Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#23 Dec 8, 2012
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/29/vati...

Vatican Hails UN Palestinian State Vote, Calls For Special Status For Jerusalem

By By Philip Pullella

Posted: 11/29/2012 9:42 pm EST Updated: 11/29/2012 9:51 pm EST

(Reuters)- The Vatican hailed the United Nations' implicit recognition of a Palestinian state on Thursday and called for an internationally guaranteed special status for Jerusalem, something bound to irritate Israel.

The 193-nation U.N. General Assembly overwhelmingly approved a resolution to upgrade the Palestinian Authority's observer status at the United Nations from "entity" to "non-member state," the same status as the Vatican.

"The Holy See welcomes with favor the decision of the General Assembly by which Palestine has become a Non-member Observer State of the United Nations," a statement said.

But it also said it was a "propitious occasion" to recall a "common position" on Jerusalem expressed by the Vatican and the Palestine Liberation Organisation when the two sides signed a basic agreement on their bilateral relations in 2000.

Thursday's statement called for "an internationally guaranteed special statute" for Jerusalem, aimed at "safeguarding the freedom of religion and of conscience, the identity and sacred character of Jerusalem as a Holy City,(and) respect for, and freedom of, access to its holy places."

The Vatican's re-stating of its position on Jerusalem, which has remained mostly dormant for years, was bound to irk Israel, which says there is no need for an international status for Jerusalem because those guarantees already exist.

Israel declared Jerusalem its "united and eternal" capital in 1980 after annexing East Jerusalem in the Six Day War in 1967. World powers have not recognized the annexation.

Palestinians want East Jerusalem to be the capital of an eventual state.

Israel has always resisted the concept of any form of international mandate over Jerusalem.

It has been some time since the Vatican re-stated its position on the city so forcefully, and Thursday's statement was bound to be received negatively by Israel, a diplomat with direct knowledge of their relations said.

Israel has always maintained that it already guarantees the city's special nature as sacred to the three great monotheistic religions - Christianity, Judaism and Islam.

Thursday's statement called on both sides to seek an "effective commitment to building peace and stability, in justice and in the respect for legitimate aspirations, both of the Israelis and of the Palestinians."

The Vatican and Israel established full diplomatic relations in 1994. Both Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict visited the Jewish state and Palestinian territories.

(Reporting By Philip Pullella, Editing by Stacey Joyce)
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#27 Dec 8, 2012
Karl Monday wrote:
<quoted text>
The Palestinian homeland is Jordan.
So I guess you and a bunch of neocon Jews know more about the issue than the head of a 1,700 year old monarchy, who has devoted his entire life to learning and understanding everything there is to know about Christendom?
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#28 Dec 8, 2012
... And you also know more than

No such thing as justice in the Holy Land, Palestinian Church leaders tell the Irish

Outside the Irish Parliament. Left to Right: Alan Lonergan (SADAKA), Constantine Dabbagh, Fr Manuel Musallam, John Ging, Archbishop Theodosius Hanna By Stuart Littlewood 15/12/2010 “We need only one thing, to be protected by the world against the crimes of &#8232;Israel” Stuart Littlewood views a recent tour of the Republic of Ireland by a delegation of Church leaders from Palestine during which they described in meetings with Irish politicians the situation in their homeland under Israeli military occupation and the plight of the dwindling Christian community there.

http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2010/...
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#29 Dec 8, 2012
And you also know more than the Arabic Catholic diaspora?

http://www.stmchurch.com/aacc.htm
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#30 Dec 8, 2012
Who are the Christians of the Middle East
& the Holy Land?

Vatican and Antisemitism

What is their Christian History?

What is the Christian Stand on the issues of the Middle East?

What about Christian Relations with other Religions on the Issues of the Holy land & the Middle East?

The Middle East-Arab Christians (who are the Arab-Christians?) are proud of their history and of their Ancestors (brief history of Jerusalem and the Holy Land). They have celebrated 2000 years of their permanent and continuous presence in the Holy Land and the Middle East. They have been in the Middle East and Holy Land for more than 6.000 years, historians and archeologists speak about their ancestor, the Canaanits or Phoenicians (History of Jerusalem and the Holy Land). They live a lot of challenges under the Israeli Occupation specially at the East Arab-Jerusalem(Challenges on Jerusalem) occupied by Israel since 1967(Israel and Palestinians).

