Racino Stupidity
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The Author

Columbus, OH

#1 Jun 16, 2012
A monster was turned loose on the hapless people of Franklin County at 2 p.m. on June 1 at the Scioto Downs Racino. I'm not a gambler, but around 3 p.m., I said to my 65-year-old son, Dave,“ Let's drop over, out of curiosity, and see this thing, which has come to pass, after many tumultuous years of labor pains.”

We were shocked when we arrived at the huge parking lot south of Columbus. It was packed, and workers were creating another large area; we found a spot far from the entrance gates. Fortunately, or unfortunately, there was a shuttle that hurried us to our demise, where we were crowded into utter turmoil.

We were overwhelmed by the loud, gaudily arrayed, giant room packed with lighted, electronic “ one-arm bandits” and frustrated people. Why frustrated? We immediately noticed that some 75 percent of the seats by the machines were unoccupied. Then, we knew why. We heard one male employee say that only one computer, which controlled the operation of the devices, was working; most of the machines were dead.

Two thousand angry people were frantically looking for a place to lose their hard-earned money. After about a half-hour, we found one machine that worked. I had warned my son that he should take only the amount of money he could afford to lose, so all we had was a $20 bill. That was more than I really could afford.

It took exactly five minutes to lose that in a dollar machine, and I said,“Let’s get out of here.” What a relief to hit the cool air.

I'll never go back, but it is unique for Columbus, and everyone should see it at least once. Just remember what I said about the money.

The bandit, which steals from the poor, is open forever. That is 8,760 hours a year. We lost $20 in five minutes. Imagine the loss in a year, with around 2,000 machines spinning away? Gamblers can't win. If they could, the racino would close its doors. It is an expensive pastime for the ignorant poor.

Of course, a few will strike it lucky, but experience shows that they eventually will lose back the winnings.

The upside: I am happy for the thousands who have found employment in building this creature and all of its electrical phenomena.
The Author

Columbus, OH

#2 Jun 16, 2012
This was a letter to the editor in today's (June 16) Dispatch.

While the writer has a lot of concepts right, he and his son's actions were not real bright.

The smartest thing he did was to take only what they could afford to lose. Although you should expect to lose it, and if he had trouble affording $20, they should have stayed home.

Going on the first day was dumb also. Any reasonable person would expect problems.

With only $20, playing on a dollar machine was stupid also. I would have played the 2 cent reel machines, playing a dime at a time (5 lines, 1 credit per line) and been able to play at least an hour. If I played 1 line and 1 credit it would last me for hours.

Going to a casino or racino is really no different than some other activities. Go to a movie and only watch the movie, you've spent $18 and have no hard asset to show for it. Play a round of golf, and you're out close to $100 (not sure, as I don't play) and you have nothing to show for it. These are only a couple of examples. Go gambling and at least you have a CHANCE to make some money. Just don't spend any more than you would on any other form of entertainment, and walk out when you're done.
The Author

Columbus, OH

#4 Jun 16, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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Did you read the previous description of the difference between a slot machine and a VLT? A slot machine you can theoretically win on every pull, but the law of averages works everything out in the end. VLT's are like a bunch of preprinted instant tickets. There is a predetermined winner, and you are spinning for the opportunity to be the one who gets that particular ticket, so to speak. It is a significant difference, in my opinion.
From what I've read, it depends on whether the particular machine has a random number generator. If it does, it acts like a slot, if not, then as you described. I just have a partiality to 3 reel slots not really a big fan of the computer video type of machine, whether it's a slot of VLT, and for me it's entertainment. I learned long ago not to play too often, and I only take what I can comfortably lose. Also, when I hit a decent payout, I cash in and go home.
CareCRS

Phoenix, AZ

#5 Jun 16, 2012
They're making millions for the state of Ohio, so be grateful. My cousin won $123 in less than a minute on the 5 cent slot.

Two sides to the coin, folks. Can't wait to visit!
The Author

Columbus, OH

#6 Jun 16, 2012
I went over this evening, played a couple of 2 cent machines, a quarter machine, and a half-dollar machine. Played 45 minutes and lost $15. No good hits, so time to go.

A heck of a lot better than losing $20 in five minutes on a dollar machine.
sidekick

Galloway, OH

#7 Jun 16, 2012
I hit 3 bars and popped 3 cherries tonight.. is that considered a winner?

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#8 Jun 16, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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There is a predetermined winner, and you are spinning for the opportunity to be the one who gets that particular ticket, so to speak. It is a significant difference, in my opinion.
Variation on Willie Wonka's golden ticket.

If this is what amuses you, fine. At least the racino is employing folks.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#9 Jun 16, 2012
gokeefe wrote:
<quoted text>
Variation on Willie Wonka's golden ticket.
If this is what amuses you, fine. At least the racino is employing folks.
From the State of PA:

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/TR/...

