Dhimmitude in the US Military

Dhimmitude in the US Military

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“animis opibusque parati”

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#1 Aug 14, 2013
by Fay Voshell, American Thinker

At one time race was one of the chief defining factors in marking invidious class distinctions in America. Racial theories, backed by the pseudo-science of racial genetics, were the chief rationales behind the overt and covert persecution of minorities. While the battles for minority rights still continue in some respects, it is only fair to acknowledge the tremendous victories for civil rights. Amazing progress has been made.

But that acknowledgement must be accompanied by the recognition that the impulse on the part of powerful elites to oppress certain classes of people has shifted to the overt oppression and persecution of other groups of people -- based not on the color of their skin, but on their religious beliefs. The constitutional rights of the largest segment of the American populace (Christians and other believers in God) have been routinely eroded and violated for at least fifty years.

During that time, there has been a marked transition from persecution of ethnic and racial minorities to persecution of religious believers. The persecution has been abetted by the currently preferred class whose belief system is based on the radical, fundamentalist political ideology known as "progressivism," a basically secularist and most often atheistic philosophical branch of thinking grown from the tree of the French Revolution.

Nowhere is the oppression of religiously devout Christians and Jews more apparent than within the US military. Our warriors are being attacked by militant atheist progressives who have, ironically, much in common with devotedly combative Islamists. While it might seem that atheists and Islamists have little in common, both groups share a grim determination to suppress the religious freedoms of Christians and Jews.

One needs only to examine the ruthless suppression of Christian and Jewish minorities in countries such as Egypt, Syria and Iraq (among others) and the accompanying silence of the Left concerning such persecution to see the empathetic relationship between Islamists and the Left. The near total silence is a red flag indicator that the Left shares with Islamists the goal of suppressing Christians and Jews.

Allying the hostility of radical progressives with that of those sympathetic to fundamentalist Islamism is resulting in what might well be termed the dhimmitude of Christians and Jews in America's military. The attempts to silence Christians by forbidding "proselytizing," the rules and regulations surrounding open display of bibles, the curtailing of military chaplains' free speech, and the concerted effort to rid the military branches of references to God are all efforts to subvert and oppress Christianity and Judaism.

One person who is at the forefront of the efforts to exterminate Christian influence and faith traditions within the US military is Mikey Weinstein, whose virulent attacks would be cause for consternation and retaliation among the Left, were they directed toward secular Jews or gays.

Weinstein, as president of the Orwellian-named Military Religious Freedom Foundation, believes members of the US Armed Forces should be threatened with court martial should they be guilty of "proselytizing." Todd Starnes of Fox News notes that Weinstein and others from his organization met privately with Pentagon officials on April 23 of this year. At the meeting, Weinstein said U.S. troops who proselytize are guilty of sedition and treason and should be punished, no matter how many Christians want to share their faith. He wants to stave off what he called a "tidal wave of fundamentalists."

Starnes writes:

"Someone needs to be punished for this," Weinstein told Fox News. "Until the Air Force or Army or Navy or Marine Corps punishes a member of the military for unconstitutional religious proselytizing and oppression, we will never have the ability to

“animis opibusque parati”

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#2 Aug 14, 2013
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stop this horrible, horrendous, dehumanizing behavior.[...] If a member of the military is proselytizing in a manner that violates the law, well then of course they can be prosecuted. We would love to see hundreds of prosecutions to stop this outrage of fundamentalist religious persecution."

Weinstein actually compared the act of proselytizing to rape:

"It is a version of being spiritually raped and you are being spiritually raped by fundamentalist Christian religious predators."

He concluded that witnessing on behalf of Christianity is the equivalent of a crime against the almighty State.

What Weinstein call spiritual rape, Christians call evangelization, which is a primary feature of what it means to be Christian. Christians are committed to sharing what they see as the good news of The Way. Is evangelization now to be considered hate speech and worthy of punishment?

If Weinstein and others who are likeminded -- and their name is Legion -- succeed in silencing Christians in the military, it is clear that all Christians will be under increasing attack from the government and groups committed to destroying religious freedoms, effectively reducing the devout to a state of dhimmitude typical of oppressed Christians in countries with Muslim majorities led by fundamentalist Islamists.

