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Adif understanding

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#610 Feb 6, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Just quoting the Bible. It's good to know that God changed his mind. I wonder why He was wrong the first time. That is strange for someone who is omniscient.
Its not strange at all. The bible is full off arbitrary requirements of people designed to force the showing of devotion to God. God gave man free will and then got angry when man didn't follow his will.

You should try actually reading the bible, then find a study group to make sure you understand what it says.

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#611 Feb 6, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Just quoting the Bible. It's good to know that God changed his mind. I wonder why He was wrong the first time. That is strange for someone who is omniscient.
The prohibition against certain foods is lifted in the NT.
The prohibition against homosexual behavior is specifically restated and reinforced in the NT.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#612 Feb 6, 2013
Adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>Its not strange at all. The bible is full off arbitrary requirements of people designed to force the showing of devotion to God. God gave man free will and then got angry when man didn't follow his will.
You should try actually reading the bible, then find a study group to make sure you understand what it says.
Or, one could just accept the Bible for what it really is instead of what some people claim it is, live one's life respecting and loving others, and forget about it.

woof
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#613 Feb 6, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Just quoting the Bible. It's good to know that God changed his mind. I wonder why He was wrong the first time. That is strange for someone who is omniscient.
He makes no mistakes and He is all knowing.
If you truly have an interest, buy a Living Bible, it will be easier for you to translate, BUT go to classes or find a Bible Study group to engage with, and be sure have an open mind. God will not be mocked. And He can 'harden your heart' to the point you will never be able to love Him.
If you are going to believe that God loves us, you better darn well believe He is driven to anger by us also.
Adif understanding

United States

#614 Feb 6, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Or, one could just accept the Bible for what it really is instead of what some people claim it is, live one's life respecting and loving others, and forget about it.
woof
One could commit suicide, rob a bank and do a number of other things. What is your point? I didn't say you had to follow the bible or that every interpretation was infallible, I said a person citing parts of the bible actually should actually read and understand it before pointing to parts and making statements clearly showing they have no clue.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#615 Feb 6, 2013
How about this? If you all are suggesting that we need scholars and classes and study groups to understand the plain language of the Bible, I will be happy to concede that point when you concede that attorneys, scholars and judges are necessary to understand the Constitution.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

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#616 Feb 6, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Why? That's what Leviticus says.
The dietary laws are not considered to apply to Christians, shellfish are not described as an "abomination".
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#617 Feb 6, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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The Supreme Court is one decision away from making sexual orientation another "suspect class". Several states already define it as such.
If the charter gets to make the decision, then the charter could start facing lawsuits that were previously tossed as they were against the national organization.
(you are a lawyer, so is the above right, or did I see BS and repeat it?)
I saw a cartoon from the Toledo Blade where they were mocking that the organization didn't commit seppuku and force all units to admit gays. The left won't be satisfied.
The Charter has already been sued under state law, and the issue has already been decided in the US Supreme Court.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/99-699....
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/99-699....

Several states do indeed have statutes or appellate court holdings protecting sexual orientation as a suspect, or quasi suspect class, including California, Connecticut, Massachussets, and New Jersey.

I'm guessing the National BSA is responding to complaints from those who would like to see the matter be decided at the local level.

woof

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#618 Feb 6, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Just quoting the Bible. It's good to know that God changed his mind. I wonder why He was wrong the first time. That is strange for someone who is omniscient.
The dietary laws are for the creation of a "chosen people" by which later Jesus would be born into.

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#619 Feb 6, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
How about this? If you all are suggesting that we need scholars and classes and study groups to understand the plain language of the Bible, I will be happy to concede that point when you concede that attorneys, scholars and judges are necessary to understand the Constitution.
At the time the Constitution was written, there were no qualifications required to be one of those positions. Further, the Bible cannot be amended or changed by judicial review.
Adif understanding

United States

#620 Feb 6, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
How about this? If you all are suggesting that we need scholars and classes and study groups to understand the plain language of the Bible, I will be happy to concede that point when you concede that attorneys, scholars and judges are necessary to understand the Constitution.
I would suggest you are a complete moron then. Its not difficult to understand if you look at the entirety of it. What you did if we were to compare it to the constitution was essentially declare senators are picked by state legislatures in an effort to discredit a statement or idea that all right are inherent in the people.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#621 Feb 6, 2013
Adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>One could commit suicide, rob a bank and do a number of other things. What is your point? I didn't say you had to follow the bible or that every interpretation was infallible, I said a person citing parts of the bible actually should actually read and understand it before pointing to parts and making statements clearly showing they have no clue.
My point is that it takes more than just a few unreasonable leaps of faith for one to arrive at a conclusion that what is written in the Bible came directly from God.

I don't know why you're talking about robbing banks and suicide.

woof
Adif understanding

United States

#622 Feb 6, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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My point is that it takes more than just a few unreasonable leaps of faith for one to arrive at a conclusion that what is written in the Bible came directly from God.
I don't know why you're talking about robbing banks and suicide.
woof
lol.. Because it has as much relevance as your statement.

