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Agreed. The problem as you pointed out isn't the immigrants from other European nations in general. It's the Muslims. Most Poles who land there are there for one of two things (as a lot of foreigners here): work or to establish citizenship. I just found the number of Pakistanis and Nigerians who settle there interesting. Islam is a large component of many Nigerians' cultural identity. I don't know how aware of this a lot of folks are--lots seem to think it's a benign issue because it was once a British colony. It was a side issue with some of the discussions I'd seen fly past my email, but interesting enough to check it out.
Nigeria is divided half/half between Islam and Christianity with animist undertones.

The "Empire Guilt" is a major reason why it's proven hard to reject this immigration.

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On the bright side Mark, no Topix.
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Water's in the well. I can get it out.
Food's in the cupboard.
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Got enough gas to power the generator for the well?

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Lights were off longer than that just last summer. No wars, no chaos.
Seems like we have had a major outage at least once a year every year in the last 10 years or so.
Was there chaos following Hurrican Sandy? I missed it.
Three day blackout last year?

No, you had a minor power outage and the trucks were still moving.

There was chaos after Katrina, because supplies didn't get through, in contrast supplies weren't blocked that long during Sandy, but imagine supplies blocked for a month..

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UK immigration is more than Islam or Eastern Europeans, it's also the Black Caribbeans and Sikhs.
The Japanese don't play games with this, it is damn near impossible to get into Japan, and thus in 100 years, Japan will still exist unless it decides that leftism is a swell idea.
Sikhs have historical animosity towards Islam, so they are not a problem for Westerners.
The problem in many cases is that far too many South Asians are motivated by AWR and think that anger against Islam is race based.
Japan takes it too far, though. They've sacrificed relative youth for racial purity. Their system will fold soon...their population is going to be 20% less in 30 years than it is today. Think Russia, but with a healthy elderly population. Never mind who's going to pay to keep those folks...who's going to be a round to do the work of society?

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Mar 31, 2013
 
Post #167 should say, "1947-1980."

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Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Ummm...from the mid '60s through the late '80s, the average Yugoslav citizen was far better off than any other Eastern European, and arguably better off than many Italians, Greeks and Spaniards. These people had no idea of what awaited them beginning with an economic meltdown (sound familiar?) in 1989-90 to the genocidal wars that followed.
And like I said, the life they've been exposed to during these hardships is a far cry from the life of the average American citizen.

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<quoted text>Did you see 9/11 as "feasible"? Tom Clancy was laughed at with his similar scenario in "Debt of Honor" in 1994.
Absolutely. Especially after Oklahoma City. While it was a large-scale attack, those people are not and were not capable of eradicating this entire nation.

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And like I said, the life they've been exposed to during these hardships is a far cry from the life of the average American citizen.
What I'm saying is that an average American living in a large city today is no different than an average citizen of Sarajevo was in 1984.

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Absolutely. Especially after Oklahoma City. While it was a large-scale attack, those people are not and were not capable of eradicating this entire nation.
Then you missed your true calling as a member of our intelligence and national security apparatus.
Suicide runs by United States flagged commercial airliners were regarded as a preposterous notion.

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<quoted text>Japan takes it too far, though. They've sacrificed relative youth for racial purity. Their system will fold soon...their population is going to be 20% less in 30 years than it is today. Think Russia, but with a healthy elderly population. Never mind who's going to pay to keep those folks...who's going to be a round to do the work of society?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASIMO

The Japanese problem is more a problem where they cannot advance younger workers, because older workers have to be kept on to prevent pension collapse. The QE of the Yen is the bet to prevent this. This then prevents people from starting families earlier, not to mention the creepy sexual habits found over there.

Not to mention that those islands have far too many people on them as is.

They are admittedly, far more extreme than I am. I simply want pre 1965 rules, not a shutdown.

The Koreans have similar rules and fertility rates, but have the "benefit" of when the North collapses of the North's 2.0 TFR.

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And like I said, the life they've been exposed to during these hardships is a far cry from the life of the average American citizen.
You seem to be misinterpreting what is being said.

Before the Yugoslavian breakup, the people lived quite nice lives, and few were WWII veterans, and most born after WWII.

Their living standards were probably a bit lower than those of your youth, but they had no personal experience with total war.

