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Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#48 Feb 27, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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Nebraska:
21st in crude oil production
27th in natural gas production
The evidence is in: Ohio doesn't need a severance tax in order to roll back its income tax.
You sound like one of those people who charges their kids rent or who doesn't believe in passing on their inheritance.

What do you have against people in California using Ohio natural gas (for example) sending money here? Why should Ohio residents be stuck with the full tab if there's a way to get others to pay for it.

Spook is all about his own interest, but that doesn't excuse your faulty logic.

If you're that stuck on principle then stop getting Giant Eagle and its customers to pitch in for the cost of your gasoline! In effect, you're saying that Ohio taxpayers shouldn't get the full benefit from their Giant Eagle points via the severance tax.

Pay for your gasoline 100% yourself like you're asking Ohio taxpaers to.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#50 Feb 27, 2013
You cannot kill a Spook wrote:
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Wendys bought the meat thus it is theirs to sell for what ever they care too. The State doesn't own the oil I produce nor the gas thus rhey have no right to tax it at any rate. What about that do you not understand? Are you so brainwashed by eastern euro trash concepts you do not believe that something doesn't belong to the government?
Well, you're paying part of the cost to run Texas' government every time you fill up your tank. Why shouldn't Kentucky, Alabama or whoever gets our gas do the same and chip in to pay some Ohio taxes?
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#51 Feb 27, 2013
You cannot kill a Spook wrote:
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Are you smoking your clients crack?
Just because one entity charges a tax or does something does not mean all entities most do the same.
For some things you charge a competitive price, for other things you charge what the market will bear. Natural Gas is one of those things where you charge the going rate, and that includes taxes.

We don't need to have "low taxes" on this on this one. Chevron's coming here and it's coming out of the ground whether taxes are low or high.

I doubt you would think that a severance tax that is 1/45th of Texas' severance tax is a fair deal. In fact, if you thought of yourself as an "owner" of the State of Ohio, you would DEMAND that Ohio gets what's coming to it (within reason, of course).

Besides Spook baby, I didn't see you screaming when gas is $4 plus a gallon. Likewise, you shouldn't scream when the State of Ohio gets its FAIR share, with its share reducing what they pull out of my pocket to run the government.

Like I said, this is EXACTLY like the casinos. Ohio taxpayers were funding Indiana and PA government. Likewise, we are funding Texas government through their taxes. Time to grab some of that money and have it come back here.

You people have no sense of protecting your turf.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#54 Feb 27, 2013
You cannot kill a Spook wrote:
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You are clueless about the oil and gas industry aren't you?
Not really. If the going rate for a barrel of oil is $100, then that's the going rate. What Ohio charges or doesn't charge in severance tax has nothing to do with the market price.

If Ohio doesn't get what's coming to it, then you get it.

Texas does get what's coming to it. That means Exxon pays them tax, and when I buy gasoline I pay Exxon to reimburse them for the tax.

In other words, money comes out of my pocket to reimburse Exxon for what they paid to Texas.

Simple if you ask me. EVERYBODY charges what the market will bear.

Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#57 Feb 27, 2013
You cannot kill a Spook wrote:
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So how does Ohio deserve more of my money?
Like I said, if you were looking at this from the standpoint of what's in the best interests of the State as opposed to what's coming out of your pocket, there can be only ONE answer. If Ohio residents have to pitch in to cover Rick Perry's salary by virtue of their severance tax, then we should get back some of the same money from the people who live in Alabama and Virginia.

This is exactly like the casino issue. No way around it. You just don't like it because it's going to hit you directly. Sometimes, that's what happens.
You cannot kill a Spook wrote:
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Why do you or a Honda plant lacky deserve to pay less?
Why do I or the Honda lackey have to pay Texas taxes without getting the same opportunity to pull some of that money back?

You wanna pay zero tax, lobby Texas to cut their severance tax. When I'm no longer paying money to fund Texas' government, I'll be okay with Tennessee gas customers no longer paying ours!
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#59 Feb 27, 2013
You cannot kill a Spook wrote:
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What is good for Ohio is to cut government not to increasing my taxes so that you pay less.
So I should chip in to help pay the taxes in Texas, but people who use Ohio's energy shouldn't have to chip in to pay taxes in Ohio?

This is like someone charging you to use the bathrooms at a gas station, with the owner of the gas station comes over to your business and using your toilet for free. This makes no sense and you know it.
You cannot kill a Spook wrote:
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Fuel is market driven so increasing taxes in Ohio will not make fuel cheaper.
That's exactly my point. The price of fuel won't go up no matter how high the Ohio severance tax is, at least within a range. It is based on market forces. And those market forces price the severance tax into the cost of energy.

