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Agreement reached on future of Jesus portrait in Jackson schools

There are 134 comments on the The Columbus Dispatch story from Jul 12, 2013, titled Agreement reached on future of Jesus portrait in Jackson schools. In it, The Columbus Dispatch reports that:

The controversy over a portrait of Jesus that hung for decades in a southern Ohio high school apparently didn't end in April when the district took the portrait down.

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“animis opibusque parati”

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#123 Aug 1, 2013
Noevidence wrote:
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Not really considering a lot of it has at least a few firsthand accounts, graves, remains of a person, descendants, and whatnot.
We live in the 21st century. If I'm going to write about the Wright brothers I can because we have a physical gravesite to visit, surviving family to ask questions of, newspaper articles while they were alive, pictures of them, and the plane itself.
We only have stories (and very contradictory ones at that) of a man named jesus that were written after his supposed death. Not enough evidence to support his existance. I suppose Hercules could be real though if you only go by that standard.
Historians and archaeologists disagree with your viewpoint.

The Bible passes with flying colors the internal, external and bibliographic tests for ancient texts. It is supported by 24,000+ different copies, the earliest of which was written a mere 25 years after the original. Consider that Cornelius Tacitus' Annals is considered an accurate account of the 1st century Roman Empire...when only 20 copies exist, the earliest of which was written 1,000 years after the original.

Note also the works of Sophocles have 193 different copies for comparison -- and that amount reflects one of the highest numbers of copies you will see in regard to other ancient texts. Yet, amazingly, the earliest of these was written 1,400 years after the original.

There is more historical and archaeological evidence to support the Bible than any other historical text, and it remains the #1 best-selling book of all time.

It's just hard for atheists to accept those facts.

"...it may be safely said that no other work of antiquity has been so accurately transmitted."

-- William Green

Both history and archaeology prove Jesus' existence and death.
The revered historian Josephus even referenced Jesus' resurrection.

The Bible, as a set of ancient manuscripts, is considered the gold standard when it comes to preservation. As such, there is every reason to believe the words contained therein.

When an average citizen dies, the world does not long remember him.
In fact, only his family and close friends do.

The execution of a 33-year-old Jewish carpenter from a tiny town in ancient Israel, however, has impacted the entire world from the 1st to the 21st century.
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#124 Aug 1, 2013
I believe that there was a real person named Jesus of Nazareth that was likely a rabbi in the area that the time, and probably taught the things we see expressed in the Gospels.

There is enough anecdotal evidence to make such a belief reasonable, but at the same time, there is little in the way of direct proof of his existence.

People can choose to believe what they like, but you have to acknowledge that the vast majority of this anecdotal evidence is hearsay or even double hearsay.

So it is just as reasonable for someone to NOT believe it as well.

We will probably never know for sure, and anyone that claims proof one way or the other is seriously overreaching.
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#125 Aug 1, 2013
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Aside from the four GOSPEL accounts of Christ's life, written by His colleagues, we have secular historical record, as follows:
CORNELIUS TACITUS
Tacitus lived from A.D. 55 to A.D. 120. He was a Roman historian and has been described as the greatest historian of Rome, noted for his integrity and moral uprightness. His most famous works are the Annals and the Histories. The Annals relate the historical narrative from Augustus’ death in A.D.14 to Nero’s death in A.D. 68. The Histories begin their narrative after Nero’s death and finish with Domitian’s death in A.D. 96. In his section describing Nero’s decision to blame the fire of Rome on the Christians, Tacitus affirms that the founder of Christianity, a man he calls Chrestus (a common misspelling of Christ, which was Jesus’ surname), was executed by Pilate, the procurator of Judea during the reign of the Roman emperor Tiberias. Tacitus was hostile to Christianity because in the same paragraph he describes Christus’ or Christ’s death, he describes Christianity as a pernicious superstition. It would have therefore been in his interests to declare that Jesus had never existed, but he did not, and perhaps he did not because he could not without betraying the historical record.
LUCIAN OF SAMOSATA
Lucian was a Greek satirist of the latter half of the second century. He therefore lived within two hundred years of Jesus. Lucian was hostile to Christianity and openly mocked it. He particularly objected to the fact that Christians worshipped a man. He does not mention Jesus’ name, but the reference to the man Christians worship is a reference to Jesus.
SUETONIUS
Suetonius was a Roman historian and a court official in Emperor Hadrian’s government. In his Life of Claudius he refers to Claudius expelling Jews from Rome on account of their activities on behalf of a man Suetonius calls Chrestus [another misspelling of Christus or Christ].
PLINY THE YOUNGER
Pliny was the Governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor (AD. 112). He was responsible for executing Christians for not worshipping or bowing down to a statue of the emperor Trajan. In a letter to the emperor Trajan, he describes how the people on trial for being Christians would describe how they sang songs to Christ because he was a god.
THALLUS and PHLEGON
Both were ancient historians and both confirmed the fact that the land went dark when Jesus was crucified. This parallels what the Bible said happened when Jesus died.
MARA BAR-SERAPION
Some time after 70 A.D., Mara Bar-Sarapion, who was probably a Stoic philosopher, wrote a letter to his son in which he describes how the Jews executed their King. Claiming to be a king was one of the charges the religious authorities used to scare Pontius Pilate into agreeing to execute Jesus.
JOSEPHUS
Josephus was a Jewish historian who was born in either 37 or 38 AD and died some time after 100 AD. He wrote the Jewish Antiquites and in one famous passage described Jesus as a wise man, a doer of wonderful works and calls him the Christ. He also affirmed that Jesus was executed by Pilate and actually rose from the dead!
Just think how many more people have seen Bigfoot.