They call for nonviolence (Nonviolence), they call on the Right to Resist the Israeli Occupation, they shared with their beloved brothers and sisters the Palesatinians in the Intifadas. They want to build PEACE, JUSTICE AND TRUTH: a better life for all the sons and daughters of Abraham: Jews, Christians and Muslims (Relations 1)(Relations 2)

Please support the Christian presence in Middle East and the Holy Land (the Living Stones), some analysts say the 25 years from now, the Holy Land who used to form 20%, form now around 1.8% of the population will be extinct (Alarming situation). A foundation between many others was created on February 1999 to try to understand the situation of the Christians and help them, they need also your help: Holy Land Ecumenical Christian Foundation (Foundation)

Pray with us, for peace, Justice and Truth (Catholic Stand on the Holy Land). Please stand with the Right of the Palestinians to have their own independent Country Palestine and their Capital East-Jerusalem.(Jerusalem what is the Truth.)

You may have some questions! Please go below to the "Frequently Asked Questions". Thanks.

http://www.al-bushra.org/hedchrch/christiansh...
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#35 Dec 8, 2012
Did you know?

Karen El-Kawa

1 — THAT, when the Palestine problem was created by Britain in 1917, more than 90 percent of the population of Palestine were Arabs, and that there were at that time no more than 56,000 Jews in Palestine?

2 — THAT, more than half of the Jews living in Palestine at that time were recent immigrants, who had come to Palestine in the preceding decades in order to escape persecution in Europe? And that less than 5 percent of the population of Palestine were native Palestinian Jews?

3 — THAT, the Arabs of Palestine at that time owned 97.5 percent of the land, while Jews (native Palestinians and recent immigrants together) owned only 2.5 percent of the land?

4 — THAT, during the 30 years of British occupation and rule, the Zionists were able to purchase only 3.5 percent of the land of Palestine, in spite of the encouragement of the British Government? And that much of this land was transferred to Zionist bodies by the British Government directly, and was not sold by Arab owners?

5 — THAT, therefore, when British passed the Palestine problem to the United Nations in 1947, Zionists owned no more than 6 percent of the total land area of Palestine?

6 — THAT, notwithstanding these facts, the General Assembly of the United Nations recommended that a “Jewish State” be established in Palestine? And that the Assembly granted that proposed “State” about 54 percent of the total area of the country?

7 — THAT, Israel immediately occupied (and still occupies) 80.48 percent of the total land area of Palestine?

8 — THAT, this territorial expansion took place, for the most part, before May 15, 1948 i.e., before the formal end of the British forces from Palestine, before the entry of Arab armies to protect Palestinian Arabs, and before the Arab-Israeli war?

9 — THAT, the 1947 recommendation of the General Assembly in favor of the creation of a “Jewish State” was outside the competence of the Assembly under the Charter of the United Nations?

10 — THAT, all attempts by the Arab states and other Asian countries to have the Assembly submit “the question of constitutionality” of its recommendation to the International Court of Justice for an “advisory opinion” by the Court were rejected or ignored by the Assembly?

11 — THAT, when the Assembly began to experience “second thoughts” over the matter and convened for its second special session in 1948, it failed to reaffirm the 1947 recommendation for the partition of Palestine — thus destroying whatever dubious legality that recommendation for the establishment of a “Jewish State” had had?

12 — THAT, that original 1947 recommendation to create a “Jewish State” in Palestine was approved, at the first vote, only by European, American and Australian states... for every Asian state, and every African state (with the exception of the Union of South Africa) voted against it? And that, when the vote was cast in plenary session on Nov. 29, 1947, urgent American pressures (which a member of the Harry Truman Cabinet described as “bordering onto scandal”) had succeeded in prevailing only upon one African country (Liberia), both of which had special vulnerability to American pressures, to abandon their declared opposition? And that, in other words, the “Jewish State” was planted at the point-of-intersection of Asia and Africa without the free approval of any Middle Eastern, Asian or African country except that Union of South Africa, itself ruled by an alien minority?
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#36 Dec 8, 2012
13 — THAT, Israel remained, ever since its inception, a total stranger in the emerging world of Afro-Asia; and that Israel has been refused admission to any inter-state conference of Asian, African, Afro-Asian, or Non-Aligned States ever held?

