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Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#1 Dec 8, 2012
American society has become anti-male. Men are sensing the backlash and are consciously and unconsciously going on strike. They are dropping out of college, leaving the workforce, and avoiding marriage and fatherhood at alarming rates. Other books have addressed this problem in terms of its impact on women; Men on Strike looks at the topic from the viewpoint of men: Why should they participate in a system that seems to be increasingly stacked against them? As the interviews and surveys in this book demonstrate, men aren't dropping out because they're immature man-children. They are acting rationally in response to the lack of incentives society offers them to be responsible fathers, husbands, and providers. Men on Strike describes this phenomenon and offers solutions and action-oriented advice to men, to society, and to the women who love them.

http://www.amazon.com/Men-Strike-Boycotting-M...

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

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#2 Dec 8, 2012
Looks like it's going to be a high-level survey of her data or opinions at 176 pages. Not slamming her perspective an iota, but looks like a possibly interesting read, and tend to agree with the premise. Would love to see if she has any perspectives or insights (direct quotes) from men themselves, expecially.

Still, might be a good read. Will wait until release and see if it goes out on Kindle.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#3 Dec 8, 2012
gokeefe wrote:
Looks like it's going to be a high-level survey of her data or opinions at 176 pages. Not slamming her perspective an iota, but looks like a possibly interesting read, and tend to agree with the premise. Would love to see if she has any perspectives or insights (direct quotes) from men themselves, expecially.
Still, might be a good read. Will wait until release and see if it goes out on Kindle.
If she has half the knack for seeing things as they are of her husband Glenn Reynolds (UT law professor and author of the InstaPundit blog), I'm sure it will be a great book. I'm sure he'll be helping her market come June.

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

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#4 Dec 8, 2012
Enzyte, you would LOVE the men going their own way movement.

http://www.mgtow.com/
notlocal-Serious lady

AOL

#5 Dec 8, 2012
I've felt for years that the most discriminated against group in the US is the white male.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#6 Dec 8, 2012
tranpsosition wrote:
Enzyte, you would LOVE the men going their own way movement.
http://www.mgtow.com/
I am a traditional Catholic more than anything else. The family unit is number one. Women have their place, and do not necessarily need to be subservient to men, but I think we are at a place in time where a lot of women try to dominate men and most men (except for the most wimpy among them) are simply not going to tolerate it.

Like I said before, look at the rate of white bastardy: 3% in 1960 and 25% today. If women can't handle sexual freedom, they shouldn't have it.

The old rules exist for a reason.
Female

Chillicothe, OH

#7 Dec 8, 2012
What can be so wrong with wanting equal opportunity in the work place and equal pay for women? I see alot wrong with those things not being given to women. I think it is selfish to think otherwise, and for men that have this type of attitude must not have very much confidence in themselves.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

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#8 Dec 8, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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I am a traditional Catholic more than anything else. The family unit is number one. Women have their place, and do not necessarily need to be subservient to men, but I think we are at a place in time where a lot of women try to dominate men and most men (except for the most wimpy among them) are simply not going to tolerate it.
Like I said before, look at the rate of white bastardy: 3% in 1960 and 25% today. If women can't handle sexual freedom, they shouldn't have it.
The old rules exist for a reason.
The problem with your premise is this:

If women can't handle sexual freedom, they shouldn't have it.

Domination and one's sexual freedom (or lack thereof) is one of personal, individual choices. Men never have, never really will, control a female's sexual choices. Takes two to tango. Both sexes have to let go of the struggle to control and understand there's a reason that one complements the other. Your statement regarding sexual freedom smacks of sexism, Bobby.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

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#9 Dec 8, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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I am a traditional Catholic more than anything else. The family unit is number one. Women have their place, and do not necessarily need to be subservient to men, but I think we are at a place in time where a lot of women try to dominate men and most men (except for the most wimpy among them) are simply not going to tolerate it.
Like I said before, look at the rate of white bastardy: 3% in 1960 and 25% today. If women can't handle sexual freedom, they shouldn't have it.
The old rules exist for a reason.
Here is where I agree with you (I have to post this after seeing female's ignorant rant): The family unit works well when we realize the strengths and weaknesses of each other, and does not struggle against them but works with them.

As two individual, free-willed individuals, a male and female should be emotionally intelligent enough to be aware of the other's perspective and work together for their common goals. I am really, really unsure of where in the hell female was coming from with her comments about the workplace. Keep the workplace where it belongs. It does not belong in interpersonal, intimate relationships such as marriage. Competition in the workforce does not equate to competition within a relationship for gawd's sake!

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#10 Dec 8, 2012
Female wrote:
What can be so wrong with wanting equal opportunity in the work place and equal pay for women? I see alot wrong with those things not being given to women. I think it is selfish to think otherwise, and for men that have this type of attitude must not have very much confidence in themselves.
Read and learn:

The gender wage gap is a myth
http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-07-26/co...

