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Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#1 Apr 25, 2013
Calif. bill would let non-citizens serve on juries

SACRAMENTO, Calif.(AP)-- The California Assembly passed a bill on Thursday that would make the state the first in the nation to allow non-citizens who are in the country legally to serve on jury duty.

Assemblyman Bob Wieckowski, D-Fremont, said his bill, AB1401, would help California widen the pool of prospective jurors and help integrate immigrants into the community.

It does not change other criteria for being eligible to serve on a jury, such as being at least 18, living in the county that is making the summons, and being proficient in English.

The bill passed 45-25 largely on a party-line vote in the Democratic-controlled Assembly and will move on to the Senate. One Democrat - Assemblyman Adam Gray, of Merced - voted no, while some other Democrats did not vote.

Democratic lawmakers who voted for the bill said there is no correlation between being a citizen and a juror, and they noted that there is no citizenship requirement to be an attorney or a judge. Republican lawmakers who opposed Wieckowski's bill called it misguided and premature.

Assemblywoman Diane Harkey, R-Dana Point, said there is no shortage of jurors.

"Jury selection is not the problem. The problem is trial court funding," Harkey said before the vote. "I hope we can focus on that. Let's not break something; it's not broken now. Let's not whittle away at what is reserved for U.S. citizens. There's a reason for it."

Wieckowski's office said the bill is the first of its kind in the nation and suggested that courts regularly struggle to find enough prospective jurors because jury duty is often seen as an inconvenience, if not a burden. His office did not cite any statistics but pointed to a 2003 legislative report that said numerous articles have noted high rates of non-participation.

A 2007 survey by the Center for Jury Studies said 20 percent of courts across the country reported a failure to respond or failure to appear rate of 15 percent or higher. The center is run by the National Center for State Courts, a Virginia-based nonprofit dedicated to improving court systems.

It's not clear, however, if that rate translates to a shortage of jurors in California.

Noting that women were once kept off juries, Assembly Speaker John Perez, D-Los Angeles, said the judicial system should be changed to allow a person to be judged by their peers.

"This isn't about affording someone who would come in as a juror something," Perez said. "But rather understanding that the importance of the jury selection process of affording justice to the person in that courtroom."

An estimated 10 million Californians are summoned for jury duty each year and about 4 million are eligible and available to serve, according to the Judicial Council, which administers the state's court system. About 3.2 million complete the service, meaning they waited in a courthouse assembly room or were placed on call.

In 2010-2011, the most recent year available, only about 165,000 people were sworn in as jurors.

The judicial branch has not taken a position on AB 1401.
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Since: Nov 11

Albakoikee

#2 Apr 26, 2013
So, how does the court system plan to contact them for jury duty?

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

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#3 Apr 26, 2013
Just give California to Mexico already.
And build the damned border fence.
VADoc

United States

#5 Apr 26, 2013
Wow so many of these folks probably don't speak English very well. How are they supposed to understand a trial well enough to help deliver a fair verdict? I can't wait to see convicted individuals file for mistrial because their jurors don't speak English.

Also if they pull from the license database that worries me that if an individual can be a non citizen and get a drivers license and possibly he here illegally then that's a problem.

It's all just a backdoor way to get citizenship. Watch the argument will be this person is illegal but they have paid taxes paid social security served on juries etc and say "they've done everything a normal citizen has done but don't get the reward of citizenship".

I call BS
Big Johnson

Columbus, OH

#6 Apr 26, 2013
VADoc wrote:
Wow so many of these folks probably don't speak English very well. How are they supposed to understand a trial well enough to help deliver a fair verdict? I can't wait to see convicted individuals file for mistrial because their jurors don't speak English.

I call BS
"It does not change other criteria for being eligible to serve on a jury, such as being at least 18, living in the county that is making the summons, and being proficient in English."

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#7 Apr 26, 2013
Big Johnson wrote:
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"It does not change other criteria for being eligible to serve on a jury, such as being at least 18, living in the county that is making the summons, and being proficient in English."
"Peers" by definition includes "citizenship."
SCOTUS will knock this down unanimously if it ever comes to fruition.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

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#9 Apr 26, 2013
-tip- wrote:
Just give California to Mexico already.
And build the damned border fence.
23 Latin Countries, California is our land for our people.

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Since: Aug 10

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#10 Apr 26, 2013
I'm not really sure why this would be a problem. I'm all for resident non-citizens voting in local elections as well. Getting folks engaged politically as they go through the (tedious) process seems like a win, all around.

Wish I could vote on some of the local issues. They're some of the most important, day to day and the easiest to see an impanct in.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#12 Apr 26, 2013
tranpsosition wrote:
I'm not really sure why this would be a problem. I'm all for resident non-citizens voting in local elections as well. Getting folks engaged politically as they go through the (tedious) process seems like a win, all around.
Wish I could vote on some of the local issues. They're some of the most important, day to day and the easiest to see an impanct in.
Become a UK citizen and your troubles are over. So are ours.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#13 Apr 26, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>"Peers" by definition includes "citizenship."
SCOTUS will knock this down unanimously if it ever comes to fruition.
Although you and I are both citizens, I sure don't consider you my peer.

woof

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#14 Apr 26, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Although you and I are both citizens, I sure don't consider you my peer.
woof
You shouldn't. You're my inferior.
VADoc

United States

#15 Apr 26, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>"Peers" by definition includes "citizenship."
SCOTUS will knock this down unanimously if it ever comes to fruition.
Exactly. And who is going to determine who is proficient in English?

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#16 Apr 26, 2013
VADoc wrote:
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Exactly. And who is going to determine who is proficient in English?
Charo.

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Since: Nov 11

Albakoikee

#17 Apr 26, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>"Peers" by definition includes "citizenship."
SCOTUS will knock this down unanimously if it ever comes to fruition.
Sadly, if they are forced to make a decision on immigration, it will take 5-7 years for a verdict, just like every other case they vote on.
The Truth

San Luis Obispo, CA

#18 Apr 26, 2013
This made me sick to see. In CA you can now be judged by someone who isn't even a US citizen. How CRAZY is this? This is absurd!

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#19 Apr 26, 2013
rowdy01 wrote:
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Sadly, if they are forced to make a decision on immigration, it will take 5-7 years for a verdict, just like every other case they vote on.
Plenty of time for the left to set up and threaten a justice or two (cough...John Roberts...cough)

Since: Dec 11

Middletown, OH

#20 Apr 26, 2013
That anyone would chime in and agree with the Kwazy Commifornians is just a pomp and show of the intellectual dearth of progs. To say it's OK for non citizens to vote and do jury duty????

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#21 Apr 26, 2013
The Truth wrote:
This made me sick to see. In CA you can now be judged by someone who isn't even a US citizen. How CRAZY is this? This is absurd!
It hasn't happened yet, just passed the Senate. I'm doubting even Jerry Brown would sign this.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#22 Apr 26, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>It hasn't happened yet, just passed the Senate. I'm doubting even Jerry Brown would sign this.
I fully expect that Abel Maldonado, Karl Rove's new golden boy, will endorse it, and say the GOP is "racist" if it doesn't back it.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#23 Apr 26, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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I fully expect that Abel Maldonado, Karl Rove's new golden boy, will endorse it, and say the GOP is "racist" if it doesn't back it.
With a surname like that, I'd expect no less. Hell, Rubio threw away any chance to be the nominee last week the same way.

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