18 — THAT, Israel has additionally imposed a system of apartheid upon the Arabs, who stayed in their homeland? More than 90 percent of these Arabs live in “security zones”; they alone live under martial law, restricting their freedom to travel from village to village or from town to town; their children are denied equal opportunities for education; and they are denied decent opportunities for work, and the right to receive “equal pay for equal work?”

19 — THAT, notwithstanding the foregoing facts, Israel has always been, and still is, widely portrayed in the Western press as the “bastion of democracy” and the “champion of peace” in the Middle East?

21 — THAT, Israel allots 85 percent of the water resources in the occupied territories for Jews and the remaining 15 percent is divided among all Palestinians in the territories? For example in Hebron, 85 percent of the water is given to about 500 settlers, while 15 percent must be divided among Hebron’s 120,000 Palestinians?

22 — THAT, the United States awards Israel $3 billion in aid each year, more than to any other country in the world: US aid to Israel exceeds the aid the US grants to the whole sub-Saharan Africa?

23 — THAT, GDP, per capita, and consumption per capita in the occupied territories have dropped about 15 percent in the West Bank and Gaza since 1993 — that’s even with large foreign assistance pouring in, from Europe, mostly?

26 — THAT, Israel is the only country in the Middle East that refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections from its sites?

27 — THAT, Israel currently occupies territories of two sovereign nations (Lebanon and Syria) in defiance of United Nations Security Council resolutions?

28 — THAT, high-ranking military officers in the Israeli military have admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war were executed by the Israeli Army?

29 — THAT, Israel refuses to prosecute its soldiers who have acknowledged executing prisoners of war?

30 — THAT, Israel routinely confiscates bank accounts, businesses, and land from Palestinians and refuses to pay compensation to those who suffer the confiscation?

33 — THAT, today’s Israel sits on the former sites of more than 400 destroyed Palestinian villages, and that the Israelis renamed almost every physical site in the country to cover up the traces?

34 — THAT, Sharon’s coalition government includes a party — Molodet — which advocates expelling all (of the over two million) Palestinians from (their homes) in the occupied territories?

35 — THAT, Israel’s illegal settlement-building in the Occupied Palestinian territories more than doubled in the eight years since the Oslo agreements?

36 — THAT, illegal settlement building under Prime Minister Ehud Barak doubled compared to settlement building under Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu?

37 — THAT, more illegal settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories were built under Barak than at any other time in the history of Israel’s occupation of Palestinian land?

38 — THAT, despite a ban on torture by Israel’s High Court of Justice, torture has continued by Shin Bet interrogators on Palestinian prisoners?

39 — THAT, Palestinian refugees make up the largest refugee population in the world?

40 — THAT, Israeli military checkpoints surround every Palestinian population center in violation of the Oslo Accords?

41 — THAT, the right of self-determination is guaranteed to every human being under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (December, 1948), yet Palestinians were/are expected to negotiate for this right under the Oslo Accords?

42 — THAT, Palestinians have the highest ratio of PhDs per capita in the world?

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#37 Dec 8, 2012
ROTFLMAO........

Having fun E Bob?

While you are at it why don't you explain your position on the nationality of Jesus to Karl and
your opinion of Mary......

That ought to interest him, coming from a professed Catholic..........LOL

Since: Sep 10

Blue Creek, OH

#40 Dec 8, 2012
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Our economy in the 1930s was not consumer driven with low manufacturing capabilities as it is today. As much as I despise globalism, this is now a planetary economy and one nation cannot pull itself out of a down economy by itself.
Obama's proposals run counter to every accepted course of action to improve an economy. In top of that, his lies about his proposals are further dividing the nation.
Admittedly we are in an overall situation that is unlike anything we've faced. All the folks on your side keep clamoring for more of what got us here in the first place. Adding gasoline to a fire only equals more flames.

It seems prudent to me to do the exact opposite of what the leaders off the cliff are proposing. They want to take us off of the cliff, blame it on the black guy and steal everyone's money along the way.

Sorry George, I just can't get behind that.

Since: Sep 10

Blue Creek, OH

#44 Dec 8, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
LMAO! Stop reading Daily Kos and the Workers' Daily and use some real data!
LABOR FORCE: Number Of Workers Aged 25-54 Back To April 1997 Levels.“In other words in the past 15 years not a single incremental job has been gained in this most productive and lucrative of age groups!”
How’s that hopey-changey stuff workin’ out for ya?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-07/numb...
Ole EB the wingnut kool aid swiller. Pare a few years off of what you're presenting, as they're bolstered by one competent and one semi-competent President on either side of the village idiot we had in charge from 2001-2009.

