Scouting’s suicide

“animis opibusque parati”

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#550 Feb 5, 2013
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Is it any wonder so many of our liturgical, theological, and moral teachings became so utterly corrupted during that time frame?

I’m sure some will stomp their feet and cross their arms and tell me I’m wrong. The evidence presented in the abstract is of numerous case studies supporting the notion that homosexuality and pedophilia are strongly linked.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#551 Feb 5, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
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you don't know what majority means.
35% is not a majority in anyones book
try again, it was nice having you play along.
Pipe down, Tax Boy.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

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#552 Feb 5, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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And that justifies the Catholic Church's systematic, institutional abuse of children how?
Wow. Leaps in logic...did you grow frog legs to make that leap?

Where in the h#ll did you infer that anyone was justifying abuse of children? Went to these points: that pedophilia occurs throughout society and to the fact the Mohammed has sound reason to be considered a pedophile.

Major FAIL.

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#553 Feb 5, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Those were examples of Papal discipline. The vast majority is at the lower levels. It doesn't take a Pope to excommunicate someone. I believe I read that there are an average of two or three excommunications a year in North America.
Again, those are the extremes. I would imagine that there are many other kinds of inducements to follow along, having to do with things like being considered for positions and all.

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#554 Feb 5, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>My mistake, then. I thought you were referring to the Church.
I don't believe the BSA covered up nearly as much as the Church.
I'm not lying when I tell you that as a Catholic and a former Scout, I never knew a clergyman or scout leader accused of sexual misconduct.
That makes sense. The whole MO was to foster that image--in both cases.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#555 Feb 5, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Again, those are the extremes. I would imagine that there are many other kinds of inducements to follow along, having to do with things like being considered for positions and all.
You've lost me...

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#556 Feb 5, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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That makes sense. The whole MO was to foster that image--in both cases.
I don't think my parents...a Grand Knight and a Parish Council person would have missed that...especially after shelling out a bundle in tuition.

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#557 Feb 5, 2013
-tip- wrote:
Helpful synopsis.
http://veneremurcernui.wordpress.com/2010/05/...
In previous posts on the recently drug up sex abuse scandals afflicting the Church, I’ve debated with some pro-homosexual agenda individuals who have stated that there are vast reams of data showing no link between homosexuality and pedophilia. This is a bit like the 'global scientific consensus' on anthropogenic...global warming...global cooling...climate change -- there is nothing of the sort, and, in fact, there is evidence of one side, climate change proponents, if you will, blackballing and intimidating dissenting opinions.
A new abstract [link] argues just that. Put together by Dr. Brian Clowes of Human Life International, this study shows ample evidence of links between homosexuality and pedophilia, or, more precisely, ephebophilia, which is a desire for boys aged 11-16 or so.
HLI has it's own point of view--or bias. Dr. Brian Clowes, btw has a PhD in Engineering. There are, you realize, people who are actually credentialled in things like human sexuality. And they don't line up with Dr. Clowes' findings.

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#558 Feb 5, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>You've lost me...
I'm saying that policy is set in Rome. Those (in the priesthood) who disagree find themselves on the outs. They don't get moved into positions of greater responsibility.

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#559 Feb 5, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think my parents...a Grand Knight and a Parish Council person would have missed that...especially after shelling out a bundle in tuition.
So, maybe it didn't happen in your parish. But it happened in others.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#560 Feb 5, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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I'm saying that policy is set in Rome. Those (in the priesthood) who disagree find themselves on the outs. They don't get moved into positions of greater responsibility.
Policy setting and implementing are two different things. And don't fool yourself...guilty parties outside of the Church are often moved to places of relative "safety."
adif understanding

