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There are 10 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Nov 12, 2009, titled Fathers' rights protestors plead guilty to misdemeanor | The Co.... In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

Two fathers who staged a protest at a Buckeyes football game last year to complain about the way dads are treated by family courts pleaded guilty this morning to criminal charges.

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Columbus, OH

#141 Nov 17, 2009
Just don't get Married and drag the State into your affairs. Child support/visitation is so much more simplified if you are not legally Married.

It's a frikin joke anymore. Any Man who gets Married needs his head examined.
Rene S Hollan

Kent, WA

#142 Nov 18, 2009
teri stoddard wrote:
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Illinois. The couple were never married. They live a block apart and shared 50/50, which is what the kids wanted. The mom should have lost all custody. Instead she got sole custody.
I quoted dad and the son here: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/4661...
This is the same mom who made him pay for both attorneys so she could get an increase in child support, and the next day turned in her family car for a 2-seater sportscar. Which meant she could never take both children with her at the same time.
Both kids moved in with Dad on their 18th birthdays.
Mom didn't want to become gainfully employed. She lived on his child support. I fear this is the main factor in many cases of moms who want sole custody.
Rene, Donald Tenn's case shows that even if you win in court, you may not get help enforcing it. In his case, Marvin Hansen the State's attorney answers to no one, except the voters.
I'll have to look up Illinois law then. Glad I didn't divorce there.

Usually, in civil cases, defendant's legal fees are awarded if a case is brought in bad faith. There are also statutory provisions for them in some kids of cases and appeals. Plaintiff's legal fees are usually awarded when plaintiff seeks to enforce an existing order, but there is wide judicial discretion: when I sued my ex-wife for not following the divorce decree, I won legal fees in the original decision, but not when I had to further file contempt charges for her not following the subsequent one.

Don Tenn's case is one of jurisdiction. I think he is fighting it in the wrong venue. He should have filed in Federal court once the child was taken across state lines. To wit: the California order only has force in California. While there are Federal laws that govern jurisdiction over children of divorce, his case might be complicated in that he was not divorced. I'm not sure how jurisdiction of the child is then established, and this is likely why California and Illinois both claim jurisdiction. No, I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice. I sure wish a lawyer would contribute, though.
teri stoddard

Concord, CA

#143 Nov 18, 2009
Rene, I've heard from many men who have to pay for both attorneys whenever the mom files in family court. In the IL case I mentioned the dad made much more money than mom.
Rene S Hollan

Seattle, WA

#144 Nov 18, 2009
teri stoddard wrote:
Rene, I've heard from many men who have to pay for both attorneys whenever the mom files in family court. In the IL case I mentioned the dad made much more money than mom.
Please cite statutory law or the pleadings of the cases in question. I'm not sure what "pay both attorneys" means: does it mean a suit seeking legal expenses and they are awarded? That usually happens when the court grants the petitioner's relief through an order to compel the respondent to do what they are already supposed to.

In other words, if I am supposed to pay 80% of "extraordinary medical expenses" as part of AN EXISTING child support order, refuse, and mom files suit to recover these, then, yes, she's entitled to legal expenses from me IF she wins the case (and asks for them).(And conversely, if I hire an attorney to defend, I can countersue for my legal expenses to defend IF I win AND can show her claim to have been made in bad faith: that is, I did pay those expenses and she knew it.)

But, I would find it irregular in a new case where a party brings a dispute before the court that is not based on existing orders. Legal fees are generally awarded when it is clear the respondent had the option to avoid litigating a case that they would most likely lose.

I'm therefore curious of the cases you mention. Were they requests for increases in support, objected to on the basis of an inability to pay? If the law provides for such increases (and I'm not suggesting this would necessarily be just: just because "violin lessons" might be argued in the best interests of a child does not make it right that dad should pay for them), and dad balks, then yes, he's stuck. The problem here would be the law giving a blank checkbook to a custodial parent.

The proper, if unpalatable, response would be to agree to the proposed order (because the law would be against one), but argue an inability to comply. IOW: "Yes, I'd give you $100 more a month, but I don't have the money". I've never seen a court order payment of petitioner's legal fees for such "agreed orders".(Of course, such "agreed orders" have their own downsides, because the respondent loses all rights to appeal.)

The only conclusion I can come to is the respondents were on the wrong side of bad statutory law, or were being uncooperative with existing orders.

Kent, OH

#146 Nov 20, 2009
I would like to find out just how many people feel that change is needed (I believe there are many who agree). Please fill out this survey on family courts by going to the following link.

Please feel free to send questions you think should be on future fact-finding questionaires.
Also, are there any judges willing to defend the courts against all this bias? And just how is tearing families apart in the "best interest" of any child??

United States

#147 Nov 23, 2009
YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME! Don't stop fighting for father's rights! JUSTICE WILL WIN IN THE END!
Dennis Rodrigues

Hampstead, NC

#148 Dec 8, 2009
This is going on all over! It must stop for the children! If we have to do it one case at a time!

teri stoddard

Concord, CA

#149 Dec 8, 2009
rene, this was not in a trial. family court judges can do pretty much anything they want. very often judges order the higher income parent to pay for both attorneys.

Edinburgh, UK

#151 Jan 20, 2013
Dennis Rodrigues wrote:
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Lovely another parent who does not care about the child having a relationship with the other parent just wants a monthly check.
Before you judge other people on here I think you should take a long hard look in the mirror yourself Mr Dennis "superman" Rodrigues.
Were you thinking of your own kids when you were busy trying to get an ex-wife into trouble with the law by taking a government issue item and hiding it to get her into trouble or was that just cos you have control issues when it comes to women in your life?
Or what about all those married women back in West Virginia that you were calling and texting non-stop and messaging them online to show pics of your dangly bits to them too? What was your line? "You gotta see suave daddy's penis!"
What about the control issues you have over women too? How many ex's did you have a collar and leash for when they went out and wouldn't let them do anything they wanted without your say so?
So yeah, the "father of the year" mantle ain't yours yet "superman" Take a long hard look in that mirror first!

Kirkcaldy, UK

#152 Jan 22, 2013
Dennis Rodrigues wrote:
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It takes both for that to happen. I guess I could have let her boyfriend and/or girlfriend she had move in. Would it be good for our daughter. I think not. Its not that simple as your handle shows.
I guess it's as simple as pretending to fight for your kids and pretend to be a model father when you're calling, texting and sending pics of your dangly bits and pieces to married women back in West Virginia Mr Rodrigues. Isn't that how you do it Mr Rodrigues? Do your kids know about your plea bargain for harassment yet?

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