SB 5 outlook looks grim in latest poll

SB 5 outlook looks grim in latest poll

There are 2348 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Jul 21, 2011, titled SB 5 outlook looks grim in latest poll. In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

Ohio's collective-bargaining law would be crushed out of existence if the vote were today, a new poll shows.

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Ed Wood

Laura, OH

#22 Jul 21, 2011
Hello wrote:
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Hey Johnny Boy.....look where your arrogant style and "shooting from the hip" approach has gotten you. I must say.....you deserve it. Have a nice day.
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Speaking of shooting from the hip, where's he going to get the 2 million he promised Childrens Hospital?
Take a Closer Look

Columbus, OH

#23 Jul 21, 2011
I project had this governing body, including our governor attacked entitlements with such anger, vigor and determination; the polls would have shown them on a steady advance in their popularity. However, since they choose the wrong path to reform, they can bear the burden of bad choice and suffer the pain in 2012.

Welfare reform was set aside in order to pass legislation to permit us to carry guns into bars. Welfare reform was set aside in order to pass legislation to tap into the precious waters of our Great Lakes. These fools have it backwards and they will be quickly tossed out in the next general election.

NO SB #5 and let's dump the idiots who supported it!!!!!!!
Kill SB5

Columbus, OH

#24 Jul 21, 2011
Fact check wrote:
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Dec 2010 Unemployment 9.5 May 2011 8.6. Same period of time 50,000 jobs added. Check your facts. bls.gov
Any gains are made while Governor greedy does all he can to kill Ohio. Wow, Ohio is reslient inspite of John's antics. Be careful or Leighman Bro results will be coming to our state
Ed Wood

Laura, OH

#25 Jul 21, 2011
John Q Public wrote:
Ohio's unemployment rate was 8.6 percent in May, unchanged from April, according to data released this morning by the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services (ODJFS).(Dated June 17)
Companies who receieved Fed Tax breaks and other subsides to increase employment did not do so...but they did keep the money. A question to ask is why? Is it greed? or a need to keep a safety net in place incase of second econmic downturn?
I do not care for Kasiok style of "shooting from the hip" and 'Ready, AIM, Fire" it appears that he lacks transparency and long terms planning.
Hey - hey - hey, who do you think you are misleading the sheeple with facts instead of tea party lies?
Publius

Zanesville, OH

#26 Jul 21, 2011
SB 5 is a poorly crafted statute. Too bad it can't simply be withdrawn and the process start all over again !
NoNoNoNo

Columbus, OH

#27 Jul 21, 2011
A vote to repeal SB 5 is a vote to raise taxes on Ohioans. It is taxpayers versus greedy unions who are out of touch with the reality of Ohio's economy. If SB 5 is overturned, public employee unions will demand raises even as tax revenue falls and local governments will be held hostage. Unions push their pro-gay, pro-abortion agenda using our tax money! I DESPISE unions. Please vote to uphold SB 5!!

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Columbus, OH

#28 Jul 21, 2011
Of course the bad news is that Good Old John fixed the budget so when SB5 fails as it needs to, John will point to all the local levies needed to replace all the money he sent to big business and turned down from stimulus and say"see you should have listened to me". John and the greedy republicans knew what they were doing when they pushed through the budget. SB 5 will go down and the taxpayers will suffer because of it. Not because SB5 is wrong but because Kasich and his crew fixed the budget to make sure the middle class will suffer one way or the other. NEVER forget what this despicable man has done to our state. Never forget.
max

United States

#29 Jul 21, 2011
Old Timer wrote:
While I did not take this poll, I have mixed feelings about the content. Employees should pay 15% of premium for insurance. In our public sector workplace, we paid 20%(since 1992). Employees should pay 10% to their retirement, and Ohioans do. We pay the second highest rate nationally, next to Massachusetts. Public employees should not be allowed to strike. That is how the unions got their stranglehold on management. Seniority should be a "non-issue", and would be if management had the right to eliminate those people deemed unfitting. Just decided sharing a few facts wouldn't hurt.
Many public employees ALREADY pay 15% or more - the Dept Admin Serv says they were unable to determine exactly how many that was. But you're right - not an out of line request. Pensions - at least in schools - you're right employees ARE paying their 10%. It appears that it is superintendents and the higher ups NOT paying that. They are not part of the collective bargain units - the districts decide on that benefit. As a superintendent of a school system, shouldn't they be entitled to some "perks". CEOs in the private sector are.