The 'paycheck fairness' myth

A difference, in any event, does not prove discrimination. Most Broadway theatergoers are female, but not because playwrights have an animus toward males. The gap reflects many benign factors stemming from the choices voluntarily made by women and men. Same with the pay gap.

Women, on average, work fewer hours and are more likely than men to take time off for family duties. A 2009 report commissioned by the U.S. Labor Department concluded that such "factors account for a major portion and, possibly, almost all of the raw gender wage gap."
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-06-07...

The Department of Labor’s Time Use Survey, for example, finds that the average full-time working man spends 8.14 hours a day on the job, compared to 7.75 hours for the full-time working woman. Employees who work more likely earn more. Men working five percent longer than women alone explains about one-quarter of the wage gap.

There are numerous other factors that affect pay. Most fundamentally, men and women tend to gravitate toward different industries. Feminists may charge that women are socialized into lower-paying sectors of the economy. But women considering the decisions they’ve made likely have a different view. Women tend to seek jobs with regular hours, more comfortable conditions, little travel, and greater personal fulfillment. Often times, women are willing to trade higher pay for jobs with other characteristics that they find attractive.

Men, in contrast, often take jobs with less desirable characteristics in pursuit of higher pay. They work long hours and overnight shifts. They tar roofs in the sun, drive trucks across the country, toil in sewer systems, stand watch as prison guards, and risk injury on fishing boats, in coal mines, and in production plants. Such jobs pay more than others because otherwise no one would want to do them.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/04/...
notlocal-Serious lady

AOL

#11 Dec 8, 2012
Female wrote:
What can be so wrong with wanting equal opportunity in the work place and equal pay for women? I see alot wrong with those things not being given to women. I think it is selfish to think otherwise, and for men that have this type of attitude must not have very much confidence in themselves.
See, I am a woman and work and I just don't see unequal treatment of women or unequal pay. You produce, you get promoted. You make the company $, you see it in your paycheck.

I do see my nephew and my husband treated unequally because they are white men, non-military. Not that there was any war for them to serve in. Minority hiring quotas and minority bid discounts are alive and well.

Anyone who owns a company should put it in his wife's name.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#12 Dec 8, 2012
notlocal-Seriouslady wrote:
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See, I am a woman and work and I just don't see unequal treatment of women or unequal pay. You produce, you get promoted. You make the company $, you see it in your paycheck.
I do see my nephew and my husband treated unequally because they are white men, non-military. Not that there was any war for them to serve in. Minority hiring quotas and minority bid discounts are alive and well.
Anyone who owns a company should put it in his wife's name.
None of that matters if the family unit is strong. Of course everybody has financial pressures and wants to better themselves, but a strong family unit and working together as a team helps you muddle through.

I am not against assertive women. What I am against is women who want to have their own way all the time and seek to dominate men. You know who they are ... you see these unhappy shrews in the workplace all the time. Likewise, I realize men can be jerks too.

Bottom line is that here are lots of unhappy people all over the place and I believe they are unhappy because they are chasing the wrong things.

I have a great benefit in being financially self-sufficient and not having to answer to anybody. That takes a lot of my stress away ... I realize that also helps keep my personal life calm. However, I still believe the financial stuff wouldn't matter if more people took the attitude of being on the same team as opposed to an entire nation full of people with an entitlement mentality who think someone owes them something.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

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#13 Dec 8, 2012
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>
Read and learn:
The gender wage gap is a myth
http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-07-26/co...
The 'paycheck fairness' myth
A difference, in any event, does not prove discrimination. Most Broadway theatergoers are female, but not because playwrights have an animus toward males. The gap reflects many benign factors stemming from the choices voluntarily made by women and men. Same with the pay gap.
Women, on average, work fewer hours and are more likely than men to take time off for family duties. A 2009 report commissioned by the U.S. Labor Department concluded that such "factors account for a major portion and, possibly, almost all of the raw gender wage gap."
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-06-07...
The Department of Labor’s Time Use Survey, for example, finds that the average full-time working man spends 8.14 hours a day on the job, compared to 7.75 hours for the full-time working woman. Employees who work more likely earn more. Men working five percent longer than women alone explains about one-quarter of the wage gap.
There are numerous other factors that affect pay. Most fundamentally, men and women tend to gravitate toward different industries. Feminists may charge that women are socialized into lower-paying sectors of the economy. But women considering the decisions they’ve made likely have a different view. Women tend to seek jobs with regular hours, more comfortable conditions, little travel, and greater personal fulfillment. Often times, women are willing to trade higher pay for jobs with other characteristics that they find attractive.
Men, in contrast, often take jobs with less desirable characteristics in pursuit of higher pay. They work long hours and overnight shifts. They tar roofs in the sun, drive trucks across the country, toil in sewer systems, stand watch as prison guards, and risk injury on fishing boats, in coal mines, and in production plants. Such jobs pay more than others because otherwise no one would want to do them.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/04/...
I will have to add to this, just out of personal experience.

