Gay teacher fired by Catholic school claims discrimination

Apr 23, 2013 Full story: World Magazine 1,746

Carla Hale, 59, a lesbian P.E. teacher, has filed a grievance against the diocese of the Ohio Catholic school where she worked for 19 years until administrators fired her for "violating moral law." According to The Columbus Dispatch , Hale's sexual orientation became public when an obituary for her late mother published Hale's name along with the ... (more)

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Since: Apr 13

Columbus, OH

#1382 May 6, 2013
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Repetition is the key to learning:
Paul stated repeatedly that Christians are not under the Old Testament Law. In Galatians 2:15–16 he wrote, "A man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ." In Romans 7:4 Paul stated, "You also died to the law through the body of Christ." In Galatians 3:25 he declared, "Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law." Paul argued vigorously against Christians returning to the Old Testament Law.
Jesus said in Matthew 5:17, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Jesus did not claim that He came to observe the Law or to keep the Law; rather He came to fulfill it. Jesus was saying that He did not come to sweep away the righteous demands of the Law, but that He came to fulfill its righteous demands. In addition, Jesus was the final Interpreter of and Authority over the Law and its meaning, as other passages in Matthew indicate. Jesus restated some of the Old Testament laws (19:18–19); some He modified (5:31–32); some He intensified (5:21–22, 27–28 ); and, others He changed significantly (5:33–37, 38–42, 43–47). Some laws He abrogated entirely (Mark 7:15–19). Jesus was not advocating the continuation of the traditional Jewish approach of adherence to the Law, nor was He advocating that the Law be dismissed altogether. He was proclaiming that the meaning of the Law must be interpreted in light of His coming and in light of the profound changes introduced by the New Covenant through his sacrifice.
No matter which translation you read, God's condemnation of homosexual practice was clearly restated in the New Testament, in Romans 1:26-27:
"...Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."
That's what Paul said. Paul was not Jesus. Paul thought a little too much of himself and oddly did not teach the same principles as Christ.

Again we are stuck with something that we don't know that was actually written by Paul, or even if it was, what did the original writing say? The early Catholics decided what went in and what got left out as they also translated the early writings to Latin.

If one is a Christian, they tend to follow the teachings of Christ. Many claim this but are easily diverted to teachings that weren't of Christ himself.

Since: Apr 13

Columbus, OH

#1383 May 6, 2013
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Jesus called "the sinners and publicans" to repentance.
Without repentance, there is no salvation.
Luke 5:30-32
And the Pharisees and their scribes grumbled at his disciples, saying,“Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?” And Jesus answered them,“Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.”
Some parsing there...

Jesus made it clear to those in the temple they were on the wrong path.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#1384 May 6, 2013
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What do you not understand about execution not being prescribed as a penalty for adultery in the Christian church?
Perhaps you were thinking of the Quran....
Ok, I'll bite. Why shouldn't Muslims be allowed to perform honor killings in this country?
Duke for Mayor

Massillon, OH

#1385 May 6, 2013
I'll take blasphemy for $800.00, Alex.

woof
Duke for Mayor

Massillon, OH

#1386 May 6, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
Why doesn't the church advocate the stoning to death of adulterers in their midst?
There would be nobody left to put money in the baskets, silly goose.

woof

“animis opibusque parati”

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#1387 May 6, 2013
St of Circumstance wrote:
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That's what Paul said. Paul was not Jesus. Paul thought a little too much of himself and oddly did not teach the same principles as Christ.
Again we are stuck with something that we don't know that was actually written by Paul, or even if it was, what did the original writing say? The early Catholics decided what went in and what got left out as they also translated the early writings to Latin.
If one is a Christian, they tend to follow the teachings of Christ. Many claim this but are easily diverted to teachings that weren't of Christ himself.
Because God Almighty is incapable of preserving His Word forever, as He promised?/s

FACT: Same-sex behaviors are consistently condemned in both the OT and NT, as well as the writings of early church fathers.

Like Reader, when the truth -- even Eternal Truth -- conflicts with your personal ideology, you reject truth.

“animis opibusque parati”

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#1388 May 6, 2013
St of Circumstance wrote:
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Some parsing there...
Jesus made it clear to those in the temple they were on the wrong path.
That Jesus...always parsing words./s

“animis opibusque parati”

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#1389 May 6, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Ok, I'll bite. Why shouldn't Muslims be allowed to perform honor killings in this country?
Get back to me on that one after you research the price of tea in China.

Since: Apr 13

Columbus, OH

#1390 May 6, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
I'll take blasphemy for $800.00, Alex.
woof
Too funny Duke.

Since: Apr 13

Columbus, OH

#1391 May 6, 2013
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Because God Almighty is incapable of preserving His Word forever, as He promised?/s
FACT: Same-sex behaviors are consistently condemned in both the OT and NT, as well as the writings of early church fathers.
Like Reader, when the truth -- even Eternal Truth -- conflicts with your personal ideology, you reject truth.
Well, the 'Almighty's' word hasn't been preserved. It's been prevaricated, perverted, and twisted.

The First Council of Nicaea was in 325 a.d., it only takes 1 minute for a phrase to be whispered into an ear and passed on to a dozen more for it to come out incorrect.

