Gay teacher fired by Catholic school claims discrimination

Apr 23, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: World Magazine

Carla Hale, 59, a lesbian P.E. teacher, has filed a grievance against the diocese of the Ohio Catholic school where she worked for 19 years until administrators fired her for "violating moral law." According to The Columbus Dispatch , Hale's sexual orientation became public when an obituary for her late mother published Hale's name along with the ... (more)

Comments
1,201 - 1,220 of 1,746 Comments Last updated Jun 4, 2013

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#1299
May 6, 2013
 

Judged:

7

7

7

-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Anyone with one brain cell functioning understands that the Church's ultimate authority is God's Word, and thus, "immorality and/or unethical behavior" would be defined in accordance with it. One does not voluntarily enter the employ of the Church and then feign ignorance of the Church's moral positions.
Well, I take that back.
Apparently, you, Ms. Hale and LGBTQIABCDEF World would.
Anyone with one brain cell functioning understands that Methodism's ultimate authority is God's Word, and thus "immorality and/or unethical behavior" would be defined in accordance with it.

Now, should there be a conflict between the two, would Ms. Hale be required to follow the Catholic, rather than Methodist understanding?

And if so, why would that not be specified in the contract?

And is this applied evenly across all employees? Or does it fall more heavily on those who are gay? Are people who are gay and in a relationship judged differently than those who are straight and in a non-marital relationship? Are those who use contraception also deemed to be unfit for employment? What about any others (the infertile or those beyond child-bearing years) who enter into marriage despite the inability to procreate within that marriage?

When you fall back onto the contract for legal protection there are a lot of questions to be answered.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#1300
May 6, 2013
 

Judged:

7

7

7

-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Ms. Hale was confronted regarding her immoral lifestyle.
Ms. Hale refused to repent.
Therefore, Ms. Hale was terminated per the terms of their mutual contract.
Choices have consequences.
If the contract contained illegal clauses, it is unenforceable.

Choices have consequences.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#1301
May 6, 2013
 

Judged:

7

7

7

-tip- wrote:
Luke 17:1-4
And he [Jesus] said to his disciples, "Temptations to sin are sure to come, but woe to the one through whom they come! It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin. Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him, and if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to you seven times, saying,'I repent,' you must forgive him."
I rebuke you, tip, for spreading a gospel of hatred.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#1302
May 6, 2013
 

Judged:

7

7

7

FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Anyone with one brain cell functioning understands that Methodism's ultimate authority is God's Word, and thus "immorality and/or unethical behavior" would be defined in accordance with it.
Now, should there be a conflict between the two, would Ms. Hale be required to follow the Catholic, rather than Methodist understanding?
And if so, why would that not be specified in the contract?
And is this applied evenly across all employees? Or does it fall more heavily on those who are gay? Are people who are gay and in a relationship judged differently than those who are straight and in a non-marital relationship? Are those who use contraception also deemed to be unfit for employment? What about any others (the infertile or those beyond child-bearing years) who enter into marriage despite the inability to procreate within that marriage?
When you fall back onto the contract for legal protection there are a lot of questions to be answered.
Ms. Hale contracted with the Roman Catholic Church, dumbarse.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#1303
May 6, 2013
 

Judged:

7

7

6

FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
If the contract contained illegal clauses, it is unenforceable.
Choices have consequences.
Be sure to inform all Columbus parochial school teachers that their contracts are null and void.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#1304
May 6, 2013
 

Judged:

7

7

7

FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
I rebuke you, tip, for spreading a gospel of hatred.
You have no authority to rebuke me.
Your words reveal that you are no "brother" of mine.
And the "gospel of hatred" to which you refer is articulated in the Holy Scriptures: homosexual behaviors are sinful.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#1306
May 6, 2013
 

Judged:

7

7

7

FKAdukechereader wrote:
<quoted text>
Where is the judgement icon for spamming while on the public dime?
Come on queenie do some work for God sakes OK
WOLF
Her Community Organizer Overlord informed her that she was performing community service on Topix.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#1307
May 6, 2013
 

Judged:

7

7

7

-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Ms. Hale contracted with the Roman Catholic Church, dumbarse.
Her contract did not require her to become a Roman Catholic, however. Nor, so far as I can see, did it require her to either teach or adhere to all of its teachings.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#1308
May 6, 2013
 

Judged:

7

7

7

FKAdukechereader wrote:
<quoted text>
Where is the judgement icon for spamming while on the public dime?
Come on queenie do some work for God sakes OK
WOLF
I can just see you, sitting in front of your screen at the public library.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#1310
May 6, 2013
 

Judged:

7

7

7

FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Her contract did not require her to become a Roman Catholic, however. Nor, so far as I can see, did it require her to either teach or adhere to all of its teachings.
The employment contract, into which she voluntarily entered, bound her to adhere to morality, as defined by the RCC.