Seniority would work if management would document ineffective employees to allow them to be let go. Often, you will find "bad" employees still working because no one documented anything. And wouldn't you want due process if you were to be let go?
Dman

Columbus, OH

#30 Jul 21, 2011
Johnny Jobs hasn't been in office long enough to have moved the unemployment needle and you know it.
Tax Religion

Springfield, OH

#31 Jul 21, 2011
NoNoNoNo wrote:
A vote to repeal SB 5 is a vote to raise taxes on Ohioans. It is taxpayers versus greedy unions who are out of touch with the reality of Ohio's economy. If SB 5 is overturned, public employee unions will demand raises even as tax revenue falls and local governments will be held hostage. Unions push their pro-gay, pro-abortion agenda using our tax money! I DESPISE unions. Please vote to uphold SB 5!!
You must be one of those right wing christian (homophobic) lunatics who is glued to fox tv all day long. Because of this moron's antics some local govt's are already putting levies and bonds on the ballots... Pickerington, Dublin and a few others are already trying to make up for the loss of money that is going from local gov't to the pockets of Johnny's friends. I would bet you are not that close to Johnny boy that you are getting any of it so you might want to reconsider your post...
flemdog

Blacklick, OH

#32 Jul 21, 2011
Johnny boy needs to go to California with his wackadoodle buddies. I believe that's what he called California's people? As for policemen, Teachers and Firefighters, and nurses are idiots according to Johnny boy. Where does that leave him? I guess he's a wackadoodle IDIOT. I hope by the grace of God he resigns as governor of Ohio. He TERRIBLE in every way he could be.
Repub

Columbus, OH

#33 Jul 21, 2011
I don't care if SB 5 is repealed or not. What is important to me is that each year going forward we keep taxes low and spend less on public employees. Fewer of them, less benefits and no raises. That can all be accomplished with or without SB 5, and even if a Democrat is elected governor, he can't print money! Look at the ROOT of Ohio's economy - it is rotted out. There is no revenue coming in the next 30 years that will allow us to continue that fat union pay and bennies of yore. Labor may dance around like ninnies if SB 5 is repealed, but the reality is that public employees in Ohio are going to get a heck of a lot less money over the coming decades than in the past!

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Columbus, OH

#34 Jul 21, 2011
Dman wrote:
Johnny Jobs hasn't been in office long enough to have moved the unemployment needle and you know it.
Johnny Jobs, that is funny. Is that what happened to Lehman Bros?

Kasich is a disgrace to Ohio.
Truth

Chicago, IL

#35 Jul 21, 2011
Perhaps all the people screaming greedy unions should get the facts. OCSEA, the union representing most state employees, and its members, accepted a two year pay cut, accepted an increase in co-pays and deductibles for health insurance, and accepted an increase in the premium we pay for that insurance. Oh, and we already pay the percentages in SB5. Now I watch the cronies doing their thing in my office every day, new positions, new people, new furniture, new cell phones; yet we are told there will be layoffs from the union staff people, the ones who know what we're doing and how to do our jobs. Finally, for anyone thinking union state employees are getting rich off the taxpayer, I sure would like to quit the part time job I've had for 10+ years and have a day off.
new democrat

United States

#36 Jul 21, 2011
Get educated people and use common sense. Kasich's cuts to local gov't WILL make local taxes rise. Local gov't still has to provide basic services. Kasich shifting burden to local level. SB 5 cost local gov't money, do your research.

