The Holocaust Just Got More Shocking

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“animis opibusque parati”

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#1 Mar 2, 2013
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/sunday-revi... ;

by Eric Lichtblau

THIRTEEN years ago, researchers at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum began the grim task of documenting all the ghettos, slave labor sites, concentration camps and killing factories that the Nazis set up throughout Europe.

What they have found so far has shocked even scholars steeped in the history of the Holocaust.

The researchers have cataloged some 42,500 Nazi ghettos and camps throughout Europe, spanning German-controlled areas from France to Russia and Germany itself, during Hitler’s reign of brutality from 1933 to 1945.

The figure is so staggering that even fellow Holocaust scholars had to make sure they had heard it correctly when the lead researchers previewed their findings at an academic forum in late January at the German Historical Institute in Washington....

...The numbers astound: 30,000 slave labor camps; 1,150 Jewish ghettos; 980 concentration camps; 1,000 prisoner-of-war camps; 500 brothels filled with sex slaves; and thousands of other camps used for euthanizing the elderly and infirm, performing forced abortions,“Germanizing” prisoners or transporting victims to killing centers.

In Berlin alone, researchers have documented some 3,000 camps and so-called Jew houses, while Hamburg held 1,300 sites.

Dr. Dean, a co-researcher, said the findings left no doubt in his mind that many German citizens, despite the frequent claims of ignorance after the war, must have known about the widespread existence of the Nazi camps at the time.

“You literally could not go anywhere in Germany without running into forced labor camps, P.O.W. camps, concentration camps,” he said.“They were everywhere.”
Barleycorn

Cincinnati, OH

#2 Mar 2, 2013
Why is the US taxpayer paying for a museum commemorating an event that did not happen in the US and did not happen to US citizens?

As a side note, the US put japanese americans in labor camps too during WWII, but there are no US museums dedicated to that event.

The power of taxpayer-paid propaganda is strong.

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#3 Mar 2, 2013
Barleycorn wrote:
Why is the US taxpayer paying for a museum commemorating an event that did not happen in the US and did not happen to US citizens?
As a side note, the US put japanese americans in labor camps too during WWII, but there are no US museums dedicated to that event.
The power of taxpayer-paid propaganda is strong.
http://www.nps.gov/manz/index.htm

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#4 Mar 2, 2013
Barleycorn wrote:
Why is the US taxpayer paying for a museum commemorating an event that did not happen in the US and did not happen to US citizens?
As a side note, the US put japanese americans in labor camps too during WWII, but there are no US museums dedicated to that event.
The power of taxpayer-paid propaganda is strong.
Your ignorance and idiocy are noted.

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#5 Mar 2, 2013
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03 /03/sunday-review/the-holocaus t-just-got-more-shocking.html? smid=tw-share&_r=1&
by Eric Lichtblau
THIRTEEN years ago, researchers at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum began the grim task of documenting all the ghettos, slave labor sites, concentration camps and killing factories that the Nazis set up throughout Europe.
What they have found so far has shocked even scholars steeped in the history of the Holocaust.
The researchers have cataloged some 42,500 Nazi ghettos and camps throughout Europe, spanning German-controlled areas from France to Russia and Germany itself, during Hitler’s reign of brutality from 1933 to 1945.
The figure is so staggering that even fellow Holocaust scholars had to make sure they had heard it correctly when the lead researchers previewed their findings at an academic forum in late January at the German Historical Institute in Washington....
...The numbers astound: 30,000 slave labor camps; 1,150 Jewish ghettos; 980 concentration camps; 1,000 prisoner-of-war camps; 500 brothels filled with sex slaves; and thousands of other camps used for euthanizing the elderly and infirm, performing forced abortions,“Germanizing” prisoners or transporting victims to killing centers.
In Berlin alone, researchers have documented some 3,000 camps and so-called Jew houses, while Hamburg held 1,300 sites.
Dr. Dean, a co-researcher, said the findings left no doubt in his mind that many German citizens, despite the frequent claims of ignorance after the war, must have known about the widespread existence of the Nazi camps at the time.
“You literally could not go anywhere in Germany without running into forced labor camps, P.O.W. camps, concentration camps,” he said.“They were everywhere.”
Thanks, tip.

I think that this speaks to the incredible power of denial. The closest comparison in my own experience is the number of white people who recall a time when they and their black neighbors all got along just fine and there was not prejudice and certainly no institutionalized racism.

There was a time in Columbus when social service agencies on the South Side, not to mention churches and so forth, were deeply segregated, either through practice, or frequently through actual policy. There were separate (and unequal) YMCA programs. There were two settlement houses where not only were programs for blacks and whites held on separate days, but the agencies themselves split along religious lines. These things are documented realities. There were further customs recounted by blacks that had to do with where one could live and where one could walk--particularly after dark.

Yet, in talking to many whites living there at the exact same time there is a tendancy to romanticize the ability of all to get along.

Similar sets of practices and policies have been documented within the Columbus City Schools prior to the deseg lawsuit. But there are still many who believe fervently that everything was just fine until some liberal folks implemented a social experiment in race-mixing.

Very interesting things to think on given the Voting Rights Act case currently before the Supreme Court and Justice Scalia's comment.