Lancaster, OH

#561 Feb 5, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Ohhhhhhh! The righteous anger. Being called upon to support one's own statements. You have no idea if there have ever been any fatwah's in support of pedophilia or "thighing." And rather than admit that (or that you've been googling all afternoon and can't come up with any), you are going to call me lazy for not doing your research for you.
I would suggest that the Bible does not necessarily endorse incest. But, it includes the account of Lot's daughters doing what they needed to do to continue their line, living in isolation with no husbands. Likewise, it does not give the specific age of every bride on marriage, but everything is not so clean and nice and Ozzie and Harriet as some folks like to pretend. In fact, if you spend much time following marriages and so forth through the Bible, you might step back from the so-called Biblical view of marriage and family.
Yet, you claim to understand the whole of Islam by pulling a verse or two here and there.
Lol.. and is that account being pushed as a religious right by the leadership of the Churches? That's a huge difference between Islam and other religions.

Also, I claimed to be no such expert, I claimed Muslims are pedophiles supported by their religious doctrine because their illiterate pedophile prophet molested children. I see you have not denied that fact, you just want to change the topic to something else.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#562 Feb 5, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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So, maybe it didn't happen in your parish. But it happened in others.
Not saying it didn't. But I don't see it to be as widespread as the headhunting media declares it.
adif understanding

Lancaster, OH

#563 Feb 5, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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And you studied human sexuality where, exactly?
It is statements like that that lead many to suspect that a good many gay-haters are merely closeted self-haters. Well, keep on keeping on. Let it be your own little secret how your sergeant salutes when a pretty boy walks by. Fight the good fight. Marry some unsuspecting little woman who won't mind too much if you have a great platonic relationship and not so much under the covers.
Just know that what you feel is NOT what every other man on the block feels. And it is all right.
Lol.. And instead of denying it, you attempt to inslut me with your ad hominem attacks thinking what exactly? Was you thinking that I would go away? Was you thinking you could call me queer because you said so? You should not worry about my sexuality, if I was concerned with it, I would have already made a statement concerning it. BTW, why are you so interested in my sexuality? Is it that you want to hook up or something...lol

Homosexuals are people picking perversion and perverted pleasure over normal order of life. Sexual actually means an act of sex and little more. Even when you extrapolate it to feelings, it deals with the desire of sexual relation.

Since: Oct 10

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#564 Feb 5, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Where does the Catholic church say that?
"Homosexual desires, however, are not in themselves sinful. People are subject to a wide variety of sinful desires over which they have little direct control, but these do not become sinful until a person acts upon them, either by acting out the desire or by encouraging the desire and deliberately engaging in fantasies about acting it out. People tempted by homosexual desires, like people tempted by improper heterosexual desires, are not sinning until they act upon those desires in some manner."
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/homosexuality
To me, if a hetrosexual has sex outside of marriage, that is adultry, therefore, a sin.

Now there are exceptions, to me, to the above. When the Catholics were driven from England because of their religion, and came to America, years would pass without a priest or any kind of clergyman to marry a man and woman. Men would send back to England and have 'wives' sent to them. They would speak their own vowels, live together as man and wife, have children and if a priest came to the area ten years later, have the ceremony.

To me, God reads the heart, is all knowing and the circumstances of the time dictated the behavior.

Exactly the same thing with homosexuals, unless they participate in sex, there is no sin.

BUT, I believe in my heart that my God knows what leads anyone down the path they take, and that He is all knowing and understanding and I am not. It is not my place to judge, nor anyone elses.

I have homosexual relatives and close friends. Most, I would trust with my life and don't think about their sexual preference anymore than I do the color of their eyes.

However,I feel strongly that for the BSA, or anyother youth oriented group, to allow known homosexuals to be leaders is foolhardy, unsafe and not in step with protecting our young people.

I do not think that all homosexuals are child predators anymore than all hetrosexuals are pedophiles, but when it somes to any child, it is simply irresponsible to allow it in the name of 'equality.' These are children, they are vulnerable, they are defenseless and it is society's role, no, duty, to protect them until they are adults and able to make their own decisions and figure it out, uninfluenced by someone with authority over them.

