Gay teacher fired by Catholic school claims discrimination

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Carla Hale, 59, a lesbian P.E. teacher, has filed a grievance against the diocese of the Ohio Catholic school where she worked for 19 years until administrators fired her for "violating moral law." According to The Columbus Dispatch , Hale's sexual orientation became public when an obituary for her late mother published Hale's name along with the ... (more)

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“animis opibusque parati”

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#1845 May 28, 2013
"...archdiocesan officials recognize they employ and teach non-Catholics in their schools, but 'that said, we are a Catholic institution,(and) we expect our teachers not to be in open violation of Catholic teachings. If we are aware of anyone violating Catholic teachings, we will enforce the contract, male or female.'"

[Quinlan case]

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#1846 May 28, 2013
-tip- wrote:
"...archdiocesan officials recognize they employ and teach non-Catholics in their schools, but 'that said, we are a Catholic institution,(and) we expect our teachers not to be in open violation of Catholic teachings. If we are aware of anyone violating Catholic teachings, we will enforce the contract, male or female.'"
[Quinlan case]
What was the ruling in that case? And what was the basis for the ruling?

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#1847 May 28, 2013
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Ms. Hale clearly broke the terms of her contract.
Keep trying.
Not so clear. The contract, as I have seen it quoted, is fairly vague as to what constitutes immoral conduct.

However, the Diaz case seems to deal with very similar issues.

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#1848 May 28, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Not so clear. The contract, as I have seen it quoted, is fairly vague as to what constitutes immoral conduct.
However, the Diaz case seems to deal with very similar issues.
Morality, as defined by RCC teaching, is very clear.
Keep trying.

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#1849 May 28, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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What was the ruling in that case? And what was the basis for the ruling?
No spoon feeding today.

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#1850 May 28, 2013
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Morality, as defined by RCC teaching, is very clear.
Keep trying.
The contract is less specific.

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#1851 May 28, 2013
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No spoon feeding today.
IOW, you haven't a clue.

You have offered the argument of one side as if it was a conclusion. What matters is how the court ruled.

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#1852 May 28, 2013
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IOW, you haven't a clue.
You have offered the argument of one side as if it was a conclusion. What matters is how the court ruled.
You obviously haven't done your research on these cases.

Uve

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#1853 May 28, 2013
-tip- wrote:
"...archdiocesan officials recognize they employ and teach non-Catholics in their schools, but 'that said, we are a Catholic institution,(and) we expect our teachers not to be in open violation of Catholic teachings. If we are aware of anyone violating Catholic teachings, we will enforce the contract, male or female.'"
[Quinlan case]
This isn't pertinent. You guys lost this..Sorry to say but with child molestation..BTW- Child molesters are NOT gay, they are 'CHILD MOLESTERS'..and it is very sad indeed.

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#1854 May 28, 2013
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Opposing typical LGBTQ behaviors of sodomy, elective abortion, STD proliferation, and pornography is not a phobia, or an irrational fear.
Also, sodomy is not sex. "Anal sex" is an oxymoron.
Playing word games will not help your cause.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/h...
http://www.cdc.gov/std/HIV/default.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/std/syphilis/STDFact-MSM-S...
I have NO CAUSE at all. I'll let the doctors and researchers study that stuff.

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#1855 May 29, 2013
Uve wrote:
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This isn't pertinent. You guys lost this..Sorry to say but with child molestation..BTW- Child molesters are NOT gay, they are 'CHILD MOLESTERS'..and it is very sad indeed.
What is the price of tea in China today?

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#1856 May 29, 2013
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You obviously haven't done your research on these cases.
You were the one who introduced the case.

Have you done YOUR homework?

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#1857 May 29, 2013
Uve wrote:
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This isn't pertinent. You guys lost this..
No, twink...she lost. Her own union threw her under the bus.

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#1858 May 29, 2013
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You were the one who introduced the case.
Have you done YOUR homework?
The Dias and Quinlan cases are ongoing and frequently referenced together. I assumed your research would have informed you.

Dias:

Artificially-inseminated, pregnant, lesbian teacher sues Archdiocese for what she deems wrongful termination.

Steve Goodin, attorney for Archdiocese: "There was no discrimination...Dias was fired for intentionally violating a contract...The evidence will show that Dias never really intended to abide by the contract." He said she kept the fact that she was gay a secret because she knew the church doesn't approve of homosexual acts. "That all goes to her credibility," he said.

Quinlan:

Pregnant, unmarried teacher sues Archdiocese for what she deems wrongful termination.

Steve Goodin, attorney for Archdiocese: Employees must "comply with and act consistently in accordance with the stated philosophy and teachings" of the Catholic church and the schools' policies and directives.

Hale:

Ditto.

