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anonymous

Uniontown, OH

#21 May 9, 2012
Its not a lame attempt at anti Judaism. To be honest I really could care less about Israel, judaism etc... I just feel that a holocaust museum does not belong in a state capital. The Holocaust did not happen in this country there are no reason outside of Kasich Kow towing to the Jewish lobby to put one there. However when someone disagrees with a Jew he or she will automatically be labeled as anti-Jewish and worse. Some of my relatives in Europe fought the Germans and were in the resistance during WW2 therefore I dont need any of your judgemental crap about my "lame attempt" at anti judaism. Most Europeans, including Germans want to forget about the war and go on with their lives. Why bring up horrors that happened over 70 years ago when most of us were not even born?
Life is Good

Lewis Center, OH

#22 May 10, 2012
The New Cool Warrior wrote:
What is the cultural or historical connection or relevance, between that unfortunate European event and the State of Ohio? Why can't our state representatives and Governor Kasich just say "NO!", and ignore the PC pyschobabble liberal white guilt of those old media 'hos? Are they so gutless and nutless, those annointed, appointed and elected folks so greedy and needy of Jewish money, support and votes? This memorial makes as much sense as a Civil War monument in Israel. Boohoo for the Jews: Mexicans, Moozlums and blacks don't wilt over Holocaust guilt; they try it on the rest of us over slavery, racism and the Alamo, with help from their pet media 'hos.
Just another thing Ohio wastes money on, instead of putting that money to help Ohioans!
The Deepest Claws

Leesburg, VA

#23 Jul 21, 2013
The claws of this will be deep. Because once you have the STATE giving land for such structures you run into two problems.

1) Other locations can be persuaded saying they're anti-semitic if they refuse to do the same. After all it's just a piece of land.

2) any place that decides to rezone that location runs into a huge legal battle with accusations of Anti-semitism if they decide to request it to be moved or taken away.

This works much like an Eruv.

an Eruv is a wire Jewish communities put around their communities on STATE owned property. Such as telephone poles, utility poles and street lights, etc.

THEN if the state or city plans any restructuring or cuts the line down it's considered a violation of their faith because without the Eruv they could be engaged in Sin, and the Eruv protects them from it.

So we have a separation of Church and State but watch carefully how this becomes the claws that latch on to every state and city building in such a way that it becomes impossible to get rid of.

This is equivalent to me asking you if you'd let me keep my dead grandmothers ashes in your living room. You feel bad and I say it's just an urn.

Then I show up a week later with her husband. Surely you can't be so evil that you would turn me away with my grandfather who lived next to her his whole life, sure you agree he must be on the mantle with her.

Then I say I'm coming over every wednesday after church to see her, soon I'm given a key. Then eventually I have friends coming over for my "morning" parties, whereby we drink and have fun. you find out I'm drinking your liquor or sodas. Surely you can't deny those who mourn her a drink, and you agree we can have drinks, soon we're eating your food.

Surely you can't invite us over and hold my grandmother away from us when we haven't eaten, we need something to eat once in a while.

And you let us eat, then....

We start sleeping there. It's just a religious thing, takes a week of prayers and after that I'm staying in your house indefinitely.

I'm saying this is the "Give an inch, take a foot, come back take another foot, then come back and take half a mile" kinda thing.

Why else would anyone want it on STATE property. And not BUY property to put it on.

I hope I'm wrong.

I hope I'm wrong.

Since: Jan 12

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#24 Jul 21, 2013
The Deepest Claws wrote:
The claws of this will be deep. Because once you have the STATE giving land for such structures you run into two problems.
1) Other locations can be persuaded saying they're anti-semitic if they refuse to do the same. After all it's just a piece of land.
2) any place that decides to rezone that location runs into a huge legal battle with accusations of Anti-semitism if they decide to request it to be moved or taken away.
This works much like an Eruv.
an Eruv is a wire Jewish communities put around their communities on STATE owned property. Such as telephone poles, utility poles and street lights, etc.
THEN if the state or city plans any restructuring or cuts the line down it's considered a violation of their faith because without the Eruv they could be engaged in Sin, and the Eruv protects them from it.
So we have a separation of Church and State but watch carefully how this becomes the claws that latch on to every state and city building in such a way that it becomes impossible to get rid of.
This is equivalent to me asking you if you'd let me keep my dead grandmothers ashes in your living room. You feel bad and I say it's just an urn.
Then I show up a week later with her husband. Surely you can't be so evil that you would turn me away with my grandfather who lived next to her his whole life, sure you agree he must be on the mantle with her.
Then I say I'm coming over every wednesday after church to see her, soon I'm given a key. Then eventually I have friends coming over for my "morning" parties, whereby we drink and have fun. you find out I'm drinking your liquor or sodas. Surely you can't deny those who mourn her a drink, and you agree we can have drinks, soon we're eating your food.
Surely you can't invite us over and hold my grandmother away from us when we haven't eaten, we need something to eat once in a while.
And you let us eat, then....
We start sleeping there. It's just a religious thing, takes a week of prayers and after that I'm staying in your house indefinitely.
I'm saying this is the "Give an inch, take a foot, come back take another foot, then come back and take half a mile" kinda thing.
Why else would anyone want it on STATE property. And not BUY property to put it on.
I hope I'm wrong.
I hope I'm wrong.
Bullsh%t
The Deepest Claws

Leesburg, VA

#25 Jul 21, 2013
Pr Jonah wrote:
<quoted text>
Bullsh%t
I'm sorry for having to correct your hasbara, but I think you meant "This guy is dead on with this chit"

Here's a case where it was a violation of religious freedom when it was cut down. so thanks for letting me make you an example of one that says it's not possible.