Worse job creation by a President since Herbert Hoover. None of your hype or spin can alter that fact.
The decline of manufacturing and the shifting to a service based economy started under Nixon and went into hyperdrive in the 80's and 90's.

You are proposing cutting revenue as a way out of debt. That's like shooting yourself a second time hoping to push the first bullet out.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#45 Dec 8, 2012
Kosmik wrote:
<quoted text>
Ole EB the wingnut kool aid swiller. Pare a few years off of what you're presenting, as they're bolstered by one competent and one semi-competent President on either side of the village idiot we had in charge from 2001-2009.
Worse job creation by a President since Herbert Hoover. None of your hype or spin can alter that fact.
The decline of manufacturing and the shifting to a service based economy started under Nixon and went into hyperdrive in the 80's and 90's.
You are proposing cutting revenue as a way out of debt. That's like shooting yourself a second time hoping to push the first bullet out.
And yet, the "worst job creation since Hoover" resulted in a cumulative two term unemployment rate of 5.3%.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#46 Dec 8, 2012
Karl Monday wrote:
<quoted text>
Bob, didn't provide the link for his 42 position rant, I found it, its from a HOLOCAUST DENIAL site.
Bleating anti-semite is the last refuge of all scoundrels.

It is from the same ARAB CATHOLIC sites the other posts came from.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#47 Dec 8, 2012
Kosmik wrote:
<quoted text>
Ole EB the wingnut kool aid swiller. Pare a few years off of what you're presenting, as they're bolstered by one competent and one semi-competent President on either side of the village idiot we had in charge from 2001-2009.
And you conveniently forgot that Newt Gingrich was dragging Slick Willie kicking and screaming into financial prudence. And that even then, the so called "balanced budget" was arrived at through phony accounting and the bubble economy created when everybody was buying and selling dot com stocks. Bush was forced to cut taxes in order to keep things humming along after the bubble burst.

Where we are at today is because another bubble, also with a lot of funny money, was created with housing and mortgage backed securities.
Kosmik wrote:
<quoted text>
Worse job creation by a President since Herbert Hoover. None of your hype or spin can alter that fact.

You are proposing cutting revenue as a way out of debt. That's like shooting yourself a second time hoping to push the first bullet out.
And Barry who can't even match the employment after dot com bubble burst, despite more citizens living here?

And wrong. I am proposing cutting spending and taxes. Something either nobody wants or has the guts to do. Everybody talks the talk - lets hit the fiscal cliff and see what happens.

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#49 Dec 8, 2012
I hear people saying they want to go over the fiscal cliff but it won't screw the people you think it will screw. The wealthy will have to pay even more, there will be some spending cuts too. But heck, with the wealthy paying more the Dems may decide they don't need to cut all that much. Be careful what you wish for. Boehner knows he has to cut a deal with Obama. He has too. The GOP stand to lose more than the Dems. Heck, Obama has already said he'd sit back and take us over the cliff. He has everything to gain this time. This is not like the debt ceiling disaster. This time, Obama has some leverage and the GOP know it. That's why some are jumping ship.
TonyD2 wrote:
I WANT to go over the fiscal cliff. The only way these fucquers will ever get it is to get a big heaping dose of consequences.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#50 Dec 8, 2012
Karl Monday wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't call you an Anti-Semite in the post you replied to.
I said you linked from a Holocaust Denial site. But you were too chicken to provide the link, WHICH I DID.
You did no such thing neocon puppet.

http://www.al-bushra.org/palestine/did.htm
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#51 Dec 8, 2012
jenny623 wrote:
I hear people saying they want to go over the fiscal cliff but it won't screw the people you think it will screw. The wealthy will have to pay even more, there will be some spending cuts too. But heck, with the wealthy paying more the Dems may decide they don't need to cut all that much. Be careful what you wish for. Boehner knows he has to cut a deal with Obama. He has too. The GOP stand to lose more than the Dems. Heck, Obama has already said he'd sit back and take us over the cliff. He has everything to gain this time. This is not like the debt ceiling disaster. This time, Obama has some leverage and the GOP know it. That's why some are jumping ship.
<quoted text>
The cliff calls for automatic cuts. At this point I'm for it given how nobody has the rocks to do anything about spending. Let's see what happens.