Until it happened.

So even though few Americans understand total war personally, the possibility of it is just as likely as it was in Yugoslavia.

Same factors

-economics (socialism/capitalism)
-ethnoreligious impulse
-declining national strength
-desire to split the country

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Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>What I'm saying is that an average American living in a large city today is no different than an average citizen of Sarajevo was in 1984.
Quite possibly, but I think that comparatively speaking, our culture doesn't have the capacity to even become like the culture of Sarajevo today. There are a lot of technological changes that have occurred since 1984 that makes the people of Sarajevo then much different than the people of America now.

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Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Then you missed your true calling as a member of our intelligence and national security apparatus.
Suicide runs by United States flagged commercial airliners were regarded as a preposterous notion.
You didn't ask if I knew it would happen, you asked me if I thought it was feasible. I think after Oklahoma City, many people thought things like 9/11 were feasible. I would say that we as a society would have to be naive and egotistical to think otherwise.

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You seem to be misinterpreting what is being said.
Before the Yugoslavian breakup, the people lived quite nice lives, and few were WWII veterans, and most born after WWII.
Their living standards were probably a bit lower than those of your youth, but they had no personal experience with total war.
Until it happened.
So even though few Americans understand total war personally, the possibility of it is just as likely as it was in Yugoslavia.
Same factors
-economics (socialism/capitalism)
-ethnoreligious impulse
-declining national strength
-desire to split the country
Read my response to George. Pretty much sums up what my response would be here.

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Quite possibly, but I think that comparatively speaking, our culture doesn't have the capacity to even become like the culture of Sarajevo today. There are a lot of technological changes that have occurred since 1984 that makes the people of Sarajevo then much different than the people of America now.
Because we have Iphones?

I guess we'll have to wait and see, but I'll I need to bolster my argument is a First World country ripping itself up at the seams.

Greece, Cyprus, Italy, France, Spain

Perhaps not yet, but soon

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Quite possibly, but I think that comparatively speaking, our culture doesn't have the capacity to even become like the culture of Sarajevo today. There are a lot of technological changes that have occurred since 1984 that makes the people of Sarajevo then much different than the people of America now.
That technology simply makes us more vulnerable. Haven't you seen the fears experts have regarding hacking? They're not talking about your bank account...they're talking about the North American power grid. Do you know how fragile the internet is? How about mobile communications? Even today's landlines depend on the internet.
The people of Sarajevo in 1984 were far better prepared for disaster than 97% of Americans are today.

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You didn't ask if I knew it would happen, you asked me if I thought it was feasible. I think after Oklahoma City, many people thought things like 9/11 were feasible. I would say that we as a society would have to be naive and egotistical to think otherwise.
OKC was primitive. Truck bombs have been around since World War I. The biggest school massacre was by truck bomb in Michigan in 1927. They were a weapon of choice in the "Troubles" used by the IRA in the '70s and '80s. Then there was the Beirut barracks truck bomb in 1983.
9/11 required :
1) Flight skills
2) Security lapses
3) Intelligence failures
4) Engineering flaws (The Twin Towers)
5) Engineering miracles (The aircraft, pushed beyond their limits)

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Because we have Iphones?
I guess we'll have to wait and see, but I'll I need to bolster my argument is a First World country ripping itself up at the seams.
Greece, Cyprus, Italy, France, Spain
Perhaps not yet, but soon
Because of a lot of things. Technology being one of them, yes. We are a long ways away from things of this nature.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>That technology simply makes us more vulnerable. Haven't you seen the fears experts have regarding hacking? They're not talking about your bank account...they're talking about the North American power grid. Do you know how fragile the internet is? How about mobile communications? Even today's landlines depend on the internet.
The people of Sarajevo in 1984 were far better prepared for disaster than 97% of Americans are today.
To some degree it makes us vulnerable, in other ways it doesn't. I understand that you're thinking worse-case scenario here, but I just don't think we're facing a zombie apocalypse type world. I also think our government and many other governments do have plans in place if something like that were to occur. I totally agree with you on your last point, however. I'm continually disappointed in how ignorant our country is to world events and issues that are happening in our own country. Too many people are fascinated about the wrong things. So despite the two of us having differing politics and other things, I at least respect that you have knowledge about what's going on in the world.

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