Mark Steyn: Secession is coming

Since: Apr 13

Columbus, OH

#188 May 21, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>Are you aware of the upgrades on BUFF-H models that take their service lives to 2030?
I suggest you learn that ALL citizens have the right to speak about ANY aspect of their government. They don't require a "pass" from the likes of you.
What do you get so uptight about when one whom you've denigrated does the same to you? It seems that you feel you're the only authority on anything (we can all read wiki)

When others treat you as you treat them or others, you get all flustered.

If we had a Soviet Union to keep ahead of, most of the outdated, retrofitted craft would be gone,(study the history of the F-4 Phantom, it was still viable in the 80's but the Tomcat's were far superior)

Since: Apr 13

Columbus, OH

#189 May 21, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
<quoted text>
If its unserviceable, they would not be using it.
All the rebellion needs is three nuclear weapons, NYC, DC, LA would be threatened with nuclear destruction if independence was not granted.
Note where the ICBM locations are...red states.
B-1Bs (Ellsworth) red state
B-2s (Whiteman) red state
B-52s (Barksdale) red state
SSBNs (some in Kings Bay Georgia) red state
M1 carbines are still serviceable and used in parades, though not much good in battle.

Those Bombers you mention are owned by the fed. not the state, the states won't get to keep those or the crews and pilots that go with them. To think otherwise is idiocy.

Remember several years back when Georgia(the country) got uppity and the Russians smacked them back down, that's what will happen to any attempts at secession here.

A bunch of yahoo's will get their butts kicked and rightfully so.

Just because one militia doesn't like the government doesn't guarantee you suburbanites will be taken in by them.

-Clayton Bigsby

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#190 May 21, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
One needs a scorecard to keep your various fantasies straight.
What happens to the nukes when Perlovians from the Vandar System invade?
If you can find me advocating a violent split of this nation, I'd like to see it. And after the fall and split of the USSR and the breakup of Yugolslavia, your insistence on calling these possibilities "fantasies" simply proves how narrow minded and provincial you really are.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#191 May 21, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
One needs a scorecard to keep your various fantasies straight.
What happens to the nukes when Perlovians from the Vandar System invade?
I'm going to dumb this down for you to understand.

A. Most whites aren't as left-wing as you
B. The policy of the Gang of 8 is demographic displacement
C. Demographic displacement throughout history ends in bloodshed

The plausibility of civil war in the next 20 years in this country is high as a result.

Your blinders cannot accept such an idea as possible.

-Clayton Bigsby

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#192 May 21, 2013
St of Circumstance wrote:
<quoted text>
What do you get so uptight about when one whom you've denigrated does the same to you? It seems that you feel you're the only authority on anything (we can all read wiki)
When others treat you as you treat them or others, you get all flustered.
If we had a Soviet Union to keep ahead of, most of the outdated, retrofitted craft would be gone,(study the history of the F-4 Phantom, it was still viable in the 80's but the Tomcat's were far superior)
We have China today, and we never got rid of the B-52 because of its versatility. The Air Force realized in the early '80s that it couldn't be counted on to penetrate Soviet airspace to hit a target, hence the deployment of standoff weaponry, namely ALCMs.
BTW, if you think I rely on Wiki, you're a bigger moron than I thought.

Since: Apr 13

Columbus, OH

#193 May 21, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
<quoted text>
If its unserviceable, they would not be using it.
All the rebellion needs is three nuclear weapons, NYC, DC, LA would be threatened with nuclear destruction if independence was not granted.
Note where the ICBM locations are...red states.
B-1Bs (Ellsworth) red state
B-2s (Whiteman) red state
B-52s (Barksdale) red state
SSBNs (some in Kings Bay Georgia) red state
Idiot, your'e trying to put ICBM's at bases where they aren't located. They're mostly in the middle of nowhere. The bases with the bombers you listed most likely have ALCM's to load them with but you're talking out of both sides of your rear and doing it so well.

-Clayton Bigsby

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#194 May 21, 2013
St of Circumstance wrote:
<quoted text>
M1 carbines are still serviceable and used in parades, though not much good in battle.
Those Bombers you mention are owned by the fed. not the state, the states won't get to keep those or the crews and pilots that go with them. To think otherwise is idiocy.
Remember several years back when Georgia(the country) got uppity and the Russians smacked them back down, that's what will happen to any attempts at secession here.
A bunch of yahoo's will get their butts kicked and rightfully so.
Just because one militia doesn't like the government doesn't guarantee you suburbanites will be taken in by them.
Funny...Russia didn't insist on keeping all the military hardware when the USSR broke up. Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan were world powers for a couple of years.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#195 May 21, 2013
St of Circumstance wrote:
<quoted text>
M1 carbines are still serviceable and used in parades, though not much good in battle.
Those Bombers you mention are owned by the fed. not the state, the states won't get to keep those or the crews and pilots that go with them. To think otherwise is idiocy.
Remember several years back when Georgia(the country) got uppity and the Russians smacked them back down, that's what will happen to any attempts at secession here.
A bunch of yahoo's will get their butts kicked and rightfully so.
Just because one militia doesn't like the government doesn't guarantee you suburbanites will be taken in by them.
Ukraine took the Tu-160s with it. Along with 1500 nukes which it took a US bribe to get rid of.

