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Georgia IS very poor, outside of Atlanta and a few other cities. The state of Georgia is often separate - in many ways - from the cities. And Atlanta is no longer a Southern city - people who live there have brought their money from elsewhere. And many of those people, those transplants, are quite liberal. There are many gay folk in Atlanta, for instance, these days.
UA is very liberal and Dublin, traditionally conservative, is quickly becoming liberal as well as more and more transplants move in from other places. We are in the midst of everything being turned upside down.
I'd have to disagree re: Georgia. Savannah, Valdosta, Thomasville (just north of Tallahassee) and other regions are actually quite well off. Ever drive through Georgia? There is some serious money down there. There is serious money in Savannah as well. Georgia has attracted quite a bit of business over the past ten years. Can we say NCR?

I would agree with the general trend that as areas become more urbanized/populated, they do tend to become less conservative in some ways. Why that is, I can't say.

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Middle class, according to the government, can go into the six figures. Some would say $30K is middle class. That's way too broad a range to figure how to fix anything. Until the definition is truly defined, politicians will get nowhere. And women who are pregnant will continue to hold off on getting married because of the benefits they get from the government, despite living with the father of the baby and enjoying his income. Talk about skewed stats!
Agreed, but the range is stretched in my thinking primarily because of cost of living figures between states. Here in Ohio, you are solidly middle class if you have an income of $70K or above.

Now, go to NYC or LA or Houston or even Atlanta. You aren't going to be able to live as well on $70K a year there as you will here. Housing costs in NYC or LA are astronomical, astronomical throughout California as a matter of fact. Spend some time in Cali, you'll know what I mean. Food costs, very very low there because it is the granola and salad basket in many regions. But gas, housing, insurance, almost every other major living expense you can imagine in at least twice, if not thrice, what it is here. Someone making $70K and living in LA is not doing well.
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I'd have to disagree re: Georgia. Savannah, Valdosta, Thomasville (just north of Tallahassee) and other regions are actually quite well off. Ever drive through Georgia? There is some serious money down there. There is serious money in Savannah as well. Georgia has attracted quite a bit of business over the past ten years. Can we say NCR?
I would agree with the general trend that as areas become more urbanized/populated, they do tend to become less conservative in some ways. Why that is, I can't say.
Honestly. "Did you every drive through there?" I hardly equate driving through anywhere as truly gaining knowledge of a culture.

No ma'am, I'm as ignorant as they come and have no life experiences or professional experiences from which to draw.

Thanks for reminding me why I need a sabbatical from this place.

PS - Suggest you research before posting and basing your knowledge on touristy drive-bys. The income for Savannah and for its county is far less than the US average.

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I would agree with the general trend that as areas become more urbanized/populated, they do tend to become less conservative in some ways. Why that is, I can't say.
Easy explanation: "Californication." That's why Nevada and Colorado have gone blue in the past decade. Same thing in Atlanta...northern urban blacks have moved there. Same thing in Franklin County...an influx over the past 20 years from NE Ohio, Western PA, Western NY and some (like me) from the east coast.
These transplants move to escape high taxes and unemployment, then many of them proceed to vote the same way they always have, being too stupid to realize they're just shifting the original problems to their new location...and subjecting the natives to it.
California transplants have ruined the Las Vegas area. That's a fact.
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Agreed, but the range is stretched in my thinking primarily because of cost of living figures between states. Here in Ohio, you are solidly middle class if you have an income of $70K or above.
Now, go to NYC or LA or Houston or even Atlanta. You aren't going to be able to live as well on $70K a year there as you will here. Housing costs in NYC or LA are astronomical, astronomical throughout California as a matter of fact. Spend some time in Cali, you'll know what I mean. Food costs, very very low there because it is the granola and salad basket in many regions. But gas, housing, insurance, almost every other major living expense you can imagine in at least twice, if not thrice, what it is here. Someone making $70K and living in LA is not doing well.
And no ma'am, I have never spent time in Cali nor would I have family who lives there. I'm just an ignorant buffoon from Dublin, Ohio /s.

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The article you posted what quick to point out that voting Republican does not necessarily equate with being conservative.
It's not the only article on this subject. The statement I was making is that Alabama is the most conservative state in the union.

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In these counties, 1 of 3 children live in poverty. If you look at the demographics, I'm not at all sure these counties are conservative and vote Republican.
http://gbpi.org/georgia-5th-highest-poverty-i...
The argument of conservative = poor is a very broad, media-driven political tool.
I'm not only taking media reports into consideration. As I stated in a previous post, my hometown is very conservative and is very poor. Most of the regions around my hometown are the same.

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Nope what? I can speak to where I'm from, which is southeastern Ohio. I know the unemployment rate is high and I know most people there are conservative.