Generally in such countries, the dhimmitude of Christians and other religiously devout non-Muslims includes, among other things, denial of the right to openly practice their religion, to share their faith with others, to attempt to convert or persuade others to become Christian, to hand out religious literature and to construct houses of worship. It also means many professions and opportunities for advancement will be closed to Christians, with only the lowest positions in society open to them.

How many Christian officers in America's armed forces are already denied advancement because of their faith? How many are deemed unfit for certain posts because they swear ultimate allegiance to God rather than to the State, regardless of whether or not their service is exemplary? How many Christians are told to shut up and to hide their Bibles and forbidden to wear crosses while Muslims in our armed forces are permitted and encouraged to follow every aspect of their faith?

It's all very dangerous stuff, with perhaps worse persecution to come. It is not too farfetched to foretell a day in which US soldiers are required to swear an oath of allegiance that excludes the free expression of religion, an oath that requires supreme allegiance to the State only, not to God Almighty.

Further, we can be sure that if "proselytizing" is to be forbidden in the military, it eventually will be forbidden in the broader society. The suppression of Christians within the military is a test case for the militant Left and radical Islamists, as the military is a microcosm of society as a whole. It is relatively simple to achieve a sort of dhimmitude within the military because of its hierarchical nature and its sworn allegiance to a now almost totally secularized government led by a civilian Commander in Chief who appears to be ideologically allied with those committed to stamping out Christianity within the military.

What is presently occurring in the military will assuredly provide a template for the persecution of Christian civilians. We can be sure militants against Christians will increasingly set their sights on churches and public institutions, all of which will see intensifying pressure to bow to the demands of the secularized State.

While members of the Armed Forces have agreed to defend and serve their fellow countrymen, they have not agreed to sacrifice their beliefs and consciences. Each is as entitled to religious liberty as the next American. It is incumbent on those in our military to fight for their own liberties as hard as they fight for the liberties

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of the rest of us. Christians within the military must resist the oppression of the State and stand up for their constitutionally guaranteed rights as free men and women of faith.

They have pledged their lives and their sacred honor on behalf of their countrymen. That is enough.

That is more than enough. They must not, nor should they be required to, give up their religious freedoms as well.
Duke for Mayor

United States

#4 Aug 14, 2013
So who's playing the "victim" act Tippy?

woof

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#5 Aug 14, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
So who's playing the "victim" act Tippy?
woof
The U.S. Constitution?
Duke for Mayor

United States

#6 Aug 14, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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The U.S. Constitution?
You. You learnin that from Karl?

woof

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#7 Aug 14, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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You. You learnin that from Karl?
woof
Nope. From my pocket Constitution.
You have one, don't you, counsellor?
Duke for Mayor

United States

#8 Aug 14, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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Nope. From my pocket Constitution.
You have one, don't you, counsellor?
Well now, this will be quite entertaining.

Tell us all how you're being unconstitutionally victimized.

woof

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#9 Aug 14, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Well now, this will be quite entertaining.
Tell us all how you're being unconstitutionally victimized.
woof
Are you stupid or somethin'?
[That's a rhetorical question, counsellor.]

FTA: "He [Weinstein] concluded that witnessing on behalf of Christianity is the equivalent of a crime against the almighty State."
Duke for Mayor

United States

#10 Aug 14, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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Are you stupid or somethin'?
[That's a rhetorical question, counsellor.]
FTA: "He [Weinstein] concluded that witnessing on behalf of Christianity is the equivalent of a crime against the almighty State."
Ok Tippy, now we're getting somewhere.

Tell me Tippy, who is this Weinstein fellow? Does he work for the government? Let's think this through together so we can determine whether you're being victimized.

woof

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#11 Aug 15, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Ok Tippy, now we're getting somewhere.
Tell me Tippy, who is this Weinstein fellow? Does he work for the government? Let's think this through together so we can determine whether you're being victimized.
woof
It wouldn't be a concern otherwise, would it, dumbarse?
You're welcome for another spoonfeeding session, drone.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/04/28...
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#12 Aug 15, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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It wouldn't be a concern otherwise, would it, dumbarse?
You're welcome for another spoonfeeding session, drone.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/04/28...
So, you don't understand do you, that there are critical differences between a consultant hired by a government agency to assist in setting policy and the government officials who hire him and actually set policy for the governmental agency, don't you?

You do understand that in order for the government to abridge Constitutional rights that there must be some actual specific conduct of the Government, not of a private citizen, right?