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#6 Mar 2, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Thanks, tip.
I think that this speaks to the incredible power of denial. The closest comparison in my own experience is the number of white people who recall a time when they and their black neighbors all got along just fine and there was not prejudice and certainly no institutionalized racism.
There was a time in Columbus when social service agencies on the South Side, not to mention churches and so forth, were deeply segregated, either through practice, or frequently through actual policy. There were separate (and unequal) YMCA programs. There were two settlement houses where not only were programs for blacks and whites held on separate days, but the agencies themselves split along religious lines. These things are documented realities. There were further customs recounted by blacks that had to do with where one could live and where one could walk--particularly after dark.
Yet, in talking to many whites living there at the exact same time there is a tendancy to romanticize the ability of all to get along.
Similar sets of practices and policies have been documented within the Columbus City Schools prior to the deseg lawsuit. But there are still many who believe fervently that everything was just fine until some liberal folks implemented a social experiment in race-mixing.
Very interesting things to think on given the Voting Rights Act case currently before the Supreme Court and Justice Scalia's comment.
It is utterly disgraceful for you to attempt any comparison between the Holocaust and U.S. race relations.

But...not surprising.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#7 Mar 2, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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It is utterly disgraceful for you to attempt any comparison between the Holocaust and U.S. race relations.
But...not surprising.
How, in your mind, is such a comparison "utterly disgraceful"? Both have their impetus in the same sort of thinking, no?

woof

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#8 Mar 2, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Thanks, tip.
I think that this speaks to the incredible power of denial. The closest comparison in my own experience is the number of white people who recall a time when they and their black neighbors all got along just fine and there was not prejudice and certainly no institutionalized racism.
There was a time in Columbus when social service agencies on the South Side, not to mention churches and so forth, were deeply segregated, either through practice, or frequently through actual policy. There were separate (and unequal) YMCA programs. There were two settlement houses where not only were programs for blacks and whites held on separate days, but the agencies themselves split along religious lines. These things are documented realities. There were further customs recounted by blacks that had to do with where one could live and where one could walk--particularly after dark.
Yet, in talking to many whites living there at the exact same time there is a tendancy to romanticize the ability of all to get along.
Similar sets of practices and policies have been documented within the Columbus City Schools prior to the deseg lawsuit. But there are still many who believe fervently that everything was just fine until some liberal folks implemented a social experiment in race-mixing.
Very interesting things to think on given the Voting Rights Act case currently before the Supreme Court and Justice Scalia's comment.
Scalia's right on the money. So was Roberts when he pointed out where the "real" problems possibly exist.

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#9 Mar 2, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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How, in your mind, is such a comparison "utterly disgraceful"? Both have their impetus in the same sort of thinking, no?
woof
Well, there's us.

And them.

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#10 Mar 2, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Scalia's right on the money. So was Roberts when he pointed out where the "real" problems possibly exist.
I hear that there were audible gasps in the courtroom when he said that.

Voting is not a special priviledge accorded by race.

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#11 Mar 2, 2013
Barleycorn wrote:
Why is the US taxpayer paying for a museum commemorating an event that did not happen in the US and did not happen to US citizens?
As a side note, the US put japanese americans in labor camps too during WWII, but there are no US museums dedicated to that event.
The power of taxpayer-paid propaganda is strong.
So we will never forget and understand it could happen here.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#12 Mar 2, 2013
What about the Holocaust of Russian Christians caused by Stalin following the Jewish anarchists who gave communism to the free world?
Obskeptic

Grand Blanc, MI

#13 Mar 2, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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It is utterly disgraceful for you to attempt any comparison between the Holocaust and U.S. race relations.
But...not surprising.
How about this one, and I'm serious about this question. Most american jews are liberal democrats and support democrat politics, including abortion. As we eclipse over four decades under Roe v. Wade of killing our unborn children, estimates as high as 54 million of them, why is it that American jews would support such a party? The Nazi's killed roughly 6 million jews and that was a holocaust. We as a country have killed 54 million of our unborn and we celebrate it and call it choice. You would think if anyone would care it would be jews.

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#14 Mar 2, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
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How about this one, and I'm serious about this question. Most american jews are liberal democrats and support democrat politics, including abortion. As we eclipse over four decades under Roe v. Wade of killing our unborn children, estimates as high as 54 million of them, why is it that American jews would support such a party? The Nazi's killed roughly 6 million jews and that was a holocaust. We as a country have killed 54 million of our unborn and we celebrate it and call it choice. You would think if anyone would care it would be jews.
Perhaps because they recognize the difference between abortion and the murder of actual people.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

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#15 Mar 2, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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I hear that there were audible gasps in the courtroom when he said that.
Voting is not a special priviledge accorded by race.
Tell that to Massachusetts...

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

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#16 Mar 2, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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Perhaps because they recognize the difference between abortion and the murder of actual people.
Hmmm....human brain activity measurable by EEG 12 weeks after conception.
I call that an "actual person."

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#19 Mar 2, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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Perhaps because they recognize the difference between abortion and the murder of actual people.
And the difference between forced and elected abortion.

Roe v Wade legalized abortion, making it the option of individuals not the state.

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#20 Mar 2, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Hmmm....human brain activity measurable by EEG 12 weeks after conception.
I call that an "actual person."
I don't. That basic brain activity, nothing higher level like thought, feeling, or perception.

A non-thinking, non-feeling, non-sensing, non-sentient organism is not a person.
seig hiel

Columbus, OH

#21 Mar 2, 2013
How bout...only 1000 more gallons of deisel fuel,and we would all be speakin german.weis macht....achtung,the day will rise,the nazi movement is very much alive.

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#22 Mar 2, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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And the difference between forced and elected abortion.
Roe v Wade legalized abortion, making it the option of individuals not the state.
Dear lord, woman. You are morally vacant.

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