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Drug testing politicians

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Apr 27, 2013
 
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And you guys pretend to care about civil liberties.
Private businesses. We know you hate them.

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Apr 27, 2013
 
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Management suspicion alone should have you peeing in a cup at least once every 15 minutes.
Are you aware how long substances remain detectable in urine?

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I feel that lawyers should be tested twice as many times as politicians should. They freak out about the prospect of testing, so they are obviously using.
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How pathetic, that free Americans would willingly submit to the humiliating indignity of drug testing, and then expect others to do so also.

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How pathetic, that free Americans would willingly submit to the humiliating indignity of drug testing, and then expect others to do so also.
Now we KNOW you're on welfare.

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-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>Now we KNOW you're on welfare.
That doesn't sound like classical Johnson, it sounds like Kosmik
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-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>Now we KNOW you're on welfare.
Yeah, welfare, says the guy who has time to post 1,000 times a week, plus God knows how many times on other forums.

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-The-Artist- wrote:
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An LDS Senator from Idaho was busted on DUI a few months ago.
Was disappointed when he didn't resign, but Craig set the legacy.
That's why I said "some Mormons", Einstein.

One thing I learned real well about religions, all sects, denominations, parishes, whatever Muslims unit is, and congregations have lots and lots of self-righteous hypocrites. Why would Congress be any different?

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Big Johnson wrote:
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Yeah, welfare, says the guy who has time to post 1,000 times a week, plus God knows how many times on other forums.
Nah, he's drawing a humongous paycheck from Topix.

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Nah, he's drawing a humongous paycheck from Topix.
Sure. It's all part of a huge conspiracy. George against the trolls. George fights trolls for Chris Tolles. Interesting theory there. How's the wife, Sterling?
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-The-Artist- wrote:
I feel that lawyers should be tested twice as many times as politicians should. They freak out about the prospect of testing, so they are obviously using.
What do you know about drug testing Karl?

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Civil liberties? We need to worry about those for our politicians, who have passed the laws requiring federal workers should pee in cups? Personally, I have no problem with it. Research what goes behind any federal worker or defense contractor obtaining a CAC and their employment conditions that go along with the various security levels. It's public knowledge.
Here's a start: http://www.opm.gov/Forms/pdf_fill/SF86.pdf
This is the information everyone applying for a security clearance job provides, it's directly from the US Office of Personnel Management. Intrusive much? But elected politicians at the federal level--are they required to go through background checks?
Exactly! If people knew what you go through to work for the federal government when you need clearances they wouldn't be complaining about civil liberties. If any federal worker can be forced to pee in a cup at any time then so should our elected officials.

Duke false positives are not all that common. Many places will do a second test immediately after the initial hit and place the person on paid leave while they wait for the 2nd test.

Not that I care what people do on their time off as long as they show up to work sober and ready to work I don't care. The federal government doesn't feel the same way so again our politicians create laws that they themselves are above and don't have to follow. That needs to stop.
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Exactly! If people knew what you go through to work for the federal government when you need clearances they wouldn't be complaining about civil liberties. If any federal worker can be forced to pee in a cup at any time then so should our elected officials.
Duke false positives are not all that common. Many places will do a second test immediately after the initial hit and place the person on paid leave while they wait for the 2nd test.
Not that I care what people do on their time off as long as they show up to work sober and ready to work I don't care. The federal government doesn't feel the same way so again our politicians create laws that they themselves are above and don't have to follow. That needs to stop.
False positives ARE common Doc. As I'm sure you know, the validity of the test is directly related to the type of testing performed.

Not all employers, or public agencies go to the trouble of sending out samples for confirmatory lab tests before running people through the mill, accusing them of using something illicit when perhaps they might not be.

When most people hear the phrase"drug testing" they have in their mind some infallible process akin to using a thermometer to check for a fever.

It just isn't that simple. Analyzing the presence of metabolites and drawing conclusions from them cannot be done with a "dip test".

You know what I'm talking about, I'm sure.