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#126 Aug 1, 2013
Noevidence wrote:
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http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/...
This story actually shows why this is a ridiculous argument to support the existance of jesus.
I would suggest a reading comprehension refresher course.
The article suggests the exact opposite.
Noevidence

United States

#127 Aug 1, 2013
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I would suggest a reading comprehension refresher course.
The article suggests the exact opposite.
So you believe in zues now do you? That was easy.
Noevidence

United States

#128 Aug 1, 2013
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Historians and archaeologists disagree with your viewpoint.
The Bible passes with flying colors the internal, external and bibliographic tests for ancient texts. It is supported by 24,000+ different copies, the earliest of which was written a mere 25 years after the original. Consider that Cornelius Tacitus' Annals is considered an accurate account of the 1st century Roman Empire...when only 20 copies exist, the earliest of which was written 1,000 years after the original.
Note also the works of Sophocles have 193 different copies for comparison -- and that amount reflects one of the highest numbers of copies you will see in regard to other ancient texts. Yet, amazingly, the earliest of these was written 1,400 years after the original.
There is more historical and archaeological evidence to support the Bible than any other historical text, and it remains the #1 best-selling book of all time.
It's just hard for atheists to accept those facts.
"...it may be safely said that no other work of antiquity has been so accurately transmitted."
-- William Green
Both history and archaeology prove Jesus' existence and death.
The revered historian Josephus even referenced Jesus' resurrection.
The Bible, as a set of ancient manuscripts, is considered the gold standard when it comes to preservation. As such, there is every reason to believe the words contained therein.
When an average citizen dies, the world does not long remember him.
In fact, only his family and close friends do.
The execution of a 33-year-old Jewish carpenter from a tiny town in ancient Israel, however, has impacted the entire world from the 1st to the 21st century.
Lmfao the bible passes with flying colors. That's rich.
There is more historical and archaeological evidence to support the Bible than any other historical text, and it remains the #1 best-selling book of all time.
Really? Because so far every historical and archeological discovery has proven the bible wrong. Noah's ark has been found like what, 40 times now? The shroud of Turin has already been discredited as well. Best selling book of all time? That's because twilight just came out within the decade. Give it a hundred years.

The Bible, as a set of ancient manuscripts, is considered the gold standard when it comes to preservation. As such, there is every reason to believe the words contained therein.
Talking donkeys and time travel exist now huh?
So Joseph went with pregnant Mary to Bethlehem because of the census ordered by Caesar in the time that Publius Quirinius was Governor of Syria (according to Luke 2:1-2)
Subsequently, when Jesus was born King Herod was made aware of his birth and he ordered the slaughter of boys under 2.(according to Matthew 2: 1-16)
Herod died 27th November 4 BC. Quirinius did not take office as Governor of Syria and Judea until 6 A.D.
So apparently, Joseph travelled to Bethlehem in 6 AD following the census order. Jesus was born and then Herod, who had been dead for over 10 years, time traveled forward from when he was alive to a point 11 years after his own death to order the "slaughter of the innocents".
Makes perfect sense.