The Red Country would simply seize the bombers, the regime would not be asked its opinion.

And how do you move an ICBM so Red ND, SD, MT and WY don't take them when the rebellion comes?

You can't, that's why Obama is pushing these "arms reduction treaties" with Russia that the Russians are known to be violating.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#196 May 21, 2013
St of Circumstance wrote:
<quoted text>
Idiot, your'e trying to put ICBM's at bases where they aren't located. They're mostly in the middle of nowhere. The bases with the bombers you listed most likely have ALCM's to load them with but you're talking out of both sides of your rear and doing it so well.
The missile fields are in North and South Dakota, Wyoming and Montana.

All right-wing states.

http://www.nps.gov/mimi/photosmultimedia/imag...

Since: Apr 13

Columbus, OH

#197 May 21, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>Red states, aside from Guam. My point was that very few nukes are positioned in blue states. In fact, all that come to mind are Washington and California with New Mexico a possibility for research. Connecticut and Hawaii may host SSNs that have nuclear SLCMs or torpedoes, but that's never confirmed nor denied by the Pentagon. Same with Virginia when CVNs are in port.
You don't really know what we have and where. All you've got is Google, a couple of guesses and some of them are incorrect.

-Clayton Bigsby

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#198 May 21, 2013
St of Circumstance wrote:
<quoted text>
Idiot, your'e trying to put ICBM's at bases where they aren't located. They're mostly in the middle of nowhere. The bases with the bombers you listed most likely have ALCM's to load them with but you're talking out of both sides of your rear and doing it so well.
He didn't say that the ICBMs were at the bomber bases. Those are two separate paragraphs.

-Clayton Bigsby

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#199 May 21, 2013
St of Circumstance wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't really know what we have and where. All you've got is Google, a couple of guesses and some of them are incorrect.
Again, you assume where you shouldn't. And nowhere I listed is incorrect (I noted that there MAY be nukes in certain states that are never officially acknowledged.)

Since: Apr 13

Columbus, OH

#200 May 21, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>We have China today, and we never got rid of the B-52 because of its versatility. The Air Force realized in the early '80s that it couldn't be counted on to penetrate Soviet airspace to hit a target, hence the deployment of standoff weaponry, namely ALCMs.
BTW, if you think I rely on Wiki, you're a bigger moron than I thought.
Then why do you cite wiki 30% of the time, right wing bloggers 30% of the time and guesswork journalism the rest?

You don't know a fraction of what you think you do. You know some generalities and some open info but it's that 85% that you're in the dark on that would make you crap your tightie whities.

-Clayton Bigsby

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#201 May 21, 2013
St of Circumstance wrote:
<quoted text>
Then why do you cite wiki 30% of the time, right wing bloggers 30% of the time and guesswork journalism the rest?
You don't know a fraction of what you think you do. You know some generalities and some open info but it's that 85% that you're in the dark on that would make you crap your tightie whities.
Again, you assume and look foolish.
You have no greater access to information than I do today, Kosmik. You're a burnt out old man with no active clearances.
That description does not apply to me.

Since: Apr 13

Columbus, OH

#202 May 21, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>Funny...Russia didn't insist on keeping all the military hardware when the USSR broke up. Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan were world powers for a couple of years.
Um, when the USSR broke up, they mainly left well used, un-maintained
equipment, they knew what they were doing. AK-47's could be picked up in Pakistan for a nice ball of opium, some of the MiG's, not so much.

Since: Jan 12

United States

#203 May 21, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it's called thinking about possible events in the future, D&D is a board game.
You got your Bug Out back pack loaded and ready for the coming apocalypse?

-Clayton Bigsby

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#204 May 21, 2013
St of Circumstance wrote:
<quoted text>
Um, when the USSR broke up, they mainly left well used, un-maintained
equipment, they knew what they were doing. AK-47's could be picked up in Pakistan for a nice ball of opium, some of the MiG's, not so much.
1500 nuclear weapons were unmaintained? The Black Sea Fleet was unmaintained? Blackjacks were unmaintained?
You're a joke.

Since: Jan 12

United States

#205 May 21, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm going to dumb this down for you to understand.
A. Most whites aren't as left-wing as you
B. The policy of the Gang of 8 is demographic displacement
C. Demographic displacement throughout history ends in bloodshed
The plausibility of civil war in the next 20 years in this country is high as a result.
Your blinders cannot accept such an idea as possible.
And what will be the fate of the black conservatives if your secessionist plans ever came to fruition? With your 'purist ideology ' I don't think Herman, Michael, or Tim Scott would be an equal in your view of a new southern reality.

To be fair, send letters to those black conservatives to warn them of the fate they and their families would face if the 'good ol boys ' ever got their way in a secession.

-Clayton Bigsby

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#206 May 21, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text> You got your Bug Out back pack loaded and ready for the coming apocalypse?
Anyone who doesn't have a Go Bag for any number of potential calamities is a fool. Bet some folks in Oklahoma wish they had one yesterday do take to the storm cellar. They would have had a few necessities when they emerged.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#207 May 21, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text> You got your Bug Out back pack loaded and ready for the coming apocalypse?
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