Agreement reached on future of Jesus portrait in Jackson schools

Jul 12, 2013 Full story: The Columbus Dispatch 134

The controversy over a portrait of Jesus that hung for decades in a southern Ohio high school apparently didn't end in April when the district took the portrait down.

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“I am the great an powerful Ny!”

Since: Dec 06

Lebanon, PA

#42 Jul 19, 2013
Leather and Lace wrote:
<quoted text>Read slowly. OUR county was FOUNDED on religious PRINCIPALS.principals get it??? I didn't think so.

principal (&#712;pr&#618;ns& #618;p &#601; l)
— adj
1. first in importance, rank, value, etc; chief
Wow, that's the first I've heard this argument. But, let's see what John Adams had to say about that:

The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.

So, I think I know what you mean by religious "principals" but it would seem that even if the men in charge were all solid Christians they didn't bother conferring with their god during the creation of the country. They used reason, not religious influence.
Leather and Lace

Waverly, OH

#43 Jul 19, 2013
They used religion a lot they came here for freedom so they could worship where and how they wanted that they couldn't do where they came from. Of course the atheist have screwed all that around to fit their sick agenda. History proves they were very religious had prayers, church, etc. History proves it. You can't erase History.

“I am the great an powerful Ny!”

Since: Dec 06

Lebanon, PA

#44 Jul 19, 2013
Leather and Lace wrote:
They used religion a lot they came here for freedom so they could worship where and how they wanted that they couldn't do where they came from. Of course the atheist have screwed all that around to fit their sick agenda. History proves they were very religious had prayers, church, etc. History proves it. You can't erase History.
So, again, you back up my claims! They came here for religious freedom, to be able to worship as they please. The Constitution was built as a secular document guaranteeing a right to separation of church and state so that people could worship as they wanted. Exactly what are you trying to argue against here?

From Thomas Jefferson autobiography:
The bill for establishing religious freedom, the principles of which had, to a certain degree, been enacted before, I had drawn in all the latitude of reason and right. It still met with opposition; but, with some mutilations in the preamble, it was finally passed; and a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read, "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination.

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#45 Jul 19, 2013
Leather and Lace

Waverly, OH

#46 Jul 19, 2013
The founders were religious men. Nuff said

“I am the great an powerful Ny!”

Since: Dec 06

Lebanon, PA

#47 Jul 19, 2013
Leather and Lace wrote:
The founders were religious men. Nuff said
So you go from saying our country was founded on religious "principals" (no matter what you posted in regard to the definition of this it was obvious your were referring to the word principle just by looking at the entire post) to saying they were "religious men" when you couldn't come up with anything to support your claim. Way to change the topic. Still waiting on evidence for the first claim.

I'll close by giving yet more quotes from some of the founders, this time regarding their religious beliefs:
"We have abundant reason to rejoice that in this Land the light of truth and reason has triumphed over the power of bigotry and superstition ... In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a man's religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States." -- George Washington (letter to the members of the New Church in Baltimore, January 27, 1793

"I wish Christianity were more productive of good works ... I mean real good works ... not holy-day keeping, sermon-hearing ... or making long prayers, filled with flatteries and compliments despised by wise men, and much less capable of pleasing the Deity." – Benjamin Franklin

"The question before the human race is, whether the God of Nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious [doctrine claiming] miracles?" – John Adams

"Experience witnesses that ecclesiastical establishments, instead of maintaining the purity and efficacy of religion, have had a contrary operation. During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." – James Madison

"The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills." --- Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

...and one from Lincoln regarding the divinity of the stories in the Bible...

"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger with advancing years..." – Abraham Lincoln, 1862
Leather and Lace

Ashburn, VA

#48 Jul 19, 2013
You know what? For every copy and paste you do there are that many to refute them too. You know the truth. Why do you try to hide it?

“I am the great an powerful Ny!”

