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Anti-pollution plan: Ban idling | The Columbus Dispatch

There are 46 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Feb 5, 2010, titled Anti-pollution plan: Ban idling | The Columbus Dispatch. In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

As central Ohio faces tougher federal restrictions on smog, some are proposing that Columbus and its suburbs outlaw idling vehicles.

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For the record

United States

#23 Feb 5, 2010
Sue from Chillicothe wrote:
I was just wondering how you manage to get 19 pounds of CO2 and one pound of other pollutants form an eight pound gallon of gas. When I took general science the rule was " matter can not be created or destroyed" As for CO2 being a pollutant, I think we should tax all the hot air coming out of the mouths in Washington. I've never figured out how something we all breath out and is vital for the life of plants can be a pullutant.
Actually, the figures are quite correct, nothing is being created or destroyed. I think 8 pounds per gallon is the value for water, gasoline is probably less than 7 pounds. But, in order to burn one gallon of gasoline, over 100 pounds of air are required, with 20-some pounds of oxygen being consumed to form the CO2 and water vapor products of combustion.
Doug Caruso

Columbus, OH

#24 Feb 5, 2010
Sue from Chillicothe wrote:
I was just wondering how you manage to get 19 pounds of CO2 and one pound of other pollutants form an eight pound gallon of gas.
Hi Sue,
That's a question I asked when I saw that statistic, too. Someone who understands chemistry better than I do explained it to me: Combustion takes a mix of fuel and air, so there are two things going into the C02 produced when your car burns gasoline: Carbon from the gasoline and 2 atoms of Oxygen from the air. They combine to make a CO2 molecule heavier than the origial atom of carbon from the gasoline.
I hope that helps,
Doug

“So far left, I'm right”

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#25 Feb 5, 2010
Unrepentant Cynic wrote:
Let's make it a law you can only flush your toilet five times a day. One-hundred dollar fines for every extra flush. Why stop there?
Make it a law you can only change your underwear once a week.
Every Sunday we can get a nice clean pair of government issued whites for the week.
Think how much water that would save! All the water pollution we could eliminate.
Gee golly whiz!
It would really cut down on the sewer effluent and help the economy by getting plumbers some extra work which would increase the governments income tax receipts at the same time.
It's just common sense you know.
Think one thing doesn't lead to another?
You'd better think again.
Happy now?
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
slippery slope logical fallacy nonsense...that works for one-liner news pundits like glen beckkk but it should be used as a logical argument...oh wait, most faux news viewers actually swallow the crap those oneliners spew out so i guess it must be a solid debating tactic

“So far left, I'm right”

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#26 Feb 5, 2010
are people in this area such babies that they feel like they have to have their cars warm in the winter and cool in the summer? i thought you midwesterners were tough, surviving all those harsh ohio winters, then i moved here and found out you're a bunch of crybabies. stop parking in front of the grocery store because you just have to run inside, turn off the engine, and park
John Blutarsky

Columbus, OH

#27 Feb 5, 2010
For the record wrote:
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Actually, the figures are quite correct, nothing is being created or destroyed. I think 8 pounds per gallon is the value for water, gasoline is probably less than 7 pounds. But, in order to burn one gallon of gasoline, over 100 pounds of air are required, with 20-some pounds of oxygen being consumed to form the CO2 and water vapor products of combustion.
Holy crap, instead of polluting the atmosphere with carbon dioxide we had better pass a whole lot of laws in a hurry to force people to conserve oxygen. If it runs out we are all dead.

Better get Al Gore on this.
Penny

Reynoldsburg, OH

#28 Feb 5, 2010
The state is going so broke it is just desperate. They will find any way to screw you to make their screw ups seem not to look so bad. Kick them all out of office next election and start from scratch. First to go should be Celebreeze. He is probably an idler anyway, guilty of the new crime he wants to punish you for. He probably also texts while driving. All these politicians are two faced liars.
RETIRED OFFICER-------

