Gay teacher fired by Catholic school claims discrimination

Apr 23, 2013 Full story: World Magazine 1,746

Carla Hale, 59, a lesbian P.E. teacher, has filed a grievance against the diocese of the Ohio Catholic school where she worked for 19 years until administrators fired her for "violating moral law." According to The Columbus Dispatch , Hale's sexual orientation became public when an obituary for her late mother published Hale's name along with the ... (more)

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Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#107 Apr 24, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Like I said, nothing but hate.
I'll take that as an admission of your plight.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#108 Apr 24, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Where in the U.S. or Ohio Constitution does it guarantee Churches special rights?
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt
The First Amendment is not a special right.

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#109 Apr 24, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>You aren't too bright, are you?
Insurers have been assessing the risks since they began offering riders on liability policies in the 1980s. Two of the largest insurers report no higher risks in covering Catholic churches than Protestant denominations.
Wisconsin-based Church Mutual Insurance Co. has 100,000 client churches and has seen a steady filing of about five sexual molestation cases a week for more than a decade, even though its client base has grown.
“It would be incorrect to call it a Catholic problem,” said Church Mutual’s risk control manager, Rick Schaber.“We do not see one denomination above another. It’s equal. It’s also equal among large metropolitan churches and small rural churches.”
Iowa-based Guide One Center for Risk Management, which insures more than 40,000 congregations, also said Catholic churches are not considered a greater risk or charged higher premiums.
“Our claims experience shows this happens evenly across denominations,” said spokeswoman Melanie Stonewall.
http://blogs.denverpost.com/hark/2010/05/25/s...
Public school districts carry the same insurance.
Wake up, then grow up.
It's posts like this one that remind me Topix really should have a sad icon to vote for. Because to me it's sad when people are so clueless.

You as well totally missed my point.

The fact that most churches buy insurance to protect their assets if they are convicted of harboring a child molester doesn't make the practice anymore palatable to me morally or ethically.

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#110 Apr 24, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>When American nuns commit voter fraud in presidential elections and support abortion, they need to be cracked down upon. Are you really that stupid?
You must love the smell of Fascism in the springtime!

"From 1988 to 1993, the American Academy of Arts and Sciences sponsored an interdisciplinary study known as The Fundamentalism Project, the largest such study ever done. More than 100 scholars from all over the world took part, reporting on every imaginable kind of fundamentalism. And what they discovered was that the agenda of all fundamentalist movements in the world is virtually identical, regardless of religion or culture.

They identified five characteristics shared by virtually all fundamentalisms.....fundamenta lists spurn the modern, and want to return to a nostalgic vision of a golden age that never really existed. Several of the scholars observed a strong and deep resemblance between fundamentalism and fascism. Both have almost identical agendas. Men are on top, women are subservient, there is one rigid set of rules, with police and military might to enforce them, and education is tightly controlled by the state. One scholar suggested that it's helpful to understand fundamentalism as religious fascism, and fascism as political fundamentalism. The phrase “overcoming the modern” is a fascist slogan dating back to at least 1941. "

The Fundamentalist Agenda By Davidson Loehr

http://www.uuworld.org/2004/01/feature2.html
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#111 Apr 24, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>I'll take that as an admission of your plight.
Of course you would. That's what people overcome by hate do.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#112 Apr 24, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>I never mentioned repenting.
My point of FORGIVENESS was of course lost on you.
BTW since Christ died for all our sins she has nothing to repent. None of us do.
You have my sympathy for you being a believer in Saulist heresy.
Luke 24:45-47

Then he [Jesus] opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, "Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem."

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#113 Apr 24, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>When American nuns commit voter fraud in presidential elections and support abortion, they need to be cracked down upon. Are you really that stupid?
What kind of "crackdown" do you suggest in the following case?

Protest turns violent after France legalizes gay marriage in divisive vote

France legalized gay marriage on Tuesday after a wrenching national debate that exposed deep conservatism in the nation's heartland and triggered huge demonstrations that tapped into intense discontent with the Socialist government. Within hours, fiery clashes broke out between protesters and riot police.

Legions of officers stayed late into the night, and a protest against the measure turned violent near the Invalides complex of museums and monuments. Protesters threw glass bottles, cans and metal bars at police, who responded with tear gas.

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/life/Water+cannon...

or is VIOLENCE by anti-gays OK in your playbook of special rights?

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#114 Apr 24, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>The First Amendment is not a special right.
My point exactly. Yet here we have you, a florist in WA, and the R.C.C. in Columbus all trying to use it as a special exemption to obeying civil law.
Folks like you love slippery slopes (I don't) but try this one on for size.
Your religion says you can fire someone even if the law protects them from religious discrimination. Basically you're saying you can re-define what religious discrimination stands for and use that as a legal defense to practice religious discrimination.
What's to stop someone claiming that their religion involves human sacrifice, so murder laws don't apply to them?
you love citing slippery slopes (I don't)

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#115 Apr 24, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>It's posts like this one that remind me Topix really should have a sad icon to vote for. Because to me it's sad when people are so clueless.
You as well totally missed my point.
The fact that most churches buy insurance to protect their assets if they are convicted of harboring a child molester doesn't make the practice anymore palatable to me morally or ethically.
And public school districts? Daycare centers?
As I said, you're not too bright.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#116 Apr 24, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>My point exactly. Yet here we have you, a florist in WA, and the R.C.C. in Columbus all trying to use it as a special exemption to obeying civil law.
Folks like you love slippery slopes (I don't) but try this one on for size.
Your religion says you can fire someone even if the law protects them from religious discrimination. Basically you're saying you can re-define what religious discrimination stands for and use that as a legal defense to practice religious discrimination.
What's to stop someone claiming that their religion involves human sacrifice, so murder laws don't apply to them?
you love citing slippery slopes (I don't)
The Shark. You jumped it in your last paragraph.