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False positives ARE common Doc. As I'm sure you know, the validity of the test is directly related to the type of testing performed.
Not all employers, or public agencies go to the trouble of sending out samples for confirmatory lab tests before running people through the mill, accusing them of using something illicit when perhaps they might not be.
When most people hear the phrase"drug testing" they have in their mind some infallible process akin to using a thermometer to check for a fever.
It just isn't that simple. Analyzing the presence of metabolites and drawing conclusions from them cannot be done with a "dip test".
You know what I'm talking about, I'm sure.
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Every piss test I've ever had done for an employer was sent out to a lab. Then again I work in healthcare. I know every urine test I've had to take they actually used the dye in the toilet to prevent tampering. So clearly we weren't talking about the same thing. When I say urine drug test I mean pee in a cup and it goes to the lab. Not some idiot taking a cup of urine and dipping a home urine test strip in it. Any place I've heard of that does the strip method as I said places the person who tests positive on a strip test on paid leave and they take another test which is usually done by a lab.
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<quoted text>Private businesses. We know you hate them.
Uh, what?
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Duke for Mayor wrote:
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False positives ARE common Doc. As I'm sure you know, the validity of the test is directly related to the type of testing performed.
Not all employers, or public agencies go to the trouble of sending out samples for confirmatory lab tests before running people through the mill, accusing them of using something illicit when perhaps they might not be.
When most people hear the phrase"drug testing" they have in their mind some infallible process akin to using a thermometer to check for a fever.
It just isn't that simple. Analyzing the presence of metabolites and drawing conclusions from them cannot be done with a "dip test".
You know what I'm talking about, I'm sure.
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No, not an infallible procedure. But generally a fairly accurate one. And as VAdoc pointed out, they can and will do another screen if one is thought to be a false positive.

When I had the last one done, nearly 18 months ago when I took the job I have now, I was asked to provide all prescribed medicines and their doses and to indicate any conditions that I have that would support such prescribed medicines. Nothing unusual for me that could trigger a false positive (Synthroid and Boniva).

Really Duke, you think anyone who is in a position of either making sensitive decisions and requires a clear thinking ability or who is in the position of having access to classified or protected information ought not to be able to demonstrate that they are capable of public trust? Again, there's no problem with it in the sense when one willingly submits to these tests to demonstrate their capability to be trustworthy individuals.
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No, not an infallible procedure. But generally a fairly accurate one. And as VAdoc pointed out, they can and will do another screen if one is thought to be a false positive.
When I had the last one done, nearly 18 months ago when I took the job I have now, I was asked to provide all prescribed medicines and their doses and to indicate any conditions that I have that would support such prescribed medicines. Nothing unusual for me that could trigger a false positive (Synthroid and Boniva).
Really Duke, you think anyone who is in a position of either making sensitive decisions and requires a clear thinking ability or who is in the position of having access to classified or protected information ought not to be able to demonstrate that they are capable of public trust? Again, there's no problem with it in the sense when one willingly submits to these tests to demonstrate their capability to be trustworthy individuals.
I didn't say that, did I?

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I didn't say that, did I?
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No, but I did elicit.

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Exactly! If people knew what you go through to work for the federal government when you need clearances they wouldn't be complaining about civil liberties. If any federal worker can be forced to pee in a cup at any time then so should our elected officials.
Duke false positives are not all that common. Many places will do a second test immediately after the initial hit and place the person on paid leave while they wait for the 2nd test.
Not that I care what people do on their time off as long as they show up to work sober and ready to work I don't care. The federal government doesn't feel the same way so again our politicians create laws that they themselves are above and don't have to follow. That needs to stop.
While I would certainly enjoy seeing the results from testing a number of public officials, I find the reasoning of "I have to do it, so should others," to be illogical. I did some background reading on the topic when I was working for and employer who suddenly decided to drug-test everyone. They had similar illogical reasons. A similar agency had just gone through a major public scandal with money being embezzled. Our director was looking for ways to divert any possible attention coming our way from funders and decided that this was a good way to do it.

What a number of legal-types who had looked into what drug tests can and cannot do were recommending that drug tests are primarily recommended in two situations. One is when there is actual danger to persons from impaired judgement--examples would be airline pilots, surgeons and other health care providers and so forth. The other is when and employee exhibits suspicious behavior.

Blanket work-place testing, despite being quite common (and providing business for a lot of labs), is not very effective or efficient. And that doesn't even take into account the civil liberties and privacy issues.

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