Since: Sep 10

Blue Creek, OH

#53 Dec 8, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
Did you catch that, KOSmik?
More: 73% of Jobs Created in Last 5 Months Have Been Government Jobs [21]
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/12/07/73-of-jo...
Jobs are jobs, Bob. Those were government jobs that got us out of the Great Depression as well.

Why do you so vehemently oppose things that are proven to work, while rabidly defending the policies of failure?

Is that a metaphor for your life?
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#54 Dec 8, 2012
Karl Monday wrote:
<quoted text>
We'll whattaya know!
Your source is paid by the Saudis!
The Saudis do not pay the Pope, neocon puppet.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#55 Dec 8, 2012
Kosmik wrote:
<quoted text>
Jobs are jobs, Bob. Those were government jobs that got us out of the Great Depression as well.
Why do you so vehemently oppose things that are proven to work, while rabidly defending the policies of failure?
Is that a metaphor for your life?
The WPA and CCC had nothing to do with the US emerging from the depression. A little dust-up called WW II did.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#56 Dec 8, 2012
Are you going to call the Catholic media anti semetic, neocon?

==========

Gaza Strip Catholics suffer amid renewed conflict

Gaza City, Nov 20, 2012 / 02:03 am (EWTN News)

The escalating conflict between Palestinians and Israelis has caused the Catholic faithful in Gaza to fear for their lives, while Caritas Jerusalem has suspended most of its humanitarian work in the area.

Father Jorge Hernandez, a Latin Catholic parish priest of Holy Family Parish in Gaza, reported on the situation.

“Do not forget how war is always terrible. In war nobody wins,” he said Nov. 19 in a message on the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem’s website.

“The deafening sound of bombs, insecurity and fear make people live a torture, not only bloody, but also cruel and ruthless both spiritually and mentally,” he added.

The people are “scared.” And the missiles do not show ethics or morality but “simply fall and destroy,” the priest said.

In recent weeks rocket attacks have been launched on Israel by Palestinian militants in Gaza, causing retaliatory airstrikes from the Israeli military. However, the Israeli armed forces launched a military offensive in the Gaza Strip on Nov. 14.

Over the weekend, Israeli forces began attacking homes of Palestinian activists in Hamas, the Islamist group that controls Gaza.

At least 24 Gaza civilians have died in just two days as the Palestinian death toll nears 100, including 53 civilians. About 840 Gazans, including 225 children, have been injured.

Palestinian rockets have killed three Israeli civilians and dozens have been wounded, the Associated Press reports.

Fr. Hernandez stressed the harsh conditions Palestinian civilians face.

“The situation has not changed, but rather worsened day by day,” he said.“The pressure of continuous bombardment day and night is growing ever more as the conflict lasts.”

“The people want nothing more than simply live their lives. We ask all leaders to leave Gaza to live in peace!”

He said the Christian Palestinians suffer from the “unjust aggression” but “resign themselves and put their trust in the Divine Providence of God the Father.”

Priests and religious sisters have been making calls on parishioners to see if they are in need.
“Those with whom we speak are very scared and cannot sleep at night,” Father Pablo De Santo said.

The Missionaries of Charity care for disabled children, who have been put in rooms more protected from the noise of the attacks.

The Congregation of the Sisters of the Rosary live in an area that has suffered intense bombing. Their school’s physical structure was not damaged but its windows were broken.

Caritas Jerusalem, the local affiliate of the international Catholic charity, said Nov. 19 it shut down its mobile clinic and health center “due to the escalation of the bombardments and the life-threatening situation to medical staff.”

It aims to serve the people of Gaza through other ways. Its two coordinators in Gaza City and its project manager in Jerusalem are in “constant contact” with hospitals and health officials to assess the needs of Gazans and to coordinate supplies.

Caritas Jerusalem said there is a “severe shortage” of medical staff in Gaza and an increasing number of injured people are overcrowding hospitals. Doctors face a lack of medical supplies, which Caritas Jerusalem is trying to provide.

Gazans also face immediate needs like drinking water, medication and medical supplies, plastic shields to protect windows from explosive blasts, diapers, and milk formula for babies and toddlers.

“An emergency response in Gaza will only be possible once major hostilities have ceased and the border is reopened,” the charity said.

A threatened ground invasion from Israel could postpone relief efforts for several weeks.

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