However, if Ohio is taking ZERO tax when everybody else is, that means someone gets to keep 100.0% of the revenue derived from that energy instead of the 92.5% the market prices into the energy to determine the market price.

Bottom line is that you get a 7.5% windfall based on a market distortion, and I get stuck paying more taxes to the State of Ohio!

I don't want a dollar more than anybody else is getting, nor a dollar less and especially not 1/45 of what someone is getting.

This has nothing to do with conservative or liberal. This is just smart versus dumb.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#61 Feb 27, 2013
You cannot kill a Spook wrote:
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What is the state of ohio doing to produce the oil?
What is the state of Texas doing to produce the oil?

Get them to take their severance tax to zero, and then I'll agree with you. Until then, I want our tax coffers to benefit from our natural gas, just like Texas does.

Address the logic. If a gas station owner charges you to use the bathroom, would you let him use yours for free?

But more to the point it's like all the free trade policies where we used to let Japan sell as many cars as they wanted here but we couldn't sell American cars there (not that anybody would have wanted them).

You scratch my back, I scratch yours.

Since: Aug 12

United States

#64 Feb 27, 2013
Doesnt the majority of ohios crude come from Canada?
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#65 Feb 27, 2013
You cannot kill a Spook wrote:
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You are not logical. You premise amounts to a pick pocket taking what is in a mans left pants pocket but since he has some folding money in his right front pocket you believe it.is ok that a.different.pick pocket steal that too.
Increasing taxes is not beneficial. If you think that every drop of gasoline you buy benefits Texas then you lobby Texas to lower there taxes or figure a way to buy fuel only made.from Ohio crude. To expect me to pay more taxes is insane.
LOL ... you're the one who isn't logical.

If other states have a severance tax, then we should have one too. Not having a severance tax while our money leaves the state to other states is like letting people use your yard, your property, your water, your food for free. If someone charges for water, I'm going to charge them when they need it from me. What don't you understand about that?

Let's face it, you just want to squirm out of paying tax. Nothing wrong with that, nobody likes to pay tax. But that's what it boils down to. Otherwise, there is no justification for fairly miniscule taxes when other states have tax rates that are much higher.

Your ONLY justification for not having a higher tax is if there is some inherent difficulty in operating in Ohio that makes thing uneconomical to the producer and it's not like you guys are drilling in the Arctic.

Unless you can show that, you have no argument for anything other than a level playing field.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#66 Feb 27, 2013
UdintBuildThat wrote:
Doesnt the majority of ohios crude come from Canada?
Did somebody say Canada?

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The report outlines the main recommendations: the implementation of a new Oil Sands Severance Tax, effectively a new super-royalty, at a sliding scale rate of 1 percent to 9 percent between a WTI price of C$40 and C$120 per barrel; increasing the net royalty rate after payout from the current level of 25 percent to 33 percent; and introducing a new royalty credit, based on 5 percent of the cost of upgrading facilities constructed in Alberta. The report also suggests alterations to conventional oil and gas royalties.

http://www.petroleumnews.com/pntruncate/62586...
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#67 Feb 27, 2013
So we should pay taxes to Canada, but everybody else should get a free ride in Ohio?
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#68 Feb 27, 2013
Oil severance taxes by state:

http://www.slideshare.net/alaskaenergydudesdi...

Another conservatard phony. The severance tax in Sarah Palin land is 25%

LMAO.

It's like Wise American said about you conservatards. Sometimes you people are so blinded by dogma, you're not smart enough to know that when that are pissing in your corn flakes while they're telling you it's raining!

USE YOUR HEADS!

Since: Aug 12

United States

#69 Feb 27, 2013
So its a fairness issue with you and not something that actually pertains to the states revenue requirement?
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Neener neener if big sister doesnt have to why do I.... right....
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#70 Feb 27, 2013
^^^ It's like Wise American said about you conservatards. Sometimes you people are so blinded by dogma, you're not smart enough to know when people are pissing in your corn flakes while they're telling you it's raining!(or something like that)
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#71 Feb 27, 2013
Just in case the link didn't work:

http://goo.gl/ocXaa

Oil severance taxes by state!

Another conservatard phony. The severance tax in Sarah Palin land is 25%

LMAO.