I think the Romanian had the best idea of pulping 30000 bibles for toilet paper. Much better usage of the trees.
Noevidence

United States

#129 Aug 1, 2013
Strel wrote:
I believe that there was a real person named Jesus of Nazareth that was likely a rabbi in the area that the time, and probably taught the things we see expressed in the Gospels.
There is enough anecdotal evidence to make such a belief reasonable, but at the same time, there is little in the way of direct proof of his existence.
People can choose to believe what they like, but you have to acknowledge that the vast majority of this anecdotal evidence is hearsay or even double hearsay.
So it is just as reasonable for someone to NOT believe it as well.
We will probably never know for sure, and anyone that claims proof one way or the other is seriously overreaching.
It's more likely that jesus is just a bunch of political and religious figures thrown into the same character. It explains all of the inconsistent stories throughout the bible of jesus and makes it unlikely that they made it all up from scratch considering they would have had far less inaccuracies and contradictions that way.
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#130 Aug 1, 2013
Noevidence wrote:
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It's more likely that jesus is just a bunch of political and religious figures thrown into the same character. It explains all of the inconsistent stories throughout the bible of jesus and makes it unlikely that they made it all up from scratch considering they would have had far less inaccuracies and contradictions that way.
Could be an amalgam. It's too bad the best evidence we have is ex post facto.

But try telling that to your local Biblical literalist.

You blasphemer you.

I think those kind of people really ought to pay more attention to the lesson taught by "Jesus," which are good and worthy lessons to live by, than trying to argue about the literal existence of such a person. To me, it doesn't really matter whether Jesus literally existed or not. Worrying about that is really missing the point...

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#131 Aug 1, 2013
Noevidence wrote:
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So you believe in zues now do you? That was easy.
Not a deep thinker, eh? Failed Philosophy 101?

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#132 Aug 1, 2013
Noevidence wrote:
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Lmfao the bible passes with flying colors. That's rich.
There is more historical and archaeological evidence to support the Bible than any other historical text, and it remains the #1 best-selling book of all time.
Really? Because so far every historical and archeological discovery has proven the bible wrong. Noah's ark has been found like what, 40 times now? The shroud of Turin has already been discredited as well. Best selling book of all time? That's because twilight just came out within the decade. Give it a hundred years.
The Bible, as a set of ancient manuscripts, is considered the gold standard when it comes to preservation. As such, there is every reason to believe the words contained therein.
Talking donkeys and time travel exist now huh?
So Joseph went with pregnant Mary to Bethlehem because of the census ordered by Caesar in the time that Publius Quirinius was Governor of Syria (according to Luke 2:1-2)
Subsequently, when Jesus was born King Herod was made aware of his birth and he ordered the slaughter of boys under 2.(according to Matthew 2: 1-16)
Herod died 27th November 4 BC. Quirinius did not take office as Governor of Syria and Judea until 6 A.D.
So apparently, Joseph travelled to Bethlehem in 6 AD following the census order. Jesus was born and then Herod, who had been dead for over 10 years, time traveled forward from when he was alive to a point 11 years after his own death to order the "slaughter of the innocents".
Makes perfect sense.
I think the Romanian had the best idea of pulping 30000 bibles for toilet paper. Much better usage of the trees.
Obviously, you failed Theology as well.

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#133 Aug 1, 2013
Noevidence wrote:
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It's more likely that jesus is just a bunch of political and religious figures thrown into the same character. It explains all of the inconsistent stories throughout the bible of jesus and makes it unlikely that they made it all up from scratch considering they would have had far less inaccuracies and contradictions that way.
Any so-called "inaccuracies" within the Gospel accounts relate to the fact that four distinct individuals were recording events that they witnessed. Ask any cop or juror about alleged discrepancies in multiple and repeated eyewitness accounts. Every human sees things from a unique perspective, and sometimes fails to record certain details that are later recalled. That the Gospels mesh almost seemlessly is a miracle in itself.

You don't want to believe. I get it.

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#134 Aug 1, 2013
edit: "seamlessly"

Sorry...long day.
Noevidence

Ravenswood, WV

#135 Aug 1, 2013
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Any so-called "inaccuracies" within the Gospel accounts relate to the fact that four distinct individuals were recording events that they witnessed. Ask any cop or juror about alleged discrepancies in multiple and repeated eyewitness accounts. Every human sees things from a unique perspective, and sometimes fails to record certain details that are later recalled. That the Gospels mesh almost seemlessly is a miracle in itself.
You don't want to believe. I get it.
I pooped a little laughing at this.
Ill let James randi take it away.
http://youtu.be/gt4pTTCjDZc

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#136 Aug 1, 2013
Noevidence wrote:
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I pooped a little laughing at this.
Ill let James randi take it away.
http://youtu.be/gt4pTTCjDZc
As a compassionate conservative, I urge you to seek professional help.

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