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#190 Mar 14, 2013
martinezjosei wrote:
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Plus benefit and...
Job protection even if you kill someone, practically!
You do not put a price to job security but most accountants will tell you that you are wrong. Job security is a tangible asset with intrinsic value. So how much value does eternal job security has?
over $500,000 !!!
In our work on public sector pay, Jason Richwine and I have attempted to put a dollar value on the greater job security enjoyed by government employees, which acts as a free insurance policy against losing your job. Estimating the value of job security from the data is tough, however, for technical reasons outlined in our working paper on federal pay. Instead, we use an economic model, calibrated with a variety of data, to arrive at an estimate.
Our baseline result was that job security for federal government employees was equivalent to a 1.5 percent to 3 percent increase in pay.(There is some recent academic work cited in our paper showing that this may be an underestimate—a German survey found that individuals stated they would accept a more than 10 percent pay cut to receive public sector levels of job security.) Importantly, though, our baseline result assumes that federal employees who lost their jobs would, after a period of job-searching, find new employment at similar pay. However, our working paper also showed that federal workers receive a significant salary and benefits premium over similar private sector employees. This is where job security becomes particularly valuable, because it protects not only against lost income during unemployment but also against being forced into a lower paying job afterward. When this factor is accounted for, the value of job security rises to around 17 percent of pay.
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http://www.aei-ideas.org/2011/07/the-value-of...
Tranpsosition, Would you please add "job security" benefit to the other benefits?
Even with 1980s level Japanese job security, that's a terrible deal. City teaching for -40k a year, in a city with one of the highest cost of living indexes? With a MA? I cannot even begin to process this being able to bring in good talent, let alone keep it. Unless there are a larger pool of martyrs up there?

Given the cost of living and today's tuition prices, you could still be paying off an undergrad and MA 10, 15 years into this payscale. This is incredibly horrifying to me.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#191 Mar 14, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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But, RS, we know that you don't pay any income tax.
And just for the record, RS, I am not particularly into making fun of people with or without degrees. However, when someone starts to discount the value of my, or other people's intellect and education, then I think that they need to expect to place themselves honestly along the same scale.
At some point in my life, I may well earn a PhD. And I have no expectation that this accomplishment will make me rich, although it may boost my annual income a bit. Some folks study because they enjoy learning. Other people may very well enjoy other things.
There is a trap here that people seem to keep falling into that has to do with being smarter, richer, having more things. Frankly, I don't care how many times you or anyone else tries to put me down because I live in an inner-city neighborhood. It happens I like it there, and I love my house and I am pretty content with my life. I can also appreciate that among my neighbors there are others with fewer options who really long to be somewhere else.
Why is it so baffling that happiness and satisfaction are really not tied to having the most of anything, whether it is degrees, boats, houses or miles to commute every day?
personally I have move 11 time in my life.

safety and schools always started housing shopping process.

you are correct about happiness; and in 2008 I left everything to an ex-wife.

I had nothing but my car when I left. It was tough; but today I look at it as an investment in my future.

what is really baffling is how you think you are paying your fair share; and my taxes exceed your earnings and I am greedy?

Liberal math is I pay 60K collectively for taxes; and you 3k. I am cheating and greedy with less services than you.

The real funny thing is how you commie liberals spin lies, because I opened a separate LLC overseas that is not taxed by the USA. Keep laughing, as in my opinion the tax discrepancy between you and I has to have actions on my part to level the field.

mission accomplished.

you love living in the hood; and I like the Caribbean.

I have taste, you require many lessons.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#192 Mar 14, 2013
when are Chicago schools going to teach children to read; and perform basic math?

Columbus schools another perfect example.

after 12 years of public school, at a college they make you take a year of rudimentary classes to teach what you should have been taught in the prior 12 years. Over 50% of College Freshman flunk out first year.

in the 30 years since I graduated, the public school systems have effectively spent more per pupil to achieve less than half the accomplishment prior to the Department of Education being formed.

Can you say epic failure?
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#193 Mar 14, 2013
tranpsosition wrote:
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Even with 1980s level Japanese job security, that's a terrible deal. City teaching for -40k a year, in a city with one of the highest cost of living indexes? With a MA? I cannot even begin to process this being able to bring in good talent, let alone keep it. Unless there are a larger pool of martyrs up there?
Given the cost of living and today's tuition prices, you could still be paying off an undergrad and MA 10, 15 years into this payscale. This is incredibly horrifying to me.
when you take useless liberal arts degrees courses, you really are wasting money.

if you want to pay your student loan back as a teacher, the part time job you have during the 3 month teacher vacation time is the ticket to do so.

Talent? should we utilize factual data to discuss talent, or do you like dreaming about fantasy?
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#194 Mar 14, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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The people who are baffled by that concept are driven solely by fear.
woof
the only fear, is your gravy train being cut off.

now we understand your post better........desperation proven.
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#195 Mar 14, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
when are Chicago schools going to teach children to read; and perform basic math?
Columbus schools another perfect example.
after 12 years of public school, at a college they make you take a year of rudimentary classes to teach what you should have been taught in the prior 12 years. Over 50% of College Freshman flunk out first year.
in the 30 years since I graduated, the public school systems have effectively spent more per pupil to achieve less than half the accomplishment prior to the Department of Education being formed.
Can you say epic failure?
Do you think you could pass a college remedial English course?

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