Kasich is taking care of buddies, not ohioans (bob Evans, kvamme, g. Gee, etc). The man worked for Lehman Brothers which screwed over numerous pension funds. Ask anyone who has personally dealt with kasich and they all say the same thing....Arrogant jerk.
Tim

Columbus, OH

#37 Jul 21, 2011
This is a pointless and PUTRID piece of legislation, strong-armed through the Statehouse by a group of crackpot Republican legislators who were simply obeying the orders of their GOP dictators. It doesn't do ANYTHING other than to be a To Do point on the Republican agenda titled "How S***w" working and middle class Ohioans..........
Garrett

Columbus, OH

#38 Jul 21, 2011
SB5 forces union members to make a reasonable contribution to their healthcare costs. My wife is a teacher and we are already paying the minimum required by SB5. It is not outrageous in any sense and we still pay less than most of our friends and family. Is she anxious that she is actually going to be held accountable for the job she does in the classroom? Sure! But that's real life, being held accountable drives performance.

Again, I still await an explanation why a so-so teacher who has worked 15 years is automatically paid more than a teacher who has worked 10 years that cares much more about there job and performs it much better? If you actually think about the logic of it, you're tax dollars pay for bad and good teachers with no accountability. The only way to remove an entrenched position is for them to break the law or move them to an "alternative" (ie: Study Hall Monitor, In School Suspension) position while keeping them at their full salary.

Our education system is failing and if we do not find ways to promote and keep our good teachers, while holding all educators accountable (like most jobs) then we'll continue to slide.
Ghost Hunted and Killed

Columbus, OH

#39 Jul 21, 2011
http://www.newarkadvocate.com/article/2011071... |mostcom

This is an example why SB5 is needed.

Bring on Merit Pay no matter how scary the word "Accountability" is to the Union.

Pass SB5.
Dan

Galloway, OH

#40 Jul 21, 2011
Look Kasich is doing a great job...
Nobody in the history of Ohio has been able to unite labor in a way that Kasich has...
Nobody in Ohio has been able to unite the democratic party like Kasich has...

Kasich is doing a great job helping the Democrats regain control in ohio.
Kasich has been INVALUABLE to Obama 2012.(seriously - Obama can't PAY for that type of help! Who else can make Obama look like the adult in the room?)

Kasich is breaking new ground! Nobody in Ohio has even allowed a lobbiest to WRITE his budget - and been proud of it!
Nobody has show the personal greed and pettyness that Kasich has.
No republican has ever talked about the Constitution being a bother to their plans... multiple times!(how conservative! lol not)

It's also great fun to watch Republicans try to defend the indefensable(at least the ones that don't think for themselves and just rant that anything a republican does is good and democrate bad... without thinking for themselves)

He's not a conservative in any way. He's a political hack out for his own personal gain - and he doesn't even TRY to hide it.
Go away

Portsmouth, OH

#41 Jul 21, 2011
Old Timer wrote:
While I did not take this poll, I have mixed feelings about the content. Employees should pay 15% of premium for insurance. In our public sector workplace, we paid 20%(since 1992). Employees should pay 10% to their retirement, and Ohioans do. We pay the second highest rate nationally, next to Massachusetts. Public employees should not be allowed to strike. That is how the unions got their stranglehold on management. Seniority should be a "non-issue", and would be if management had the right to eliminate those people deemed unfitting. Just decided sharing a few facts wouldn't hurt.
Most school districts DO pay 15-20% for their health insurance. What many people don't see if that the districts that pay more health insurance pay less in salary and vice versa. It all equals out in the end.
As far as sacrifices, my district has made TONS! Doubled our co=pays, taking furlough days, haven't had a raise in 4 years, etc. My wife and friends work in the public sector and are still getting raises and bonuses. This CRAP about the public sector raking it in is a myth!

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