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Honestly. "Did you every drive through there?" I hardly equate driving through anywhere as truly gaining knowledge of a culture.
No ma'am, I'm as ignorant as they come and have no life experiences or professional experiences from which to draw.
Thanks for reminding me why I need a sabbatical from this place.
PS - Suggest you research before posting and basing your knowledge on touristy drive-bys. The income for Savannah and for its county is far less than the US average.
Wow. Panties in a wad?

Not touristy drive-bys.

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/S...
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/C...

Compare the two.

Maybe you do need to reconsider why you come here. I am, was, being respectful. I am also quite intelligent, have a college education, have been well-traveled, and don't whine. Have a nice day, M'AM. Your post was rude and flippant, quite surprising as a matter of fact.

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<quoted text>Easy explanation: "Californication." That's why Nevada and Colorado have gone blue in the past decade. Same thing in Atlanta...northern urban blacks have moved there. Same thing in Franklin County...an influx over the past 20 years from NE Ohio, Western PA, Western NY and some (like me) from the east coast.
These transplants move to escape high taxes and unemployment, then many of them proceed to vote the same way they always have, being too stupid to realize they're just shifting the original problems to their new location...and subjecting the natives to it.
California transplants have ruined the Las Vegas area. That's a fact.
I'd have to agree. Move the body, don't move the mindset.

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Mississippi isn't exactly a wealthy state. West Virginia, although having a democratic governor, is not a wealthy state and most areas are impoverished and conservative. Where I am from has a very high unemployment rate and the majority of people vote conservatively. Alabama is the most conservative state in the union and has a 17.3% poverty rate. I wouldn't say that's success.
The most conservative state is UTAH.

It has the lowest "income inequality" of any state, the most "unequal" state is D dominated New York.

Note the race differential in Alabama, most of the poor are blacks and vote D.

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Nope what? I can speak to where I'm from, which is southeastern Ohio. I know the unemployment rate is high and I know most people there are conservative.
http://www.uakron.edu/dotAsset/2108193.jpg

Note the two dark blue counties, compared to Central, NW and SE Ohio, SE Ohio (Appalachia) is mostly a swing region of the state.

It has only one "solid R" county, and most of the area voted for Ted Strickland.

The area isn't that conservative, it was represented in Congress for most of the last two decades by Democrats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...

In 2012, Wilson (D) ran a competitive election.

The unemployment rate is mostly due to the end of large scale mining, it would be a tenuous to say that it's because of the area's "conservative politics"

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Obviously places that are wealthy are going to be more conservative. But it seems there are many places that are the polar opposite wealth-wise and they are also very conservative.
Obama won most of the 10 wealthiest counties.

By and large, conservatism is a white middle class ideology.

Most of the wealthy GOP donors are only conservative in that they want lower taxes for business growth. Sheldon Adelson ($$$$) is a notorious example.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49726054

The only of the wealthiest that didn't go D are in New Jersey, ironic....

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No, you can't stereotype. But when it comes to some states being primarily conservative, many of them do not have low unemployment rates or high standards of living. As I replied in another post, my hometown is a very poor area, has a high unemployment rate and the area is primarily conservative. I would say for most of southeastern Ohio this is the case.
Of the four biggest states, Texas is the most conservative and has the lowest unemployment.

In the Midwest, the most liberal state, Illinois, has the highest unemployment rate.

Even higher than Michigan.

In the states with the lowest unemployment, only Vermont features as a liberal state.

When considering that if PR was a state, it would almost certainly elect all Ds, it has worse unemployment and poverty than all US states.

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I'd have to agree. Move the body, don't move the mindset.
If one is forced to move to California, you better bring mindsets to spare.

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The unemployment rate is mostly due to the end of large scale mining, it would be a tenuous to say that it's because of the area's "conservative politics"
That thought came to my mind.

I've always wondered though, why no industry has ever been swayed to go there. Admittedly, much less population/workers, but land is available and could be developed. I've always wondered why especially SE Ohio just never attracted new business or industry.

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That thought came to my mind.
I've always wondered though, why no industry has ever been swayed to go there. Admittedly, much less population/workers, but land is available and could be developed. I've always wondered why especially SE Ohio just never attracted new business or industry.
Terrain, it's hilly not flat.

The water tastes different.

Industry mainly locates along the river, transport on barges.

I have no clue how much this plays a role, but I'm guessing that drug use rates are higher there. Most employers demand that applicants pass a drug test.

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That thought came to my mind.
I've always wondered though, why no industry has ever been swayed to go there. Admittedly, much less population/workers, but land is available and could be developed. I've always wondered why especially SE Ohio just never attracted new business or industry.
No in-place infrastructure. Water, sewer and power lines cost money. So do roads. Look what Wexner had to do on the NE side of the county to accommodate his dreams. And that was in an urban area.

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If one is forced to move to California, you better bring mindsets to spare.
LMAO!! No doubt. Emerald Triangle comes to mind.

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LMAO!! No doubt. Emerald Triangle comes to mind.
I was thinking of bringing more brains to offset all of the illegal voters, but that works too.

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