Beyond that, tell me exactly how the government is trampling upon the religious rights of Christians. Specifics, please. What have they done?

woof

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#13 Aug 15, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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So, you don't understand do you, that there are critical differences between a consultant hired by a government agency to assist in setting policy and the government officials who hire him and actually set policy for the governmental agency, don't you?
You do understand that in order for the government to abridge Constitutional rights that there must be some actual specific conduct of the Government, not of a private citizen, right?
Beyond that, tell me exactly how the government is trampling upon the religious rights of Christians. Specifics, please. What have they done?
woof
http://www.religiontoday.com/news/chaplains-p...
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#14 Aug 15, 2013
-tip- wrote:
Sounds to me as if the military is giving serious consideration to the realistic probability that some enlisted men and women probably didn't appreciate having the precepts of Christianity involuntarily imposed upon them when seeking spiritual guidance from military chaplains.

There's more than two sides to the story here Tippy. Those Chaplains are obligated to take orders too.

I read that entire article. I saw not one specific anecdotal example of anyone having their right to practice their own religion, whatever it may be, impermissibly or unconstitutionally infringed upon.

Freedom of religion is a much, much broader concept than the one or two way street you seem to believe it is.

The military seems to be acknowledging that fact, and taking measured steps to address it, in a process that is ongoing and evolving over time.

That doesn't translate into what you assert. Not at all.

When you give me examples of concrete, documented incidents that support your assertion, like for instance, a patient at Walter Reed having his Bible taken away, or being told that he cannot pray while on the grounds, or a soldier on the battle field being told the same, maybe then you'll be on to something.

Right now, you're just doing what Neil Young sang about in the chorus of "Ambulance Blues":



woof

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#15 Aug 15, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Sounds to me as if the military is giving serious consideration to the realistic probability that some enlisted men and women probably didn't appreciate having the precepts of Christianity involuntarily imposed upon them when seeking spiritual guidance from military chaplains.
There's more than two sides to the story here Tippy. Those Chaplains are obligated to take orders too.
I read that entire article. I saw not one specific anecdotal example of anyone having their right to practice their own religion, whatever it may be, impermissibly or unconstitutionally infringed upon.
Freedom of religion is a much, much broader concept than the one or two way street you seem to believe it is.
The military seems to be acknowledging that fact, and taking measured steps to address it, in a process that is ongoing and evolving over time.
That doesn't translate into what you assert. Not at all.
When you give me examples of concrete, documented incidents that support your assertion, like for instance, a patient at Walter Reed having his Bible taken away, or being told that he cannot pray while on the grounds, or a soldier on the battle field being told the same, maybe then you'll be on to something.
Right now, you're just doing what Neil Young sang about in the chorus of "Ambulance Blues":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =YdHdHy-RqcYXX
woof
How does a Major keeping a Bible in his desk "involuntarily impose [Christianity]" upon others? Funny that for 23 years...no one in the Pentagon had any problem with it.

How is an "Army Reserve training brief on hate groups [which] declares that evangelical Christians and Roman Catholics are extremists as dangerous as al Qaeda" and an "Army lieutenant colonel instruct[ing] his subordinates to recognize the 'religious right in America' as a domestic hate group like the KKK and Neo-Nazis" not an incendiary and unjust portrayal of evangelical Christians, Roman Catholics and other American religious conservatives?

What logic declares that an "Army master sergeant with 25 years of service [face] punishment for serving Chick-fil-A sandwiches at his promotion party"?

Why on earth would a "chaplain [be] called into his supervisor’s office and chewed out for closing a prayer with the words 'In Jesus’ name'”? Military chaplains have been offering such prayers since the inception of this nation. It's what chaplains do.