Keep trying.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#1311
May 6, 2013
 

Judged:

7

7

7

FKAdukechereader wrote:
<quoted text>
You're mad huh
Are you saying that folks that are poor and don't have a computer supplied by the tax payers are some how not acceptable to you?
How bourgeoisie of you.
WOLF
The library computers are provided by tax-payers, silly.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#1312
May 6, 2013
 

Judged:

7

7

7

-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
The employment contract, into which she voluntarily entered, bound her to adhere to morality, as defined by the RCC.
Keep trying.
And yet that phrase, "as defined by the RCC" does not appear in the contract, does it?

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#1314
May 6, 2013
 

Judged:

7

7

7

FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet that phrase, "as defined by the RCC" does not appear in the contract, does it?
Again...are you stupid or somethin'?

The RCC is her employer; an employer sets the terms of employment.
Ms. Hale consented to the terms of employment as set out by the RCC when she signed the contract.

Keep diggin'.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#1315
May 6, 2013
 

Judged:

7

7

7

Uve wrote:
<quoted text>
dream on..Israel may have been on some biblical map but wasn't re established until the United nations re created it..How bout trying that self righteous judgment on yourself or better yet, go occupy that little mind of yours by counting the hairs on your ass until you have something intelligent to say. POS BTW I've yet to hear anything that you could possibly contribute to society..Psst bigotry is not a virtue moron.
did you reference your comic book collection for a geography lesson?

since you don't contribute to society, and run your mouth continually, when are you going to start paying your fair share?
Dan

Omaha, NE

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#1316
May 6, 2013
 

Judged:

8

6

6

FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Her contract did not require her to become a Roman Catholic, however. Nor, so far as I can see, did it require her to either teach or adhere to all of its teachings.
You really should offer to defend Hale in court-you alone seem very clear on what the contract does and doesn't say, infer and imply (while the rest of us aren't, per your estimation).



Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#1317
May 6, 2013
 

Judged:

7

7

6

FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Her contract did not require her to become a Roman Catholic, however. Nor, so far as I can see, did it require her to either teach or adhere to all of its teachings.
Stop lying, Reader:

Hale signed a morality clause as part of her contract, affirming that “Catholic school personnel are expected to be examples of moral behavior and professionalism,” and acknowledging her employment could be terminated for “immorality” or “serious unethical conduct.” Because the Roman Catholic Church holds homosexual behavior to be gravely immoral, the Diocese of Columbus found her to be in violation of her contract, and fired her.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/columbus-bis...

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#1318
May 6, 2013
 

Judged:

7

7

7

Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
You really should offer to defend Hale in court-you alone seem very clear on what the contract does and doesn't say, infer and imply (while the rest of us aren't, per your estimation).
You ought to see her on the George Zimmerman threads...you can see the spittle flying as she tells you how he should be executed for killing one of her pets.
Zoe

Circleville, OH

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#1319
May 6, 2013
 

Judged:

7

7

7

-Aldous Huxley- wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet,every word I posted was the irrefutable truth! Besides I happen to me an American citizen living and working in the UK,So I guess it is my business after all! At least as much as it is your business bigot boy so how about you STFU and mind your own business! The catholic church are a bunch of hypocritical fools who did in fact let the pedophile priests continue to molest innocent children to protect the "GOOD"(LOL) name of the church! And as I stated the former pope was in fact in charge of the office that was responsible for this fiasco and he should be prosecuted for his failure to act and report these sick priests to the authorities as he was dictated to do! I rest my truthful case! Don't like it,who cares!
Do you live in the district? Are you a Catholic? Like I said, it is none of your business! Worry about yourself. We have enough crazy liberals in Ohio, we don't want more! We want to send them to the UK!
Zoe

Circleville, OH

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#1320
May 6, 2013
 

Judged:

7

7

7

FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
If the contract contained illegal clauses, it is unenforceable.
Choices have consequences.
It didn't, she has been terminated and needs to move on. This goes for the rest of you liberal knuckleheads!

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#1321
May 6, 2013
 

Judged:

7

7

7

-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Again...are you stupid or somethin'?
The RCC is her employer; an employer sets the terms of employment.
Ms. Hale consented to the terms of employment as set out by the RCC when she signed the contract.
Keep diggin'.
I thought everyone was screaming that the contract was mutually agreed to.

You can agree with the RCC definition of morality all you want. That still does not mean that the contract protects the Diocese in this case. And there are two primary reasons. One is the lack of specificity with regard to the definition of "moral" behavior. The other is the possible conflict with the city ordinance.

Not really difficult to understand. It may not be what you want, but this is about legalities, not moralities.

Tell me when this thread is updated: (Registration is not required)

Add to my Tracker Send me an email

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

•••
•••
Columbus Dating

more search filters

less search filters

•••

Columbus Jobs

•••
Enter and win $5000
•••
•••

Columbus People Search

Addresses and phone numbers for FREE

•••

Columbus News, Events & Info

Click for news, events and info in Columbus
•••

Personal Finance

Mortgages [ See current mortgage rates ]
•••