Contract law prevails.
A person is only as good as their word.

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#1859 May 29, 2013
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The Dias and Quinlan cases are ongoing and frequently referenced together. I assumed your research would have informed you.
Dias:
Artificially-inseminated, pregnant, lesbian teacher sues Archdiocese for what she deems wrongful termination.
Steve Goodin, attorney for Archdiocese: "There was no discrimination...Dias was fired for intentionally violating a contract...The evidence will show that Dias never really intended to abide by the contract." He said she kept the fact that she was gay a secret because she knew the church doesn't approve of homosexual acts. "That all goes to her credibility," he said.
Quinlan:
Pregnant, unmarried teacher sues Archdiocese for what she deems wrongful termination.
Steve Goodin, attorney for Archdiocese: Employees must "comply with and act consistently in accordance with the stated philosophy and teachings" of the Catholic church and the schools' policies and directives.
Hale:
Ditto.
Contract law prevails.
A person is only as good as their word.
Sorry--the argument in an ongoing case is nothing at all like a decision.

The most recent pertinent decision that I am aware of is the Michigan case, and it clearly drew a distinction between employees who are educated for and engage in ministerial work and others whose teaching is secular.

Looks like the Church is going to claim homosexuality in the Diaz case (rather than insemination). Should be interesting. But the precedent wouldn't necessarily carry over to Columbus, as I don't believe that Cinci has any employment protection for gays.

And as I have pointed out frequently, your notion that contract law trumps everything else is simply wrong.

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#1860 May 29, 2013
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Sorry--the argument in an ongoing case is nothing at all like a decision.
The most recent pertinent decision that I am aware of is the Michigan case, and it clearly drew a distinction between employees who are educated for and engage in ministerial work and others whose teaching is secular.
Looks like the Church is going to claim homosexuality in the Diaz case (rather than insemination). Should be interesting. But the precedent wouldn't necessarily carry over to Columbus, as I don't believe that Cinci has any employment protection for gays.
And as I have pointed out frequently, your notion that contract law trumps everything else is simply wrong.
Again, research would prove beneficial to you.

With regard to the Dias case, please note:

Dias argued that the morals clause in her contract, which prohibits pregnancy out of wedlock, violated pregnancy discrimination laws, but the court found last week that this clause is protected under the 6th Circuit's 1996 decision, Boyd v. Harding Academy of Memphis Inc.

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U.S. District Court Judge Arthur Spiegel did grant the church summary judgment on the contract claim, noting that Dias has "admitted she was in a long-term homosexual relationship during her employment, and that she kept such fact secret from defendants as she knew defendants would view her relationship as a violation of the morals clause."

"Under such circumstances, the court finds plaintiff, with 'unclean hands,' cannot invoke a cause of action based on a contract she knew she was breaching," he wrote.

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Her discrimination claim remains alive only insofar as she can demonstrate that it was not enforced in a "gender-neutral" manner.

Good luck.
And we shall see.

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#1861 May 29, 2013
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U.S. District Court Judge Arthur Spiegel did grant the church summary judgment on the contract claim, noting that Dias has "admitted she was in a long-term homosexual relationship during her employment, and that she kept such fact secret from defendants as she knew defendants would view her relationship as a violation of the morals clause."
"Under such circumstances, the court finds plaintiff, with 'unclean hands,' cannot invoke a cause of action based on a contract she knew she was breaching," he wrote.
Re-read for clarity, Carla fans.

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#1862 May 29, 2013
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<quoted text>No, twink...she lost. Her own union threw her under the bus.
That's what happens when you edit a post moron, you miss the point.
Orly Oh

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#1863 May 31, 2013
Let us pray the gay daily prayer...

Our sacred Victim, Diversity is true, hallowed be thy domestic and foreign crusades.

Thy democracy come, equality be done, on the Potomac as it is in Tel Aviv.

Give us this day our daily social justice, and forgive us our prejudice, as we exploit those that toil and pay taxes, and lead us not into decency, but deliver us from oppressor class hatred.

For thy is the new world order, the hegemony, the multicultural power, the Politically Correct freedoms, and the holiest of pyramid schemes, forever and ever.

Amyn

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#1864 May 31, 2013
Orly Oh wrote:
Let us pray the gay daily prayer...
Our sacred Victim, Diversity is true, hallowed be thy domestic and foreign crusades.
Thy democracy come, equality be done, on the Potomac as it is in Tel Aviv.
Give us this day our daily social justice, and forgive us our prejudice, as we exploit those that toil and pay taxes, and lead us not into decency, but deliver us from oppressor class hatred.
For thy is the new world order, the hegemony, the multicultural power, the Politically Correct freedoms, and the holiest of pyramid schemes, forever and ever.
Amyn
I'd pray for intellect if I were you..

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