==========

The difference between a slot machi~le and a VLT may not be readily apparent simply by looking at the unit but must be examined in term of the manner in which they operate internally. VLTs often look just like slot machines in appearance. In fact,
manufacturers are very good a t making VLTs that look very similar to slot machines from the patron's point of view. I-Iowever, there is a clear difference between a slot machine in Pennsylvania and a VLT used in states such as New York or Washington. In a basic sense, that difference is realized by the co-existence of 2 factors unique to VLTs.

The first factor is the existence of a single Random Number Generator located at the central system as opposed to the Random Number Generator located at the machine level. However, this difference alone does not separatc a machine as a VLT. In some
instances newer technology has created slot machine server based systems which qualify as slot machines even though each individual unit does not have a random number generator but instead random numbers are generated individually by a server for each game.

The second and more important factor is the existence of a finite depleting prize pool. The Random Number Generator located at the central system in a VLT randomly selects a prize from a known group of winning and losing prizes. The VLT then proceeds
to show the patron through the use of spinning reels or playing cards the outcome of this randomly selected prize. This is different from a slot machine, which does not use a finite depleting prize pool. Nor does a slot machine's random number generator pick winners. Instead, a slot machine's random number generator picks symbols which correlate to an approved pay table.

For example, the most widely used analogy l"or a VI,T is that of scratch off lottery tickets. When a batch of scratch off lottery tickets is manufactured, there is a finite amount of winning and losing tickets. The tickets are then randomly distributed for sale
at vending machines and convenience stores. When a patron purchases a scratch off ticket it is not only one less ticket out in the market but the patron's outcome has already been
determined since that ticket came from a finite prize pool.

Kramers Attorney

Since: Apr 12

Hilliard, OH

#10 Jun 16, 2012
gokeefe wrote:
<quoted text>
Variation on Willie Wonka's golden ticket.
If this is what amuses you, fine. At least the racino is employing folks.
Agreed. No sympathy for the losers. Glad to see hundreds of new jobs created. Ohio was responsible for 27% of ALL jobs created nationwide in May; take that Kasich haters.
Now, get sports betting legal here, and I'll be a participant.

“Hey, Sarge!”

Since: Dec 10

The Milky Way

#11 Jun 17, 2012
The Author wrote:
A monster was turned loose on the hapless people of Franklin County at 2 p.m. on June 1 at the Scioto Downs Racino. I'm not a gambler, but around 3 p.m., I said to my 65-year-old son, Dave,“ Let's drop over, out of curiosity, and see this thing, which has come to pass, after many tumultuous years of labor pains.”

We were shocked when we arrived at the huge parking lot south of Columbus. It was packed, and workers were creating another large area; we found a spot far from the entrance gates. Fortunately, or unfortunately, there was a shuttle that hurried us to our demise, where we were crowded into utter turmoil.

We were overwhelmed by the loud, gaudily arrayed, giant room packed with lighted, electronic “ one-arm bandits” and frustrated people. Why frustrated? We immediately noticed that some 75 percent of the seats by the machines were unoccupied. Then, we knew why. We heard one male employee say that only one computer, which controlled the operation of the devices, was working; most of the machines were dead.

Two thousand angry people were frantically looking for a place to lose their hard-earned money. After about a half-hour, we found one machine that worked. I had warned my son that he should take only the amount of money he could afford to lose, so all we had was a $20 bill. That was more than I really could afford.

It took exactly five minutes to lose that in a dollar machine, and I said,“Let’s get out of here.” What a relief to hit the cool air.

I'll never go back, but it is unique for Columbus, and everyone should see it at least once. Just remember what I said about the money.

The bandit, which steals from the poor, is open forever. That is 8,760 hours a year. We lost $20 in five minutes. Imagine the loss in a year, with around 2,000 machines spinning away? Gamblers can't win. If they could, the racino would close its doors. It is an expensive pastime for the ignorant poor.

Of course, a few will strike it lucky, but experience shows that they eventually will lose back the winnings.

The upside: I am happy for the thousands who have found employment in building this creature and all of its electrical phenomena.
Is that really you!?
sidekick

Galloway, OH

#13 Jun 17, 2012
Spookneverdieso wrote:
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You won't really know for about 9t months. If none of those popped cherrie ownees come to you for child support then yes you are a winner.
Yeah..I'll have to investigate and see if them 3 slot machine's fall under any "lemon laws", cause that lot was no solid gold bar.
Anyhow...All kiddin aside, I would rather bet on the horses than pull my luck at some armed bandit (as someone called it). The hell with this dump..HollyHood casino too.
The Author

Columbus, OH

#14 Jun 17, 2012
Boomer7 wrote:
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Is that really you!?
Guess you didn't read the next post.
The Author