It's like Wise American said about you conservatards. Sometimes you people are so blinded by dogma, you're not smart enough to know when people are pissing in your corn flakes while they're telling you it's raining!(or something like that)

USE YOUR HEADS!
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#72 Feb 27, 2013
UdintBuildThat wrote:
So its a fairness issue with you and not something that actually pertains to the states revenue requirement?
.
Neener neener if big sister doesnt have to why do I.... right....
It has nothing to do with fair or not fair. That's just the way things are done.

If I'm going to pay to run the Canadian government by virtue of filling up every week, why shouldn't I try to get Canadians to throw money back this way when they use our gas?

I'm not going to fall on my sword to maintain some kind of dogmatic purity if nobody else is. That's stupid.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#74 Feb 28, 2013
You cannot kill a Spook wrote:
What is it in your little brain that makes you think that a government has a right to.do.something because another government does it? Where do you get the idea that the.State.of.Ohio owns the oil inder my land?
So, you're okay with paying to use someone else's bathroom and letting them come over to use yours for free?

You can't be that stupid? NOBODY is going to allow that to happen.

Did you see the list? Practically EVERY state has higher taxes than Ohio.

There's no free lunch, bubba. You've been getting a free lunch up 'til now. If you don't like it, try your hand at another business.

Face it. You just don't want to pay the tax. That's all this is about. Otherwise, what person is going to be dumb enough to give free stuff away while others charge for it?

Politically speaking do you think most people can't see through all this?
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#75 Feb 28, 2013
You cannot kill a Spook wrote:
Are such a damn brainwashed.com mie that you believe.everything belongs.to and was created by government?
The government needs money to run, that's neither commie nor non-commie. Where they get it is up to the political process. All I'm asking for is parity.

The chart below shows you have a VERY weak argument. Furthermore, you operate in neighboring states, don't you? So you can pay tax to West Virginia but not Ohio.

FUNNIEST THING ABOUT THIS LIST IS THAT IT INCLUDES MOST OF YOU CONSERVATARDS' BASTIONS OF "RED STATE PROPSERITY" - LMAO. ALL WITH SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER TAXES THAN "LOW TAX" OHIO.

LMFAO!

THIS IS WHY THE CONSERVATARDS LOST ME. YOU'RE AS MUCH OF A BUNCH OF STUPID LEMMINGS AS THE LEFTIES ARE. JUST LOOK AT THE FREAKING LIST!!!

LOOK AT YOUR FAUX NEWS BASTIONS OF SMALL GOVERNMENT ... LMAO ... ALL WITH HIGHER TAXES THAN OHIO!!!

-Indiana ("low tax" Mitch Daniels),
-Nebraska,
-Alabama ("low tax" red state),
-Kansas,
-Kentucky,
-South Dakota ("low tax" red state bastion of prosperity),
-Texas ("low tax" red state bastion of prosperity doofus Rick Perry) L! M! F! A! O!
-Arkansas,
-West Virginia,
-Utah ("low tax" Mormon red state bastion of prosperity),
-Mississippi ("low tax" Haley Barbour red state bastion of prosperity),
-Wyoming,
-Oklahoma,
-Florida,
-North Dakota ("low tax" red state bastion of prosperity),
-Louisiana ("low tax" Bobby Jindal red state bastion of prosperity),
-Montana
-Alaska

L! M! F! A! O!
L! M! F! A! O!
L! M! F! A! O!
L! M! F! A! O!

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COMPLETE LIST:

States with lower oil severance taxes than Ohio:

Iowa
New York
Pennsylvania
Ohio

States with higher oil severance taxes than Ohio:
California
Indiana
Nebraska
New Mexico
Alabama
Kansas
Kentucky
South Dakota
Texas
Arkansas
Illinois
Colorado
West Virginia
Utah
Mississippi
Wyoming
Michigan
Oklahoma
Florida
North Dakota
Louisiana
Montana
Alaska
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#76 Feb 28, 2013
Facts are a bitch, aren't they?
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#78 Feb 28, 2013
You cannot kill a Spook wrote:
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You have to be a damn communist.
You pay taxes to WV and Kentucky don't you? You can't pay the SAME tax to your home state?

Greed.

Did you look at that list? It's all you're "small government" low tax bastions of prosperity ... Texas, North Dakota, Indiana, Bobby Jindal land, Sarah Palin land ... all the examples the Faux News crowd holds out as shining examples of low taxes and small government.

BULL CRAP.

Parity is all I want and your argument against it is weak.

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