This school is a religious institution, not simply a commercial enterprise owned and operated by Catholics.

If this issue involved a Muslim school, you'd tuck your balls into your crack and never say ONE single word.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#117 Apr 24, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>What kind of "crackdown" do you suggest in the following case?
Protest turns violent after France legalizes gay marriage in divisive vote
France legalized gay marriage on Tuesday after a wrenching national debate that exposed deep conservatism in the nation's heartland and triggered huge demonstrations that tapped into intense discontent with the Socialist government. Within hours, fiery clashes broke out between protesters and riot police.
Legions of officers stayed late into the night, and a protest against the measure turned violent near the Invalides complex of museums and monuments. Protesters threw glass bottles, cans and metal bars at police, who responded with tear gas.
Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/life/Water+cannon...
or is VIOLENCE by anti-gays OK in your playbook of special rights?
France has plunged itself into moral chaos by destroying its societal foundations. Violence is often the result, though it is not acceptable. In fact:

"We want a peaceful demonstration and we reject all groups that directly target homosexual people," said Frigide Barjot, spokeswoman for the group that spearheads the anti-bill movement.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#118 Apr 24, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>What kind of "crackdown" do you suggest in the following case?
Protest turns violent after France legalizes gay marriage in divisive vote
France legalized gay marriage on Tuesday after a wrenching national debate that exposed deep conservatism in the nation's heartland and triggered huge demonstrations that tapped into intense discontent with the Socialist government. Within hours, fiery clashes broke out between protesters and riot police.
Legions of officers stayed late into the night, and a protest against the measure turned violent near the Invalides complex of museums and monuments. Protesters threw glass bottles, cans and metal bars at police, who responded with tear gas.
Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/life/Water+cannon...
or is VIOLENCE by anti-gays OK in your playbook of special rights?
You don't know me as the Columbus forum does. If you expect me to defend the French...for anything...you've come to the wrong guy.
The last time the French were worthy of praise was 732 at the Battle of Tours.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#119 Apr 24, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>"Marriage" will NEVER change.
Not according to Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa, Vermont, New Hampshire, New York, Maine, Maryland, Washington, and the District of Columbia... so far...

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#120 Apr 24, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Not according to Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa, Vermont, New Hampshire, New York, Maine, Maryland, Washington, and the District of Columbia... so far...
I, and millions of others call abortion murder after 40 years of it being legal. My kids do too, despite the fact that they've never lived in a land where it was rightly illegal and called what it is.
The same applies to "marriage." I can accept civil unions and all the rights they entail. But I will never accept the idea of gay "marriage." Ever.
And there are more than 20 states that will never accept it, either.
Just one more step on the road to open conflict in this country.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#121 Apr 24, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>I, and millions of others call abortion murder after 40 years of it being legal. My kids do too, despite the fact that they've never lived in a land where it was rightly illegal and called what it is.
The same applies to "marriage." I can accept civil unions and all the rights they entail. But I will never accept the idea of gay "marriage." Ever.
And there are more than 20 states that will never accept it, either.
Just one more step on the road to open conflict in this country.
If you are truly a religious man, why do you care how the government defines marriage?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#122 Apr 24, 2013
Pot Pourri wrote:
<quoted text>
Sodomy is not sex.
Sex is an act of reproduction.
So-called oral sex and anal sex are oxymorons.
The only thing a queer gives birth to via sodomy is multi-drug resistant disease.
That ain't sweet.
There is NO causal relationship between ANY erotic activity and the development of drug-resistant disease.

Get your science correct.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#123 Apr 24, 2013
Pot Pourri wrote:
<quoted text>
You are delusional if you believe there is no such thing as predatory lesbianism....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-23135...
Media mavens typically re-label predatory lesbian behavior as child molestation or pedophilia, the same re-labeling they use to hide male queer sodomy of boys.
The lesbian-favored practice of elective abortion is legalized nationwide because of the corruption that is inherent to the victim cult. LGBTQ are one of the leaders of the national victim cult. LGBTQ used shyster lawyer methods to get sodomy, elective abortion, pornography, hate speech prosecution, AIDS hysteria, and soon-to-be gay marriage license protected as civil rights by the fedgov. Simulataneously, LGBTQ shysters invalidated local and state laws that proscribed typical queer behaviors.
Social Scientists, Legislators, District Attorneys and Grand Juries define those terms, not the "media mavens" and DEFINITELY NOT the UK's "Daily Mail".

Get your facts correct.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#124 Apr 24, 2013
Pot Pourri wrote:
<quoted text>
Closet queers are a bitch, literally.
In fact, many neoconservative warmongers are closet queers.
It's not a coincidence that most of the sodomy perpetrated by closeted priests occurred in the northeast US states. The northeast US state populace is more tolerant of typical LGBTQ behaviors than other regions. Tolerance of typical LGBTQ behaviors is a license for disaster.
If they're closeted, how would you know the attitudes of even one, much less that of "many".

Inuendo are not debating points, but CALUMNY.

http://catholicism.about.com/od/Catholic-Dict...

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#125 Apr 24, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are truly a religious man, why do you care how the government defines marriage?
Because next, they'll be defining my religion among other things.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#126 Apr 24, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>Because next, they'll be defining my religion among other things.
Just keep your religion out of politics and you're good.

woof

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