That council disregarded much of Jesus' life and most importantly the time he spent on earth after being ressurected. The earliest believers were basically stomped out by what is now known as the Catholic Church.

You mentioned 'repetition' in a prior post. Is like repeating a lie enough until it is accepted as truth?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#1392 May 6, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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She appealed under the terms of the contract.
As her appeal was turned down, what remains are two claims (according to her lawyer's statement). One is that the contract was ambiguous with regard to "morality." The second is that the Diocese violated the Columbus City ordinance that prohibits employment discrimination based on sexuality.
The Columbus City ordinance doesn't trump contract law nor the First Amendment.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#1393 May 6, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Not at all certain that is relevant.
Particularly since the passage of the Columbus ordinance.
Columbus city ordinances don't supercede contract law.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#1394 May 6, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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You're not an attorney, are you?
No.

You are an attorney?

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

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#1395 May 6, 2013
St of Circumstance wrote:
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Well, the 'Almighty's' word hasn't been preserved. It's been prevaricated, perverted, and twisted.
The First Council of Nicaea was in 325 a.d., it only takes 1 minute for a phrase to be whispered into an ear and passed on to a dozen more for it to come out incorrect.
That council disregarded much of Jesus' life and most importantly the time he spent on earth after being ressurected. The earliest believers were basically stomped out by what is now known as the Catholic Church.
You mentioned 'repetition' in a prior post. Is like repeating a lie enough until it is accepted as truth?
Historians and archaeologists disagree.

The Bible passes with flying colors the internal, external and bibliographic tests for ancient texts. It is supported by 24,000+ different copies, the earliest of which was written a mere 25 years after the original. Consider that Cornelius Tacitus' Annals is considered an accurate account of the first century Roman Empire...when only 20 copies exist, the earliest of which was written 1,000 years after the original. Note also the works of Sophocles have 193 different copies for comparison -- and that reflects one of the highest numbers of copies you will see in regard to other ancient texts. Amazingly, the earliest of these was written 1,400 years after the original.

There is more historical and archaeological evidence to support the Bible than any other historical text, and it remains the #1 best-selling book of all time.

It's just hard for atheists to accept those facts.

"...it may be safely said that no other work of antiquity has been so accurately transmitted."

-- William Green,

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#1396 May 6, 2013
Dan wrote:
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No.
You are an attorney?
No, but she stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
There was a rumble in the hood.

Since: Apr 13

Columbus, OH

#1397 May 6, 2013
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Historians and archaeologists disagree.
The Bible passes with flying colors the internal, external and bibliographic tests for ancient texts. It is supported by 24,000+ different copies, the earliest of which was written a mere 25 years after the original. Consider that Cornelius Tacitus' Annals is considered an accurate account of the first century Roman Empire...when only 20 copies exist, the earliest of which was written 1,000 years after the original. Note also the works of Sophocles have 193 different copies for comparison -- and that reflects one of the highest numbers of copies you will see in regard to other ancient texts. Amazingly, the earliest of these was written 1,400 years after the original.
There is more historical and archaeological evidence to support the Bible than any other historical text, and it remains the #1 best-selling book of all time.
It's just hard for atheists to accept those facts.
"...it may be safely said that no other work of antiquity has been so accurately transmitted."
-- William Green,
There are just as many, if not more who disagree. It's like a poll, depending on who and what you ask, you can always make your side look right.

I pay the most attention to the red words and they seem to be in conflict with nearly all of the black ones.

Since: Apr 13

Columbus, OH

#1398 May 6, 2013
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No, but she stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
There was a rumble in the hood.
Whoever's judging you has no sense of humor. We can push and pull all night but that was damn funny.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#1399 May 7, 2013
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Ms. Hale has an attorney who has said essentially the same things.
My knowledge of the contract comes from the relevant portions that have been posted here by people who swear that the morality clause is clear (despite not saying so) that lesbians are not to enter into quasi-marital couplings, or they will be summarily fired. I have challenged those in the know (according to their own estimation) to bring forth the words which make this clear, but so far, none have been able to.
I absolutely get that many here believe that people who are gay are by their very nature sinful and to be avoided.
The question is how far, legally, a church-run school can go in denying such people employment based on that belief.
I can hire or fire at will any employee working for me.

It is my money being spent for the employment.

this is reality.

you don't like it, then don't apply.

Since: Apr 13

Columbus, OH

#1400 May 7, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
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I can hire or fire at will any employee working for me.
It is my money being spent for the employment.
this is reality.
you don't like it, then don't apply.
That is true, Ohio happens to be a work at will state.

However, if you fire someone without just cause, you're stuck with paying unemployment. I like that fact and I don't. When I had employees there were a couple that I took the time, trouble and aggravation to properly terminate.

If you really own a company, follow the laws and guidelines to a tee, it will come back to bite you if you don't.

Of course I have a sister who was a legal secretary for years and her former employers still give our family great service at a reasonable rate (as far as blood sucking scum can)

Further, I have a brother in-law who is an employment attorney and just the same, great advice came at a great rate.

He's still cut in as I cash out, it was the best deal I ever made.

Since: Apr 13

Columbus, OH

#1401 May 7, 2013
er...employment at will state. Sorry, misspoke.

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