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Some Muslims who initially were indifferent about a proposed Islamic center near the World Trade Center site now are rallying around the plan, partly in response to a sense that their faith is under assault.
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the truth is a chicken

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Of course they're going to rally for it.They HAVE to have a way to show us that in the end "they win" by planting this mosque in the middle of a very sacred area.
Who cares what the Muzzies think.Obama is SO worried about his Muzzie friends and bretheren and how they feel and has no concern about the countless who are unemployed because of a wrecked economy and no jobs.This is America,it was founded on Christianity,God and the English language.That's how it is and how it should be.If they do not like it,they can go back to their home country.
Anyhow,it'll be built I am sure.Obama will see to it.People can also rest assurred that it will more than likely be burnt to the ground or heavily vandalized numerous times.
This country was built on religious freedom, not Christianity. According to your narrow minded veiw, why dont you and your clan friends just burn down all of the synagogues? They are not Christian.

Racist.
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This country was built on religious freedom, not Christianity. According to your narrow minded veiw, why dont you and your clan friends just burn down all of the synagogues? They are not Christian.
Racist.
Islam is a race?
Really?
dave chappelle

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This country was built on religious freedom, not Christianity. According to your narrow minded veiw, why dont you and your clan friends just burn down all of the synagogues? They are not Christian.
Racist.
Islam is not a religion. It's a totalitarian socio-political system that is totally at odds with our Constitution and the freedoms it guarantees us.
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dave chappelle wrote:
<quoted text>Islam is not a religion. It's a totalitarian socio-political system that is totally at odds with our Constitution and the freedoms it guarantees us.
And how is this different than Christianity and those who so firmly believe we're a "Christian" nation? Religion and politics have made strange bedfellows for over a millennium.
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If we can get enough Muslims to unite behind the NYC mosque can we push it over on top of them?
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This country was built on religious freedom, not Christianity. According to your narrow minded veiw, why dont you and your clan friends just burn down all of the synagogues? They are not Christian.
Racist.
I am anything but racist.MOST Muslims are normal people but the radicals are the problem and you cannot tell them apart.Secondly,this isn't about Christianity,it'
s about Muslims wanting to build a mosque in a place that is sacred to many families because so many innocent people died there.If the story had been that a football stadium was there INSTEAD of the twin towers, and some horriffic accident happened in that stadium,killing almost 3,000 people,you could safely bet that they would have zero interest in building a mosque at that site.Now,since the real story is 2 planes with Muslim/Islam extremists and innocent hijacked passengers were slammed into those buildings killing almost 3,000 people in the name of radical Islam and radical Muslim,their strong and unrelenting desire to build there is nothing more than a disrespectful and dishonoring slap in the face to all the victim's families.Don't YOU think it's a bit "odd" that Muslims would WANT to build a mosque in the fallout ring of ground zero when they know that it would only fan the flames of Americans who WON'T forget? Don't YOU think that all they're doing by building this mosque is saying "up yours America",we'll turn your family member's death place into a Muslim place of worship so other radicals can come and pray for MORE American blood to soak the soil?That's how I see it "truth is a chicken",I am like the umpire at a baseball game. I call it as I see it.
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And how is this different than Christianity and those who so firmly believe we're a "Christian" nation? Religion and politics have made strange bedfellows for over a millennium.
In America, Christianity and the government have never worked together to:
Force women to wear blankets and hoods.
Execute people who covert to another religion.
Stone adulterers to death.
Tell people what they can or cannot eat.
Imprison anyone who disrespects another's religion.
Confiscate holy books and symbols of other faiths.
Exhort the population to kill "infidels."
Behead "apostates."

Shall I go on?
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dave chappelle wrote:
<quoted text>In America, Christianity and the government have never worked together to:
Force women to wear blankets and hoods.
Execute people who covert to another religion.
Stone adulterers to death.
Tell people what they can or cannot eat.
Imprison anyone who disrespects another's religion.
Confiscate holy books and symbols of other faiths.
Exhort the population to kill "infidels."
Behead "apostates."
Shall I go on?
Yes. Please do!
Edw

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Terrorists, like illegal aliens, are not wanted in America. You are all bunch of liabilities and need to work for a living and not terrorize people and countries. Take your mosque and build in your country...not this country called United States of America. You are unwanted in this country, don't you get the hints?
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dave chappelle wrote:
<quoted text>In America, Christianity and the government have never worked together to:
Force women to wear blankets and hoods.
Execute people who covert to another religion.
Stone adulterers to death.
Tell people what they can or cannot eat.
Imprison anyone who disrespects another's religion.
Confiscate holy books and symbols of other faiths.
Exhort the population to kill "infidels."
Behead "apostates."
Shall I go on?
Ah but Christians in America have:

Burned those who were perceived as witches at the stake

Have enslaved other human beings, considering those enslaved as less than human

Proclaim loudly they are pro-life but kill abortionists

Proclaim to abhor violence but bomb government offices, abortion clinics, and churches simply because someone did something they did not like or looked differently than they did

Enforced Jim Crow laws

Refused women the vote until the 1920s and an amendment had to be passed

Still discriminate without limits against those we know little about or look differently than we do or have different customs we understand nothing about

Ignored atrocities in World War 2 Europe--we turned our heads and ignored concentration camps until we were forced into WW2 through the bombing of Pearl Harbor.

Rounded up those of Japanese descent during WW2 and placed them into camps, although many were clearly naturalized citizens and posed no threat to the US

Need I continue?

The point is: there are folks who will never, ever learn from history and the ability to predict human stupidity and cruelty and injustice. No country on the face of this earth, nor any "religion" has been exempt from immorality and extremism.
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This country was built on religious freedom, not Christianity. According to your narrow minded veiw, why dont you and your clan friends just burn down all of the synagogues? They are not Christian.
Racist.
Nothing racist about this. Please do visit Maryam Namazie's site on Sharia law, and how it is detrimental to women and children:

http://www.onelawforall.org.uk/
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Ah but Christians in America have:
Burned those who were perceived as witches at the stake
Have enslaved other human beings, considering those enslaved as less than human
Proclaim loudly they are pro-life but kill abortionists
Proclaim to abhor violence but bomb government offices, abortion clinics, and churches simply because someone did something they did not like or looked differently than they did
Enforced Jim Crow laws
Refused women the vote until the 1920s and an amendment had to be passed
Still discriminate without limits against those we know little about or look differently than we do or have different customs we understand nothing about
Ignored atrocities in World War 2 Europe--we turned our heads and ignored concentration camps until we were forced into WW2 through the bombing of Pearl Harbor.
Rounded up those of Japanese descent during WW2 and placed them into camps, although many were clearly naturalized citizens and posed no threat to the US
Need I continue?
The point is: there are folks who will never, ever learn from history and the ability to predict human stupidity and cruelty and injustice. No country on the face of this earth, nor any "religion" has been exempt from immorality and extremism.
Which is exactly why history should never be forgotten, but which political bent of any other religion approves of stoning via court of law in 2010?
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Which is exactly why history should never be forgotten, but which political bent of any other religion approves of stoning via court of law in 2010?
Which church's political bent approves of the gospel of prosperity, permits both government officials and CEOs of fleecing others financially, and also believes in eye for an eye?

Seems to me there are still many political similarities.

In no way am I condoning or condemning any form of faith. However, I am warning do not compare religious faiths. We are not a theocracy here in the US, and for good reason. Still, we have many who do things under the guise " God" or "Jesus" that are still clearly wrong, immoral, and unethical. Rod Parsley? Catholic priests and sexual abuse?

Churches are human institutions, fraught with human failings. Getting caught up in the debate over whose religion is better than whose is a stupid thing, really.
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Which church's political bent approves of the gospel of prosperity, permits both government officials and CEOs of fleecing others financially, and also believes in eye for an eye?
Seems to me there are still many political similarities.
In no way am I condoning or condemning any form of faith. However, I am warning do not compare religious faiths. We are not a theocracy here in the US, and for good reason. Still, we have many who do things under the guise " God" or "Jesus" that are still clearly wrong, immoral, and unethical. Rod Parsley? Catholic priests and sexual abuse?
Churches are human institutions, fraught with human failings. Getting caught up in the debate over whose religion is better than whose is a stupid thing, really.
Immorality and corruption is a whole different issue, and since I don't practice a 'standard' religion I won't debate your points. Islam has a political bent to it which is the argument - not religion. As far as courts of law go, I don't see modern day Christians condemning women based on archaic Biblical laws and accusations. And we are talking courts of law, not sect-like existences (a whole other issue for a whole other time).