Women likely DO work fewer hours, at least *I* did (although, I have to make a confession here--my wages WERE roughly equivalent to, and occasionally HIGHER than my ex's). Reason being I had the primary responsibility of herding, shuffling, overseeing the kiddie movements (think military tactics). So what? I just happened to be in the same industry with the same type of job as my ex so hence the similar salaries. We also were both salaried, which doesn't always boil down to an equivalent hourly wage (when you consider such things as bonuses, benefits, etc.)

When he made more money, was not an issue for me. So what? The goal was to support the family financially. It really wasn't a competition. Years earlier, he did make a lot more money, just because he was in the industry earlier than me, and I didn't work the first several years of the marriage.

Are we being shortsighted when it comes to the issue that Enzyte bought up? Why does the issue of workforce competition and compensation have to be drug into the realm of why we are seeing fewer and fewer males "man up" (term used in my day) and marrying and creating stable families and more and more women having kids as single women, often with multiple baby daddies? I've noticed this increasingly over the years and it's always flabbergasted me why these issues were crossed-over.
Female

Chillicothe, OH

#15 Dec 8, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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I am a traditional Catholic more than anything else. The family unit is number one. Women have their place, and do not necessarily need to be subservient to men, but I think we are at a place in time where a lot of women try to dominate men and most men (except for the most wimpy among them) are simply not going to tolerate it.
Like I said before, look at the rate of white bastardy: 3% in 1960 and 25% today. If women can't handle sexual freedom, they shouldn't have it.
The old rules exist for a reason.
When you made the statement "Women have their place" just what is meant by that? I guess your fear of being a wimpy man is in control of all your thoughts. Are you a wimpy man, sounds like it, or you would not bring it up. As far as children being born out of wedlock, men need to also be responsible for birth control. I did not speak about domination of men, I said equality, and that goes for in a relationship or in the workplace.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

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#16 Dec 8, 2012
Female wrote:
<quoted text>When you made the statement "Women have their place" just what is meant by that? I guess your fear of being a wimpy man is in control of all your thoughts. Are you a wimpy man, sounds like it, or you would not bring it up. As far as children being born out of wedlock, men need to also be responsible for birth control. I did not speak about domination of men, I said equality, and that goes for in a relationship or in the workplace.
I wonder just how clueless you ARE?

What do you think the most recent war over the funding of birth control and reproductive services was about? If you are EQUAL to a man, don't you have a responsibility to PAY something for it, just as a man would have to in order to obtain a vasectomy or a prostate cancer treatment?

Just wonderin'...and whistlin' as I stroll along, laughing.

“Don't trust the internet!”

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#18 Dec 8, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
American society has become anti-male. Men are sensing the backlash and are consciously and unconsciously going on strike. They are dropping out of college, leaving the workforce, and avoiding marriage and fatherhood at alarming rates. Other books have addressed this problem in terms of its impact on women; Men on Strike looks at the topic from the viewpoint of men: Why should they participate in a system that seems to be increasingly stacked against them? As the interviews and surveys in this book demonstrate, men aren't dropping out because they're immature man-children. They are acting rationally in response to the lack of incentives society offers them to be responsible fathers, husbands, and providers. Men on Strike describes this phenomenon and offers solutions and action-oriented advice to men, to society, and to the women who love them.
http://www.amazon.com/Men-Strike-Boycotting-M...
Just begs the question of what the incentives are for women to be responsible mothers and providers. Hard to escape the reality that women not only continue to share the larger share of responsibility when it comes to home/family, but have also taken on a larger share of providing economically.

“Don't trust the internet!”

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#19 Dec 8, 2012
gokeefe wrote:
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I wonder just how clueless you ARE?
What do you think the most recent war over the funding of birth control and reproductive services was about? If you are EQUAL to a man, don't you have a responsibility to PAY something for it, just as a man would have to in order to obtain a vasectomy or a prostate cancer treatment?
Just wonderin'...and whistlin' as I stroll along, laughing.
Ummmm, you saying that those things are not covered services?

“Queen of my domain”

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#20 Dec 8, 2012
Karl Monday wrote:
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Illegitmacy is on the rise because of the declining respect for the old order. This isn't just a female concept, presumably some men have no problem with not being married.
I'm still unclear of where the issues of employment compensation and professional equality fall into this argument though.

And no, I'm not dense. Think.(The lack of thought is what brought this issue to the forefront?)

“Queen of my domain”

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#21 Dec 8, 2012
Karl Monday wrote:
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The whole reason the birth control mess started was to beat up an unpopular group (celibate Catholic bishops) to court a demographic that would re-elect the president.
Agreed, wholeheartedly, as a Catholic. It was a demographic used as a political pawn.

“Queen of my domain”

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#22 Dec 8, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
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Ummmm, you saying that those things are not covered services?
Ummmm, are you aware that b/c is to be provided without a CO-PAY? Whereas vasectomies and other reproductive services for men ARE required to have a CO-PAY?

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