaviors.
Duke for Mayor

United States

#1062 Feb 10, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Only in your diseased mind does that exist. Perhaps you should go back to Dukie's pathetic spin job that began last night.
Here's the deal: Both incest and homosexuality are aberrant, vile behaviors.
Here's the deal Paco:

There's a difference between religion and law.

woof

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#1063 Feb 10, 2013
adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>It's interesting, all the excuses you have made for a failing marriage does come down to morality or a failing of it.
As for you being surprised about me calling someone a tramp, I don't really care. Tramps serve a purpose in this world too. You could consider me the jerk, I don't have any kids I know of though. This is most likely because I give fake names out to one night stands but hey, whatever makes the world go around right?
Yes, you can say I am part of the problem. It doesn't negate the fact that the problem exists. I certainly have never claimed to be perfect and I know the world isn't.
I would suggest to you that many in our society set a different moral standard than have you. And perhaps the place to start is with yourself.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#1064 Feb 10, 2013
Wait what wrote:
<quoted text>
I said there must be a hole in your story or...did I hit a nerve again, Reader? 5 SSA survivorship checks from the government should not cause you to work day and night. If you don't want people commenting, don't tell the story.
You seem to be fixating to proving at all costs that any parent who cares properly for their children is both willing and capable of turning a block of wood into a derby car in one week's time.

[or else you are so personally obsessed with proving ME wrong that you are willing to make yourself look completely ridiculous in pursuing this argument]

Whatever turns you on, I guess.

Just know that there are other opinions.
Duke for Mayor

United States

#1065 Feb 10, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
I would suggest to you that many in our society set a different moral standard than have you. And perhaps the place to start is with yourself.
Says the man of self proclaimed, yet highly suspect "morality".

woof

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#1066 Feb 10, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
As to Pedophilia...no, you can assume I wouldn't be "on board".
As to Ephebophilia...in Ohio, if the child is sixteen years or seventeen years old and the sex is consensual, there's currently no crime, unless the actor is 4 years older and the child is also a victim of human trafficking (importuning 2907.07(B)(1)).
So I guess in Ohio...the question is...why aren't you already breaking down the doors of the statehouse to protect all of the state's innocent sixteen and seventeen year olds from those raging ephebophiliacs?
woof
As you know, this statute prevents the prosecution of teens engaging in consensual sex, which is certainly not the equivalent of adult sex offenders preying upon teens and children.

And because adults who hold positions of trust over teens and children are held to a higher standard, these statutes exist in 2907.03, where "minor" = anyone under 18y:

(8) The other person is a minor, the offender is a teacher, administrator, coach, or other person in authority employed by or serving in an institution of higher education, and the other person is enrolled in or attends that institution.

(9) The other person is a minor, and the offender is the other person’s athletic or other type of coach, is the other person’s instructor, is the leader of a scouting troop of which the other person is a member, or is a person with temporary or occasional disciplinary control over the other person.

(12) The other person is a minor, the offender is a cleric, and the other person is a member of, or attends, the church or congregation served by the cleric.

(13) The other person is a minor, the offender is a peace officer, and the offender is more than two years older than the other person.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#1067 Feb 10, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's the deal Paco:
There's a difference between religion and law.
woof
All laws comprise a moral code.
The only question is which morality ought to be legislated.
Duke for Mayor

United States

#1068 Feb 10, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
As you know, this statute prevents the prosecution of teens engaging in consensual sex, which is certainly not the equivalent of adult sex offenders preying upon teens and children.
And because adults who hold positions of trust over teens and children are held to a higher standard, these statutes exist in 2907.03, where "minor" = anyone under 18y:
(8) The other person is a minor, the offender is a teacher, administrator, coach, or other person in authority employed by or serving in an institution of higher education, and the other person is enrolled in or attends that institution.
(9) The other person is a minor, and the offender is the other person’s athletic or other type of coach, is the other person’s instructor, is the leader of a scouting troop of which the other person is a member, or is a person with temporary or occasional disciplinary control over the other person.
(12) The other person is a minor, the offender is a cleric, and the other person is a member of, or attends, the church or congregation served by the cleric.
(13) The other person is a minor, the offender is a peace officer, and the offender is more than two years older than the other person.
And???

woof

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#1069 Feb 10, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
And???
woof
If ephebopedic/pedophilic behaviors were to be "normalized" [i.e., declassified as mental disorders, and labeled as distinct sexual orientations] by the APA, et al -- as has been recently discussed, in the same way that homosexual behaviors were "normalized" -- then current laws applying to offenders 4+y older than victims would be challenged, and would go the way of sodomy laws.

Welcome to your relativist society.

Morality matters.

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#1070 Feb 10, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
If ephebopedic/pedophilic behaviors were to be "normalized" [i.e., declassified as mental disorders, and labeled as distinct sexual orientations] by the APA, et al -- as has been recently discussed, in the same way that homosexual behaviors were "normalized" -- then current laws applying to offenders 4+y older than victims would be challenged, and would go the way of sodomy laws.
Welcome to your relativist society.
Morality matters.
They don't care. If morality mattered, instead of 1.1 million people walking around with HIV in the US, the number would probably be around 10,000. If that.
But hey...it's more important to guarantee the right of men to use other men's colons as playthings.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#1071 Feb 10, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
If ephebopedic/pedophilic behaviors were to be "normalized" [i.e., declassified as mental disorders, and labeled as distinct sexual orientations] by the APA, et al -- as has been recently discussed, in the same way that homosexual behaviors were "normalized" -- then current laws applying to offenders 4+y older than victims would be challenged, and would go the way of sodomy laws.
Welcome to your relativist society.
Morality matters.
They create their own morality, Tip.

Like Reader loudly proclaiming herself a Christian, but holding to her pro-abortion stance and even finding a 'person' masquerading as clergy that also approves and preaches there are no absolutes in Christianity.

Jerry Sandusky and many other's carried on their abuse for decades before discovery. So did Ted Bundy.
Deviates know how to control and cover.

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#1072 Feb 10, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
<quoted text>
Jerry Sandusky and many other's carried on their abuse for decades before discovery. So did Ted Bundy.
Deviates know how to control and cover.
Wait, so because these named straight identified men committed crimes in a context where gays have limited rights, we must do the moral thing and continue to deny gay and lesbian citizens rights in response to their actions?

I would love to hear more on this rather unusual line of reasoning!

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#1074 Feb 10, 2013
tranpsosition wrote:
<quoted text>
Wait, so because these named straight identified men committed crimes in a context where gays have limited rights, we must do the moral thing and continue to deny gay and lesbian citizens rights in response to their actions?
I would love to hear more on this rather unusual line of reasoning!
Homosexuals can become football coaches and law school students.

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