Since: Dec 06

Lebanon, PA

#49 Jul 19, 2013
Leather and Lace wrote:
You know what? For every copy and paste you do there are that many to refute them too. You know the truth. Why do you try to hide it?
Yet, you haven't produced one. All of your huffing and puffing has resulted in not one single shred of evidence for your case. You told me to do my own research (like you actually did any) and I showed you quote after quote from the founding fathers that expresses their beliefs and opinions. Are you telling me you have quotes from these same people refuting their own opinions? Seriously, that's just plain stupid. Let me know when you want to have an actual discussion. I'll be on vacation for a week so I might not be able to get on the forums at all.

Do you think you could come up with one lousy piece of evidence to support your argument? Be careful, because I may just refute whatever misquote you dredge up from the bottom of the internet.
Leather and Lace

Waverly, OH

#50 Jul 19, 2013
Are you denying they were religious?

“I am the great an powerful Ny!”

Since: Dec 06

Lebanon, PA

#52 Jul 23, 2013
Leather and Lace wrote:
Are you denying they were religious?
That wasn't the discussion. Since you seem incapable or unwilling of showing evidence regarding the founding of the Constitution being influenced by the Bible and instead try to change the subject I think it can rightfully be said you have none.
Leather and Lace

Ashburn, VA

#53 Jul 23, 2013
llDayo wrote:
<quoted text>
That wasn't the discussion. Since you seem incapable or unwilling of showing evidence regarding the founding of the Constitution being influenced by the Bible and instead try to change the subject I think it can rightfully be said you have none.
but Yes it has been part of the discussion for example how ignorant atheists are.
Haha

United States

#54 Jul 23, 2013
Leather and Lace wrote:
<quoted text>but Yes it has been part of the discussion for example how ignorant atheists are.
We're not the ones who believe people came from a clump of dirt.
Conservative

Springfield, OH

#55 Jul 23, 2013
Cujo wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you hate the constitution? Why do you think Christians have a right to break constitutional law?
What law did they break? If you are referring to separation of Church and State, it doesn't exist.

“How dismal it is to see present day Americans yearning for the very orthodoxy that their country was founded to escape.”
&#8213; Christopher Hitchens
Haha

United States

#56 Jul 23, 2013
Conservative wrote:
<quoted text>
What law did they break? If you are referring to separation of Church and State, it doesn't exist.
“How dismal it is to see present day Americans yearning for the very orthodoxy that their country was founded to escape.”
&#8213; Christopher Hitchens
Your quote doesn't match your name.
Thinker

Ashburn, VA

#57 Jul 23, 2013
Haha wrote:
<quoted text>
We're not the ones who believe people came from a clump of dirt.
lmao you are silly
Cujo

Regina, Canada

#58 Jul 24, 2013
Conservative wrote:
<quoted text>
What law did they break? If you are referring to separation of Church and State, it doesn't exist.
“How dismal it is to see present day Americans yearning for the very orthodoxy that their country was founded to escape.”
&#8213; Christopher Hitchens
If they didn't break any constitutional laws, then why did they agree to take the picture down, to avoid court? Are you dense? Your interpretation of the 1st amendment is different than the highest courts, this makes you wrong, and separation of church and state does indeed exist.

Do you even understand what Hitchen's is saying? Based on your 1st comment, I don't think you do, which would explain your ignorance on interpreting constitutional law.
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#59 Jul 25, 2013
Leather and Lace wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks to the ACLU and FFRF and poor little butt hurt Atheists. This country is in sad shape and we will all pay the price, and our children will suffer immensely for it.
Please explain how there is a direct correlation between the ACLU upholding the Establishment clause and the country being in "sad shape."

Also, define "sad shape" and provide evidence thereof.

Thank you in advance.
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#60 Jul 25, 2013
Leather and Lace wrote:
<quoted text>Read slowly. OUR county was FOUNDED on religious PRINCIPALS.principals get it??? I didn't think so.
You really are bad at this.
Leather and Lace

Ashburn, VA

#61 Jul 25, 2013
Leather and Lace

Ashburn, VA

#62 Jul 25, 2013

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