LAW.COM

Removal of Eruv Found Violative of Religious Freedom

By Charles ToutantContactAll Articles

New Jersey Law Journal

October 29, 2002

A town's use of a seldom-enforced ordinance prohibiting attachment of a symbolic religious boundary to utility poles may violate the First Amendment, the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Thursday. The judges reversed the denial of a preliminary injunction against Tenafly, N.J.'s removal of the boundary -- known as an "eruv" -- within which Orthodox Jews perform actions that would otherwise be prohibited on the Sabbath.

Read more: http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp...

OR THIS

"Montreal enclave, Hasidic residents fight 'turf war'
by Graeme Hamilton ("National Post," June 7, 2001)

The practice of eruv, a symbolic extension of the residences of Hasidic Jews so they can go outside the home on the Sabbath, is at the heart of a controversy in the Montreal neighbourhood of Outremont.

MONTREAL - A dispute over barely visible fishing line that Orthodox Jews say is vital to the practice of their religion landed in court yesterday as the city of Outremont argued it cannot allow the six-metre-high filament to cross public land.

Julius Grey, the lawyer representing five Hasidic Jews in the case, said his clients' right to freedom of religion, guaranteed under the Quebec and Canadian charters of rights, is regularly violated when municipal workers cut down the string, known as an eruv.

Eruv is a custom practised for thousands of years, according to documents filed in support of the court action.

What began as a Biblical edict forbidding any labour on the Sabbath was later elaborated to include carrying an object between an enclosed area and an open area. The eruv, then, creates a symbolic enclosure allowing strict observers of the Sabbath to lift and push things within the area."

http://wwrn.org/articles/3854/
The Deepest Claws

Leesburg, VA

#26 Jul 21, 2013
Pr Jonah wrote:
<quoted text>
It is a lie that Holocaust memorials do not apply to the non-Jewish victims of the Holocaust. It's your lame attempt at anti-Judaism.
Do me a favor. Please describe your analytical process for how you arrive at saying someone is anti-Jewish, or feeling an anti-Judaism.

By what criteria, by what methods, exactly what terms and how long does it usually take for you to make such an assessment.

Also please indicate what level of expert training and sociology you've been taught and the education system that taught you this method of making such rash determinations that lead to an accusation.

Surely you wouldn't say that without some sort of scientific criteria, or it just becomes your opinion. And then the whole term becomes useless.

“PLANET EARTH”

Since: Apr 10

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#27 Jul 21, 2013
There are Holocaust museums in Washington DC and Beachwood, Ohio.
In Beachwood, there is a large % of Jews, plus many temples in the area.
Also in the Beachwood area are many survivors of the Holocaust.(they are scattered throughout the country and world.)
I have encountered many, personally.

Most likely the Jews will contribute to the monument, as they are extremely generous.

My dad was in WWII, in Special Ops, who rescued the survivors of the death camps, when the war ended. To this day, he can't talk about it, so we don't. I'm sure the Holocaust has changed many soldiers life's forever. One can't forget the stench,the visual, the atrocities comiitted.

WWI, WWII, Korean War, Viet Nam, wars were in foreign lands, but we have memorials in Washington to commemorate the memories of those who lost their lives for us, for freedom.
In Europe, there are thousands of USA soldiers buried in cemeteries there.
All the boys didn't come home but we will always remember their service.
bosco

Columbus, OH

#28 Jul 21, 2013
Let us then build a Monument to the Wounded Knee Massacre or the Lives lost in the sinking of the Lusitania. Hey, how about a plaque in honor those men who perished aboard the Shenandoah Airship tragedy?

To what extent do we go? I believe a simple or annual proclamation by the Governor would suffice.

“PLANET EARTH”

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#29 Jul 22, 2013
bosco wrote:
Let us then build a Monument to the Wounded Knee Massacre or the Lives lost in the sinking of the Lusitania. Hey, how about a plaque in honor those men who perished aboard the Shenandoah Airship tragedy?
To what extent do we go? I believe a simple or annual proclamation by the Governor would suffice.
There ARE monuments to these tragedies.
Canu Feelme

Dayton, OH

#30 Jul 22, 2013
US taxpayer financed holocaust museums exist because victim cult politics reigns supreme in the US and Israel.

The majority of Americans and Israeli voters are victim cult members and devotees.
The Deepest Claws

Leesburg, VA

#31 Jul 22, 2013
BizzyBee wrote:
<quoted text>
There ARE monuments to these tragedies.
I think what this person means is let us build 38 of them throughout the country, and many others throughout the world.

Don't you think the world wants to hear about the genocide of the native americans?
bosco

Columbus, OH

#32 Jul 22, 2013
BizzyBee wrote:
<quoted text>
There ARE monuments to these tragedies.
At the Statehouse?

“PLANET EARTH”

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#33 Jul 22, 2013
bosco wrote:
<quoted text>At the Statehouse?
LOL!
No,around the country.
You're funny!

“PLANET EARTH”

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#34 Jul 22, 2013
The Deepest Claws wrote:
<quoted text>
I think what this person means is let us build 38 of them throughout the country, and many others throughout the world.
Don't you think the world wants to hear about the genocide of the native americans?
I know what you mean.
It sickens me what happened.
Talk about getting screwed.....
Icanfeel Uwe

Dayton, OH

#35 Jul 22, 2013
Canu Feelme wrote:
US taxpayer financed holocaust museums exist because victim cult politics reigns supreme in the US and Israel.
The majority of Americans and Israeli voters are victim cult members and devotees.
The biggest taxpayer financed holocaust museums are in Israel...

http://www.yadvashem.org/

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