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Naturally, I expect you to have no answer to any of the above, since you have already failed to recognize these affronts to freedom of religion.
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#16 Aug 15, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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How does a Major keeping a Bible in his desk "involuntarily impose [Christianity]" upon others? Funny that for 23 years...no one in the Pentagon had any problem with it.
How is an "Army Reserve training brief on hate groups [which] declares that evangelical Christians and Roman Catholics are extremists as dangerous as al Qaeda" and an "Army lieutenant colonel instruct[ing] his subordinates to recognize the 'religious right in America' as a domestic hate group like the KKK and Neo-Nazis" not an incendiary and unjust portrayal of evangelical Christians, Roman Catholics and other American religious conservatives?
What logic declares that an "Army master sergeant with 25 years of service [face] punishment for serving Chick-fil-A sandwiches at his promotion party"?
Why on earth would a "chaplain [be] called into his supervisor’s office and chewed out for closing a prayer with the words 'In Jesus’ name'”? Military chaplains have been offering such prayers since the inception of this nation. It's what chaplains do.
***
Naturally, I expect you to have no answer to any of the above, since you have already failed to recognize these affronts to freedom of religion.
"Army Chaplains are expected to observe the distinctive doctrines of their faith while also honoring the right of others to observe their own faith. The Army is a pluralistic environment. Rabbis, Ministers, Imams and Priests serve our Soldiers with conviction and commitment. While serving their own faith groups in the Army, chaplains also ensure and provide the means for others to observe their own faith in accordance with US law and regulations."

That's why he was told not to end his prayer "In Jesus' name." I'm sure you would be fine with a chaplain ending a prayer in the name of Allah, right? I mean being the big supporter of religious freedom that you are.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#17 Aug 15, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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How does a Major keeping a Bible in his desk "involuntarily impose [Christianity]" upon others? Funny that for 23 years...no one in the Pentagon had any problem with it.
How is an "Army Reserve training brief on hate groups [which] declares that evangelical Christians and Roman Catholics are extremists as dangerous as al Qaeda" and an "Army lieutenant colonel instruct[ing] his subordinates to recognize the 'religious right in America' as a domestic hate group like the KKK and Neo-Nazis" not an incendiary and unjust portrayal of evangelical Christians, Roman Catholics and other American religious conservatives?
What logic declares that an "Army master sergeant with 25 years of service [face] punishment for serving Chick-fil-A sandwiches at his promotion party"?
Why on earth would a "chaplain [be] called into his supervisor’s office and chewed out for closing a prayer with the words 'In Jesus’ name'”? Military chaplains have been offering such prayers since the inception of this nation. It's what chaplains do.
***
Naturally, I expect you to have no answer to any of the above, since you have already failed to recognize these affronts to freedom of religion.
Answers to your queries:

1) I don't know, but common sense tells me that the chaplain did not get reprimanded merely for "keeping a bible in his desk". There's more to it than that.

2) No doubt, the assertion you have pasted once again is not the entire story. Find the actual document in question, post a link, and we'll discuss it.

3) The Chick-Fil-a party most likely took place around the time of the big blow up over gay rights a while back. The good sergeant likely did not find himself in good graces with his superiors for taking a stance that didn't comport with military policy.

4) Che already answered that one.

You just love drawing conclusions without supporting facts, don't you?

woof

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#18 Aug 15, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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"Army Chaplains are expected to observe the distinctive doctrines of their faith while also honoring the right of others to observe their own faith. The Army is a pluralistic environment. Rabbis, Ministers, Imams and Priests serve our Soldiers with conviction and commitment. While serving their own faith groups in the Army, chaplains also ensure and provide the means for others to observe their own faith in accordance with US law and regulations."
That's why he was told not to end his prayer "In Jesus' name." I'm sure you would be fine with a chaplain ending a prayer in the name of Allah, right? I mean being the big supporter of religious freedom that you are.
How does your version of pluralism account for the remainder of the affronts?

Diamond Eugene

Since: Jun 13

Hilliard, OH

#19 Aug 15, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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You just love drawing conclusions without supporting facts, don't you?
woof
Kind of like when you call Laura Bush a murderer, right?

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#20 Aug 15, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Answers to your queries:
1) I don't know, but common sense tells me that the chaplain did not get reprimanded merely for "keeping a bible in his desk". There's more to it than that.
2) No doubt, the assertion you have pasted once again is not the entire story. Find the actual document in question, post a link, and we'll discuss it.
3) The Chick-Fil-a party most likely took place around the time of the big blow up over gay rights a while back. The good sergeant likely did not find himself in good graces with his superiors for taking a stance that didn't comport with military policy.
4) Che already answered that one.
At the conclusion of your above speculations, you have the gall to ask:
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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You just love drawing conclusions without supporting facts, don't you?
Just ROFLMAO.

Continue to pretend that anyone on this forum takes you seriously.
Your pompous arse is immensely entertaining.

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