The issue is the political bent, not the religion. That is why Maryam Namazie is working so hard for awareness.
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I am anything but racist.MOST Muslims are normal people but the radicals are the problem and you cannot tell them apart.
You cannot tell normal people from radicals? You don't get out much do you?
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Immorality and corruption is a whole different issue, and since I don't practice a 'standard' religion I won't debate your points. Islam has a political bent to it which is the argument - not religion. As far as courts of law go, I don't see modern day Christians condemning women based on archaic Biblical laws and accusations. And we are talking courts of law, not sect-like existences (a whole other issue for a whole other time).
The issue is the political bent, not the religion. That is why Maryam Namazie is working so hard for awareness.
Christianity also has a political bend to it as well. Ever listen to Glenn Beck? The "gospel of properity" funded by Goldline and some food company...all gauranteed to scare us out of our wits, that armageddeon is near, and if we don't repent and buy gold and food, we'll be punished bad by God? And yet, he is used by Fox to stump and promote right-wing politicians.

Hmmm. Different audience. Different context. Different country. But same political tactics. Control your audience to conform to the pundit's world view.

Problem is, many fundamentalists or extremists in any religion use fear or hate to gain political power. The Catholic Church itself was once the largest political power in the western world. And it remains a political force in some ways. Religion was used to govern/rule peoples well before western civilization was in existence and in fact propolled the development of western civilization.
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Don't YOU think it's a bit "odd" that Muslims would WANT to build a mosque in the fallout ring of ground zero when they know that it would only fan the flames of Americans who WON'T forget? Don't YOU think that all they're doing by building this mosque is saying "up yours America",we'll turn your family member's death place into a Muslim place of worship so other radicals can come and pray for MORE American blood to soak the soil?
I watched the interview that Imam Rauf gave to CNN last week. If nothing else, his perspective is widely divergent from what you seem to believe that it is. First, his ministry (and I don't know if that is the appropriate word) to Muslims in that neighborhood goes back some twenty-five years. We should all be aware and remember that among the Americans who died in the 9/11 attack were American Muslims. The Muslims involved in the dream of transforming the Burlington Coat Factory building have been praying there for awhile and objection to their plans to create a cultural center there did not surface until some six months after it was announced and plans approved. The opposition has been organized not from the neighborhood and people affected (even the families of 9/11 victims are not of a single mind on this), but from one or more organized anti-Islamic groups.

The area in which the center is proposed has not been treated as "hallowed ground" in any meaningful sense, and is home to strip joints and bars.

What the Imam puts forth is not an opportunity to build some monument to anything (let alone "victory"), but rather to build towards greater understanding between faiths--and to further Islam in the America as a non-radical force.

Perhaps the Imam, and his fellow Muslim Americans are guilty of overestimating our American moral fiber. It would be sad if their trust in the ability of Americans to distinguish between those who attack us and those who are us.
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Sorry--the last sentence should read:

It would be sad if their trust in the ability of Americans to distinguish between those who attack us and those who are us were misplaced.
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Terrorists, like illegal aliens, are not wanted in America. You are all bunch of liabilities and need to work for a living and not terrorize people and countries. Take your mosque and build in your country...not this country called United States of America. You are unwanted in this country, don't you get the hints?
The people who are building the center in NYC have a country. It is called the United States.
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I watched the interview that Imam Rauf gave to CNN last week. If nothing else, his perspective is widely divergent from what you seem to believe that it is. First, his ministry (and I don't know if that is the appropriate word) to Muslims in that neighborhood goes back some twenty-five years. We should all be aware and remember that among the Americans who died in the 9/11 attack were American Muslims. The Muslims involved in the dream of transforming the Burlington Coat Factory building have been praying there for awhile and objection to their plans to create a cultural center there did not surface until some six months after it was announced and plans approved. The opposition has been organized not from the neighborhood and people affected (even the families of 9/11 victims are not of a single mind on this), but from one or more organized anti-Islamic groups.
The area in which the center is proposed has not been treated as "hallowed ground" in any meaningful sense, and is home to strip joints and bars.
What the Imam puts forth is not an opportunity to build some monument to anything (let alone "victory"), but rather to build towards greater understanding between faiths--and to further Islam in the America as a non-radical force.
Perhaps the Imam, and his fellow Muslim Americans are guilty of overestimating our American moral fiber. It would be sad if their trust in the ability of Americans to distinguish between those who attack us and those who are us.
Part of this debate, which is being drowned out by a knee-jerk reaction to Islam, is the fact that a Greek Orthodox church also was destroyed in 9/11 and the political forces that are permitting the mosque are refusing that the Orthodox church be rebuilt, although it had stood there for 90 years, since 1919.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/24/nyregion/24...
http://www.stnicholasnyc.com/

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