Columbus, OH

#15 Jun 17, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
From the State of PA:
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/TR/...
==========
The difference between a slot machi~le and a VLT may not be readily apparent simply by looking at the unit but must be examined in term of the manner in which they operate internally. VLTs often look just like slot machines in appearance. In fact,
manufacturers are very good a t making VLTs that look very similar to slot machines from the patron's point of view. I-Iowever, there is a clear difference between a slot machine in Pennsylvania and a VLT used in states such as New York or Washington. In a basic sense, that difference is realized by the co-existence of 2 factors unique to VLTs.
The first factor is the existence of a single Random Number Generator located at the central system as opposed to the Random Number Generator located at the machine level. However, this difference alone does not separatc a machine as a VLT. In some
instances newer technology has created slot machine server based systems which qualify as slot machines even though each individual unit does not have a random number generator but instead random numbers are generated individually by a server for each game.
The second and more important factor is the existence of a finite depleting prize pool. The Random Number Generator located at the central system in a VLT randomly selects a prize from a known group of winning and losing prizes. The VLT then proceeds
to show the patron through the use of spinning reels or playing cards the outcome of this randomly selected prize. This is different from a slot machine, which does not use a finite depleting prize pool. Nor does a slot machine's random number generator pick winners. Instead, a slot machine's random number generator picks symbols which correlate to an approved pay table.
For example, the most widely used analogy l"or a VI,T is that of scratch off lottery tickets. When a batch of scratch off lottery tickets is manufactured, there is a finite amount of winning and losing tickets. The tickets are then randomly distributed for sale
at vending machines and convenience stores. When a patron purchases a scratch off ticket it is not only one less ticket out in the market but the patron's outcome has already been
determined since that ticket came from a finite prize pool.
Thanks. It is hard to tell just by looking. They do have some machines that look like standard progressives, with a slowly increasing jackpot, and then they have others that have prize amounts at the top that do not change, maybe those are the VLTs? I haven't played those or even been interested in them.

“Hey, Sarge!”

Since: Dec 10

The Milky Way

#16 Jun 17, 2012
The Author wrote:
<quoted text>Guess you didn't read the next post.
My point is that the article was well written and voiced opinions that other folks have been quiet about!
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#17 Jun 17, 2012
The Author wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks. It is hard to tell just by looking. They do have some machines that look like standard progressives, with a slowly increasing jackpot, and then they have others that have prize amounts at the top that do not change, maybe those are the VLTs? I haven't played those or even been interested in them.
I think Scioto Downs is all VLT. The new place will be traditional slots.
The Author

Columbus, OH

#18 Jun 17, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>I think Scioto Downs is all VLT. The new place will be traditional slots.
That's correct.
The Author

Columbus, OH

#19 Jun 17, 2012
Boomer7 wrote:
<quoted text>
My point is that the article was well written and voiced opinions that other folks have been quiet about!
The following uses the rhetorical "you", not aimed at you personally.

I guess if you go to a casino or a racino, and you don't have self-control, either because you get caught up in the excitement or you have an addictive personality with gambling, then demonizing said facility might be a good coping mechanism to help you stay out of the place, and if that's the case, then I support that.

My quibble is that others will accept that casinos or gambling are evil based on what he wrote, and my point was to say he and his son did not use a good strategy. Of course, if you are religious, most religions teach that gambling is evil, but for a lot of people they are a form of entertainment where you at least have some chance of getting some of your money back. IF you know and adhere to your limits. Some can, some can't. Learning how to play these games with an acceptable level of loss is an education, and all education costs something.
The Author

Columbus, OH

#20 Jun 17, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>I think Scioto Downs is all VLT. The new place will be traditional slots.
From what I said earlier, it's just hard to tell playing them if there is any difference as measured by a payout. I've done well some days and not so well others.
gokeefe

Galloway, OH

#21 Jun 17, 2012
The Author wrote:
<quoted text>
The following uses the rhetorical "you", not aimed at you personally.
I guess if you go to a casino or a racino, and you don't have self-control, either because you get caught up in the excitement or you have an addictive personality with gambling, then demonizing said facility might be a good coping mechanism to help you stay out of the place, and if that's the case, then I support that.
My quibble is that others will accept that casinos or gambling are evil based on what he wrote, and my point was to say he and his son did not use a good strategy. Of course, if you are religious, most religions teach that gambling is evil, but for a lot of people they are a form of entertainment where you at least have some chance of getting some of your money back. IF you know and adhere to your limits. Some can, some can't. Learning how to play these games with an acceptable level of loss is an education, and all education costs something.
Oh balderash. I'm not a gambler by any stretch of the imagination. If you're gonna play, then play. Put some money into someone's otherwise unemployed and empty wallet if you can. Just don't gamble away the mortgage or grocery money. I'm Catholic. Do you think we care? After all, we perfected the art of the summer fest, complete with bingo, roulette, and card games and BEER LOL.
The Author

Columbus, OH

#22 Jun 17, 2012
gokeefe wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh balderash. I'm not a gambler by any stretch of the imagination. If you're gonna play, then play. Put some money into someone's otherwise unemployed and empty wallet if you can. Just don't gamble away the mortgage or grocery money. I'm Catholic. Do you think we care? After all, we perfected the art of the summer fest, complete with bingo, roulette, and card games and BEER LOL.
That's why I said "most religions". Be thankful you didn't have baptist relatives, like I did, who even thought playing solitaire with cards was the devil's work. And there was a coalition of religious groups who fought the casino amendment tooth and nail.

I think I have made clear I play only what I feel like losing, and it's only out of discretionary money.

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