Columbus, OH

#29 Feb 5, 2010
Dana wrote:
I'm all for this, but the article failed to point out that the #1 offenders are POLICE CARS. I constantly see them idling for hours on end. I hope the first tickets they write are to themselves.
You are absolutly correct. When an officer is away from the cruiser, there is no need or reason to have the engine running, UNLESS the light bar/emergency light is in operation. Don't let them feed you a bunch of baloney that it has to be running to provide power to the computer. I drove one for 30+ years, many of those with the computers in operation. EVERYTIME I left the cruiser, the engine was off and doors locked. Last summer I asked an officer when he walked out of a Meijer Store, why his crusier was idling in the No Parking Zone while he was inside, "Aren't you wasting gas and taking a chance it could be stolen"?(cruisers have been stolen many times.)His reply, "the doors are locked"! He then drove off. You can often find them idling in substation parking lots while the officers are inside doing whatever. If mothers with infants shut off their cars, officers can too, instead of keeping them running for the purpose of coming back to a heated/cooled vehicle for THEIR OWN COMFORT. Think of the gas money Cols.Police Dept. could save.
Read the story Jerk

Columbus, OH

#30 Feb 5, 2010
Penny wrote:
The state is going so broke it is just desperate. They will find any way to screw you to make their screw ups seem not to look so bad. Kick them all out of office next election and start from scratch. First to go should be Celebreeze. He is probably an idler anyway, guilty of the new crime he wants to punish you for. He probably also texts while driving. All these politicians are two faced liars.
David Celebrezze is not a public employee.
Pragmatist

Columbus, OH

#32 Feb 5, 2010
No more idle idling - great! All intersections now featuring any form of traffic control signal will have the more efficient round-a-bouts when?
T J G

Fredericksburg, VA

#33 Feb 5, 2010
Most of the negative comments show that oh so too many people are too lazy to think through their actions and how those actions impact themselves and the rest of us. They have learned that "freedom" only means falling back on immediate impulses. The issue of delivery vehicles, police cars,etc are real and must be studied in order to incorporate details into any such law. But an easier way to eliminate wasted fuel consumption would be to raise fuel tax by 50 cents or a dollar.
Really really

Columbus, OH

#34 Feb 5, 2010
This is ridiculous. These people obviously have nothing better to do. This dumb idea would do about as much for the environment as giving any one of them a raise and claiming they are assets to society would. Get real jobs....work like the rest of us. You might just have to buy a car that requires a little more idling.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#35 Feb 5, 2010
hodge_podge wrote:
<quoted text>
slippery slope logical fallacy nonsense...that works for one-liner news pundits like glen beckkk but it should be used as a logical argument...oh wait, most faux news viewers actually swallow the crap those oneliners spew out so i guess it must be a solid debating tactic
What we would have called slippery slope fallacies in the past though have been coming out more as truths though. Take for instance the claim that the Obama administration and Democrat-controled legislative branch would socialize the country. Pretty broad claim with people saying the government would take over this and that and the other. Before 2009 we would have cried slippery slope on those who said this would happen.

But let's think about the past year: Government takeover of (evil) banks; government takeover of (evil) car manufacturers; proposed government control of health care. I would say that given the past, we should be scared of what else the government might try to stick their hands in.

The great nation of the United States of America should not have to worry about what the government will try to control as we were founded on the principle, "of the people, by the people, and for the people."
Allen

Columbus, OH

#36 Feb 5, 2010
Chowder wrote:
<quoted text>
What we would have called slippery slope fallacies in the past though have been coming out more as truths though. Take for instance the claim that the Obama administration and Democrat-controled legislative branch would socialize the country. Pretty broad claim with people saying the government would take over this and that and the other. Before 2009 we would have cried slippery slope on those who said this would happen.
But let's think about the past year: Government takeover of (evil) banks; government takeover of (evil) car manufacturers; proposed government control of health care. I would say that given the past, we should be scared of what else the government might try to stick their hands in.
The great nation of the United States of America should not have to worry about what the government will try to control as we were founded on the principle, "of the people, by the people, and for the people."
BANKS

The government did not take over any banks, they only lent them money. It imposed some rules for banks that were lent money, but those that did not have any new rules or regulations imposed. Now that almost all the TARP money has been paid back, they have no more influence over the banks than they did before the financial crises.

AUTO INDUSTRY

The government did buy a majority share of ONE auto company, GM. It only did this to stop it from going under and taking many other manufacturing and dealerships with it. They will sell it as soon as they can get back what we paid for it. Also, they have no direct control of the company, GM's board has all the control over the operations of the company.
The government only helped facilitate the sale of Chrysler to Fiat. Which was better than letting it go under. Ford took no money and the government has had no influence over anything they have done.