And no, it does not take unreasonable leaps of faith. The vast majority of the bible is historical accounting.

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#623 Feb 6, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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My point is that it takes more than just a few unreasonable leaps of faith for one to arrive at a conclusion that what is written in the Bible came directly from God.
I don't know why you're talking about robbing banks and suicide.
woof
The doctrine is "inspiration" not that it was the product of the "hand of God" or "mind control"
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#624 Feb 6, 2013
Adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>lol.. Because it has as much relevance as your statement.
And no, it does not take unreasonable leaps of faith. The vast majority of the bible is historical accounting.
So which do you believe it is?

A "historical accounting", or a "historical accounting of the word of God"?

Either way, I would pose the question this way:

When American children have been schooled in American history over the past hundred and fifty years or so, until perhaps very recently if at all, were they ever taught a factually accurate "historical accounting" of the initial European explorers' interaction with indigenous people in the Americas?

You see, I tend to be very suspicious of those who write "historical accountings" when there are grand incentives for recreating or omitting facts.

woof
Adif understanding

United States

#625 Feb 6, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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So which do you believe it is?
A "historical accounting", or a "historical accounting of the word of God"?
Either way, I would pose the question this way:
When American children have been schooled in American history over the past hundred and fifty years or so, until perhaps very recently if at all, were they ever taught a factually accurate "historical accounting" of the initial European explorers' interaction with indigenous people in the Americas?
You see, I tend to be very suspicious of those who write "historical accountings" when there are grand incentives for recreating or omitting facts.
woof
It's both lol.. As for your history of the first European explorers comming to the US, I think every school history class tells the truth, they came looking for money and things they could sell for money.

You must be thinking about the story of thanks giving which is rarely told accurately. However, it is interesting that you can find a book and inside that book, you can find historical accounting... Now either you don't trust historical accounting which you would fall into a logic loop and not be able to trust any accounting unless you were there to witness it, or you eventually trust a source for accuracy.

There is enough documentation and collaborating evidence that shows most of the bible to be factually true.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#626 Feb 6, 2013
Adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>It's both lol.. As for your history of the first European explorers comming to the US, I think every school history class tells the truth, they came looking for money and things they could sell for money.
You must be thinking about the story of thanks giving which is rarely told accurately. However, it is interesting that you can find a book and inside that book, you can find historical accounting... Now either you don't trust historical accounting which you would fall into a logic loop and not be able to trust any accounting unless you were there to witness it, or you eventually trust a source for accuracy.
There is enough documentation and collaborating evidence that shows most of the bible to be factually true.
No, I'm not thinking of pilgrims and/or Thanksgiving. I'm talking about genocide.

I'm talking about history less than 600 years old that somehow gets transformed to purposefully change reality so that the "facts" present the actors in a more positive light, and the "history" being taught is more palatable to those learning it.

I'm talking about the internal human incentives for people of means throughout time to mold "history" in order to influence and control people and information.

One can easily find similar examples occurring within the past century.

It's safe to assume that over the past 2000 years, in eras of smaller populations and less sophisticated communications and educational institutions, where religious entities wielded overwhelming control of information and influence in society, education, and government, great incentives and abilities of humans to change factual history over time have always existed.

To pretend otherwise, is pure folly.

woof

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#627 Feb 6, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
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yes I did screen to best of my ability all gay people out of my 5 kids lives.
not any of the 5 are gay.
gay does not just happen. you chose.
So, when did you choose to be straight?

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#628 Feb 6, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Can anyone translate?
I think his ex-wife must have gotten custody.

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#629 Feb 6, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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The Charter has already been sued under state law, and the issue has already been decided in the US Supreme Court.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/99-699....
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/99-699....
Several states do indeed have statutes or appellate court holdings protecting sexual orientation as a suspect, or quasi suspect class, including California, Connecticut, Massachussets, and New Jersey.
I'm guessing the National BSA is responding to complaints from those who would like to see the matter be decided at the local level.
woof
In fact, the Office of Civil Rights actually has a defined function of defending the BSA against attack on account of their anti-gay policies.

I think that the BSA has actually backed itself into a very bad corner. They took a strong stand against gays for political reasons--no doubt believing that this would counter the trouble that they were facing due to having failed to deal adequately with child-abusing adults in their ranks over time. Now they are beginning to realize that they look ridiculous. The kid who was denied Eagle Scout, and the lesbian den mother were clearly not endangering anyone.

And it is clear that the country as a whole is becoming more knowledgeable and more tolerant of people who are gay. Some of this is a result of families (including the woman who started PFLAG) who decided that they were simply NOT going to throw out their children who are gay--or pretend whatever they used to pretend about people in the closet.

This is not the only relevance problem faced by BSA, but it is a big one.

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