Political correctness, in my opinion, is being carried to the extreme in this case. Since this has been sanctioned, if I had a son, I would not allow him to join the boy scouts, and I am sure many parents will react the same.

So what we have in the end is taking away from many of our young boys an activity and learning experience that has worked for hundreds of years.

And all because some adult got on the 'equal rights' band wagon.

I do know only one scout master. He is married with adult sons. However, I would call his sexual persuasion 'suspect.' And that does NOT reflect on any other member of the BSA.
adif understanding

Lancaster, OH

#565 Feb 5, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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To me, if a hetrosexual has sex outside of marriage, that is adultry, therefore, a sin.
Now there are exceptions, to me, to the above. When the Catholics were driven from England because of their religion, and came to America, years would pass without a priest or any kind of clergyman to marry a man and woman. Men would send back to England and have 'wives' sent to them. They would speak their own vowels, live together as man and wife, have children and if a priest came to the area ten years later, have the ceremony.
To me, God reads the heart, is all knowing and the circumstances of the time dictated the behavior.
Exactly the same thing with homosexuals, unless they participate in sex, there is no sin.
BUT, I believe in my heart that my God knows what leads anyone down the path they take, and that He is all knowing and understanding and I am not. It is not my place to judge, nor anyone elses.
I have homosexual relatives and close friends. Most, I would trust with my life and don't think about their sexual preference anymore than I do the color of their eyes.
However,I feel strongly that for the BSA, or anyother youth oriented group, to allow known homosexuals to be leaders is foolhardy, unsafe and not in step with protecting our young people.
I do not think that all homosexuals are child predators anymore than all hetrosexuals are pedophiles, but when it somes to any child, it is simply irresponsible to allow it in the name of 'equality.' These are children, they are vulnerable, they are defenseless and it is society's role, no, duty, to protect them until they are adults and able to make their own decisions and figure it out, uninfluenced by someone with authority over them.
Political correctness, in my opinion, is being carried to the extreme in this case. Since this has been sanctioned, if I had a son, I would not allow him to join the boy scouts, and I am sure many parents will react the same.
So what we have in the end is taking away from many of our young boys an activity and learning experience that has worked for hundreds of years.
And all because some adult got on the 'equal rights' band wagon.
I do know only one scout master. He is married with adult sons. However, I would call his sexual persuasion 'suspect.' And that does NOT reflect on any other member of the BSA.
You are treading on a very rocky path spiritually. When homosexuality, or the equivalent of it since the actual word is a modern invention not available in the days of the bible, it has stated that God outlaws it or that God found it a disgusting abomination.

The bible also tells us that the devil will be there tempting us with sin. Now here is where you are endangering yourself. You are saying, whatever is written in the bible doesn't matter because you have convinced yourself that something else exists. You have convinced yourself that the only inclination of what God thinks that is presented to us doesn't matter and that somehow, you are still spiritual.

You may be right, you may be wrong. It's your eternal life to lose. But just remember, there is only one unforgivable sin and that is denying the lord after knowing his truth. Just make sure your PC is right when you get right with the lord.
Joe Friday

Akron, OH

#566 Feb 5, 2013
Will they be able to earn a merit badge for singing showtunes???, let the gays start their own version of the boyscouts-isn't the catholic priest debacle enough!!!!
Wait what

Dublin, OH

#567 Feb 5, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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The majority of Americans today regard homosexuality as a state of being, as heterosexuality is. It is not morally anything any more than being male or female are morally anything.
If that were true, gay marriage amendments would have no trouble passing when on the ballot.

“Where did I put my tiara?”

Since: Dec 11

Columbus, OH

#568 Feb 6, 2013
I haven't been following this thread, so forgive me if someone brought this up. I found this interesting this morning. The Mormon church is the biggest religious supporter, percentage wise, of the Scouts. I am curious to see what stance they will take today.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#569 Feb 6, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Pipe down, Tax Boy.
again, when the stupid people like you are handed reality, above is the best you got.

and you wonder why you earn minimum wage.

we know why.

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