HEALTH CARE

The proposed health care legislation is far from a take over. This is going to take longer than I have to get into, but here is something to think about. I think we all agree that lobbyists have too much influence over what comes out of congress. Do you really think any part of the health care industry would have endorsed, or even allowed to get as far as it has in congress, if the legislation were even close to a government takeover? Not a chance.

As Hodge Podge said, all these socialism accusations are just talking points for right wing pundits and representatives. And people seem to eat it up so they continue making these claims. I just hope something happens and people realize this.
reginaldL

Choctaw, OK

#37 Feb 7, 2010
Awesome! More Progressive ideas to control people! I sure hope the taxpayers are keeping these human regulators in good pay.
AZ_Federalist

Tucson, AZ

#38 Feb 7, 2010
David Celebrezze wrote:
I encourage folks to check out our fuel conservation fact sheet and website for the template we are using:
http://www.theoec.org/PDFs/FactSheets/FactShe...
This document has the formula for coming up with the fuel savings....
We are also meeting with community groups to get their input.
http://www.theoec.org/AirDiesel.htm
Oh, well since you have produced a "fact sheet", then it must all be correct. After all, nobody would make up something and then publish it in a "fact sheet". Kinda reminds me of Charlie Brown and his "signed document" guaranteeing him that he would be able to kick the football.

Heaven save us from do-gooders!
WTFOver

Delaware, OH

#39 Feb 7, 2010
So this is the kind of petty B.S. that our officials worry about. Really? Something tells me that very few people actually start their cars and let them idle for more than 5 minutes anyway. So now our elected leaders are going to waste time hashing out a law that will solve a problem that does not exist. Sounds familiar. Another waste of my tax dollars. We need to wake up and smack these idiots a reality slap. Do what we ask you to do. Nothing more. And stay out of our business.
WTFOver

Delaware, OH

#40 Feb 7, 2010
Oh and David Celebrezze....Go suck a friggin egg you tool. Take your fact sheets and shove it up your arse.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#41 Feb 9, 2010
Allen wrote:
<quoted text>
BANKS
The government did not take over any banks, they only lent them money. It imposed some rules for banks that were lent money, but those that did not have any new rules or regulations imposed. Now that almost all the TARP money has been paid back, they have no more influence over the banks than they did before the financial crises.
AUTO INDUSTRY
The government did buy a majority share of ONE auto company, GM. It only did this to stop it from going under and taking many other manufacturing and dealerships with it. They will sell it as soon as they can get back what we paid for it. Also, they have no direct control of the company, GM's board has all the control over the operations of the company.
The government only helped facilitate the sale of Chrysler to Fiat. Which was better than letting it go under. Ford took no money and the government has had no influence over anything they have done.
HEALTH CARE
The proposed health care legislation is far from a take over. This is going to take longer than I have to get into, but here is something to think about. I think we all agree that lobbyists have too much influence over what comes out of congress. Do you really think any part of the health care industry would have endorsed, or even allowed to get as far as it has in congress, if the legislation were even close to a government takeover? Not a chance.
As Hodge Podge said, all these socialism accusations are just talking points for right wing pundits and representatives. And people seem to eat it up so they continue making these claims. I just hope something happens and people realize this.
Call it what you want, the government should not have its hands in giving out money in a capitalist economy (as flawed as it may be). Now the government wants to tell us when we can and cannot turn on our cars? The government needs to be a little more lessez faire on some of its decisions.
Jeff Jackson

United States

#42 Feb 9, 2010
How many tons of CO2 are emitted by the non stop rants of the dooms-day prophets, the tree huggers, and the Sierra Club since they never shut their mouths in their constant bid to get more funding. The full article said this will effect 66k small businesses in Ohio who most likely can't afford the required ridiculous equipment, figure 5 employees each, that is 330,000 more jobs that will be lost. WAY TO GO IDIOTS
Jeff Jackson

United States

#43 Feb 9, 2010
OOOPS, I posted on the wrong thread above, forgive me, that was meant for the clean air scrubber article for every mechanical garage and small business ruling.....not that this is any more sane.

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